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alexis conran on times radio

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now if you'd like to know what's in the

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sunday papers but you just don't have

sunday papers but you just don't have the<00:00:09.840> time<00:00:10.080> to<00:00:10.400> wade<00:00:10.800> through<00:00:11.040> them<00:00:11.280> then<00:00:11.599> we

the time to wade through them then we

the time to wade through them then we are<00:00:12.240> here<00:00:12.719> for<00:00:12.960> yout<00:00:13.599> worry<00:00:14.000> not<00:00:14.480> over<00:00:14.639> the

are here for yout worry not over the

are here for yout worry not over the next<00:00:14.960> 45<00:00:15.440> minutes<00:00:15.759> or<00:00:15.839> so<00:00:16.000> we'll<00:00:16.240> be<00:00:16.480> mining

next 45 minutes or so we'll be mining

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the sunday papers for the important

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stuff the funny stuff and the you could

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make it up stuff here to help me is my

make it up stuff here to help me is my expert<00:00:22.960> panel<00:00:23.439> kirsty<00:00:23.840> buchanan<00:00:24.240> former

expert panel kirsty buchanan former

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political editor at the sunday express

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and special advisor at 10 downing street

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now campaign director at mainstream uk

now campaign director at mainstream uk kirsty<00:00:31.599> good<00:00:31.840> afternoon

kirsty good afternoon

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good afternoon to you lovely to have you

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back and joining us as well is gary

back and joining us as well is gary stevenson<00:00:37.280> economist<00:00:37.920> and<00:00:38.079> former<00:00:38.399> cities

stevenson economist and former cities

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trader uh good afternoon gary

trader uh good afternoon gary afternoon<00:00:41.760> alexis<00:00:42.399> now<00:00:42.559> look<00:00:42.800> before<00:00:43.040> we<00:00:43.120> kick

afternoon alexis now look before we kick

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off i'm gonna ask you the same question

off i'm gonna ask you the same question i've<00:00:44.800> been<00:00:44.960> asking<00:00:45.280> the<00:00:45.440> listeners<00:00:45.920> your

i've been asking the listeners your

i've been asking the listeners your favorite<00:00:47.120> christmas<00:00:47.600> songs<00:00:48.000> your<00:00:48.320> personal

favorite christmas songs your personal

favorite christmas songs your personal number<00:00:49.200> ones<00:00:49.680> kirsty<00:00:50.320> which<00:00:50.559> song<00:00:50.800> are<00:00:50.879> you

number ones kirsty which song are you

number ones kirsty which song are you gonna<00:00:51.120> go<00:00:51.360> for<00:00:51.680> it<00:00:51.760> doesn't<00:00:52.000> have<00:00:52.079> to<00:00:52.160> be<00:00:52.320> a

gonna go for it doesn't have to be a

gonna go for it doesn't have to be a christmas<00:00:52.719> song<00:00:52.960> by<00:00:53.120> the<00:00:53.199> way

christmas song by the way

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yeah i'm a bit bar humbug when it comes

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to christmas experience videos so i

to christmas experience videos so i don't<00:00:58.000> tend<00:00:58.239> to<00:00:58.399> like<00:00:58.879> most<00:00:59.199> of<00:00:59.280> them<00:00:59.440> i'd

don't tend to like most of them i'd

don't tend to like most of them i'd probably<00:01:00.000> have<00:01:00.160> to<00:01:00.320> go<00:01:00.640> with

probably have to go with

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fairy tale for me york probably the

fairy tale for me york probably the pogue

pogue

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oh nice we like hugely christmassy but

oh nice we like hugely christmassy but well

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no it's but it is a christmassy song i

no it's but it is a christmassy song i would<00:01:10.159> say<00:01:10.320> but<00:01:10.400> yes<00:01:10.640> it's<00:01:10.799> not<00:01:11.040> your<00:01:11.360> sort<00:01:11.600> of

would say but yes it's not your sort of

would say but yes it's not your sort of jingle<00:01:12.240> bellsy<00:01:12.720> in<00:01:12.880> the<00:01:12.960> background

jingle bellsy in the background

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christmas song and singing about snow

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but we can't like the pokes for

but we can't like the pokes for christmas<00:01:17.840> uh<00:01:18.080> gary

christmas uh gary

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uh i think the one that most reminds me

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of my childhood has got to be that mr

of my childhood has got to be that mr blobby<00:01:23.439> one<00:01:23.680> isn't<00:01:23.840> it<00:01:23.920> i<00:01:24.000> think<00:01:24.080> the<00:01:24.240> title<00:01:24.560> is

blobby one isn't it i think the title is

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probably um mr blobby i was about seven

probably um mr blobby i was about seven yeah<00:01:27.200> i<00:01:27.280> loved<00:01:27.439> it<00:01:27.520> at<00:01:27.600> the<00:01:27.680> time<00:01:28.000> uh<00:01:28.240> i<00:01:28.400> have<00:01:28.560> to

yeah i loved it at the time uh i have to

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say i've i've been saying to the

say i've i've been saying to the production<00:01:30.159> teams<00:01:30.400> like<00:01:30.560> oh<00:01:30.720> let's<00:01:30.960> let's

production teams like oh let's let's

production teams like oh let's let's pick<00:01:31.600> uh<00:01:32.000> people's<00:01:32.320> favorites<00:01:32.799> and<00:01:32.880> try<00:01:33.040> and

pick uh people's favorites and try and

pick uh people's favorites and try and try<00:01:33.520> and<00:01:33.600> play<00:01:33.840> them<00:01:34.000> later<00:01:34.320> on<00:01:34.479> i<00:01:34.640> guarantee

try and play them later on i guarantee

try and play them later on i guarantee you<00:01:35.200> gary<00:01:35.520> we're<00:01:35.680> not<00:01:35.840> going<00:01:35.920> to<00:01:36.000> be<00:01:36.079> hearing

you gary we're not going to be hearing

you gary we're not going to be hearing mr<00:01:36.640> blobby<00:01:37.040> later<00:01:37.360> on

mr blobby later on

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a bit of a shame uh now look uh let's

a bit of a shame uh now look uh let's kick<00:01:41.840> off<00:01:42.000> by<00:01:42.320> having<00:01:42.560> a<00:01:42.720> look<00:01:42.960> at<00:01:43.119> what's<00:01:43.680> in

kick off by having a look at what's in

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the papers let's look at the front

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uh uh the the pages uh kirsty why don't

uh uh the the pages uh kirsty why don't you<00:01:50.320> kick<00:01:50.479> us<00:01:50.640> off<00:01:50.960> what<00:01:51.119> are<00:01:51.200> the<00:01:51.280> sunday

you kick us off what are the sunday

you kick us off what are the sunday times<00:01:51.840> leading<00:01:52.079> with

times leading with

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yeah so the sunday times has got a data

yeah so the sunday times has got a data story<00:01:56.240> that<00:01:56.479> that<00:01:56.719> is<00:01:56.880> a<00:01:57.119> warning<00:01:57.520> about<00:01:57.920> the

story that that is a warning about the

story that that is a warning about the impact<00:01:58.640> on<00:01:58.719> the<00:01:58.799> nhs<00:01:59.439> of<00:01:59.600> unvaccinated

impact on the nhs of unvaccinated

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covid patients so

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90 of covert patients that require the

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most specialist care within the nhs are

most specialist care within the nhs are unvaccinated

unvaccinated

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and between 20 and 30 of critical care

and between 20 and 30 of critical care beds<00:02:13.920> in<00:02:14.080> england<00:02:14.480> are<00:02:14.640> occupied<00:02:15.120> by

beds in england are occupied by

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covid patients of which three quarters

covid patients of which three quarters of<00:02:17.840> those<00:02:18.160> are

of those are

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not vaccinated now

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when you think we've got 5.8 million

when you think we've got 5.8 million people<00:02:23.280> on<00:02:23.440> the<00:02:23.680> waiting<00:02:24.080> list<00:02:24.480> for<00:02:24.800> nhs<00:02:25.440> care

people on the waiting list for nhs care

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some with quite life-limiting

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conditions you can see why the impact of

conditions you can see why the impact of that<00:02:30.879> is<00:02:31.040> causing<00:02:31.920> a<00:02:32.080> great<00:02:32.400> amount<00:02:32.640> of<00:02:32.879> anger

that is causing a great amount of anger

that is causing a great amount of anger and<00:02:33.360> upset<00:02:34.239> for<00:02:34.879> nhs<00:02:35.360> doctors<00:02:35.680> and<00:02:35.840> nurses

and upset for nhs doctors and nurses

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we'll we'll um we'll discuss that story

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in a little bit of depth in the moment

in a little bit of depth in the moment uh<00:02:40.400> let's<00:02:40.640> have<00:02:40.800> a<00:02:40.879> look<00:02:41.040> at<00:02:41.200> some<00:02:41.360> of<00:02:41.440> the

uh let's have a look at some of the

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other headlines the sunday telegraph

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gary what are they leading with

gary what are they leading with sunday<00:02:45.440> telegraph<00:02:46.000> is<00:02:46.080> leading<00:02:46.400> with<00:02:46.720> covered

sunday telegraph is leading with covered

sunday telegraph is leading with covered pill<00:02:47.519> to<00:02:47.599> be<00:02:47.760> rolled<00:02:48.080> out<00:02:48.160> before<00:02:48.560> christmas

pill to be rolled out before christmas

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so there's a new drug it's called

so there's a new drug it's called legerio<00:02:51.840> or<00:02:52.080> malnu<00:02:52.640> pirovi<00:02:53.120> so<00:02:53.280> we'll<00:02:53.360> jot

legerio or malnu pirovi so we'll jot

legerio or malnu pirovi so we'll jot that<00:02:53.680> down

that down

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sanji javid is described as a game

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changer uh it's not performed so well in

changer uh it's not performed so well in clinical<00:02:59.280> trials<00:02:59.920> but<00:03:00.319> it's<00:03:00.480> been<00:03:00.720> passed

clinical trials but it's been passed

clinical trials but it's been passed they're<00:03:01.280> going<00:03:01.360> to<00:03:01.440> roll<00:03:01.680> out<00:03:01.760> for<00:03:01.920> christmas

they're going to roll out for christmas

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it's not going to stop omicron but

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hopefully it might reduce the number of

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deaths that you're seeing from kobe okay

deaths that you're seeing from kobe okay kirsten<00:03:08.800> take<00:03:09.040> us<00:03:09.120> to<00:03:09.280> the<00:03:09.440> observer<00:03:09.840> what<00:03:10.000> are

kirsten take us to the observer what are

kirsten take us to the observer what are they<00:03:10.239> leading<00:03:10.480> with

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kirsty are you with us

kirsty are you with us no<00:03:17.280> we'll<00:03:17.440> try<00:03:17.599> and<00:03:17.680> get<00:03:17.840> kirsty<00:03:18.239> back<00:03:18.480> i<00:03:18.560> can

no we'll try and get kirsty back i can

no we'll try and get kirsty back i can tell<00:03:18.879> you<00:03:18.959> the<00:03:19.120> observer<00:03:19.599> has<00:03:19.760> been<00:03:20.000> leading

tell you the observer has been leading

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with johnson faces trust crisis uh

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sleaze shatters faith in mps uh not good

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news for mps it turns out quite a lot of

news for mps it turns out quite a lot of people<00:03:29.599> uh<00:03:30.080> their<00:03:30.319> trust<00:03:30.799> in<00:03:31.040> mps<00:03:31.519> and<00:03:31.680> all

people uh their trust in mps and all

people uh their trust in mps and all politicians<00:03:32.640> no<00:03:32.799> matter<00:03:33.040> whether<00:03:33.280> they're

politicians no matter whether they're

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conservative liberal democrats labour

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mps are enjoying the worst

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trust numbers we've seen in a long time

trust numbers we've seen in a long time we're<00:03:42.640> going<00:03:42.799> to<00:03:42.879> try<00:03:43.040> and<00:03:43.120> get<00:03:43.360> kirsty<00:03:44.159> back

we're going to try and get kirsty back

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when we can uh gary i hope you're still

when we can uh gary i hope you're still with<00:03:46.560> us<00:03:46.720> uh<00:03:46.879> let's<00:03:47.040> look<00:03:47.200> at<00:03:47.280> the<00:03:47.440> sun<00:03:47.680> on

with us uh let's look at the sun on

with us uh let's look at the sun on sunday<00:03:48.159> what<00:03:48.319> are<00:03:48.400> they<00:03:48.560> leading<00:03:48.879> with<00:03:49.440> yeah

sunday what are they leading with yeah

sunday what are they leading with yeah the<00:03:49.840> sun<00:03:50.080> on<00:03:50.159> sundays<00:03:50.720> uh<00:03:50.959> leading<00:03:51.280> with<00:03:51.440> the

the sun on sundays uh leading with the

the sun on sundays uh leading with the very<00:03:51.680> important<00:03:52.080> story<00:03:52.560> tv<00:03:53.040> celeb<00:03:53.439> danny's

very important story tv celeb danny's

very important story tv celeb danny's divorce<00:03:54.400> rall<00:03:54.720> so<00:03:54.959> uh<00:03:55.120> danny<00:03:55.439> miller<00:03:55.760> who<00:03:55.920> i'm

divorce rall so uh danny miller who i'm

divorce rall so uh danny miller who i'm reliably<00:03:56.480> informed<00:03:56.879> is<00:03:56.959> an<00:03:57.040> emmerdale<00:03:57.519> actor

reliably informed is an emmerdale actor

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and he's on i'm a celebrity is engaged

and he's on i'm a celebrity is engaged to<00:04:00.959> a<00:04:01.040> woman<00:04:01.360> who<00:04:01.599> is<00:04:02.159> already<00:04:02.560> married<00:04:02.959> but

to a woman who is already married but

to a woman who is already married but separated<00:04:04.080> many<00:04:04.319> years<00:04:04.560> ago<00:04:05.200> everybody's

separated many years ago everybody's

separated many years ago everybody's moved<00:04:06.000> on<00:04:06.319> found<00:04:06.560> new<00:04:06.799> partners<00:04:07.280> is<00:04:07.439> very

moved on found new partners is very

moved on found new partners is very happy<00:04:08.000> hopefully<00:04:08.560> the<00:04:08.720> fun<00:04:08.959> will<00:04:09.040> move<00:04:09.280> on

happy hopefully the fun will move on

happy hopefully the fun will move on soon<00:04:09.599> as<00:04:09.760> well<00:04:10.159> very<00:04:10.400> well<00:04:10.640> handled<00:04:11.120> gary<00:04:11.519> very

soon as well very well handled gary very

soon as well very well handled gary very well<00:04:11.920> handled<00:04:12.400> uh<00:04:12.959> now<00:04:13.200> the<00:04:13.360> mail<00:04:13.680> on<00:04:13.840> sunday

well handled uh now the mail on sunday

well handled uh now the mail on sunday uh<00:04:14.720> it's<00:04:14.879> a<00:04:14.959> story<00:04:15.200> we're<00:04:15.360> going<00:04:15.439> to<00:04:15.519> talk

uh it's a story we're going to talk

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about in a minute it talks about uh

about in a minute it talks about uh prince<00:04:18.479> william's<00:04:19.120> mental<00:04:19.600> health<00:04:20.160> crisis

prince william's mental health crisis

prince william's mental health crisis we're<00:04:20.720> going<00:04:20.799> to<00:04:20.880> get<00:04:21.120> into<00:04:21.359> that<00:04:21.840> a<00:04:21.919> little

we're going to get into that a little

we're going to get into that a little bit<00:04:22.400> later<00:04:22.800> gary<00:04:23.120> the<00:04:23.199> sunday<00:04:23.600> mirror<00:04:23.840> what

bit later gary the sunday mirror what

bit later gary the sunday mirror what are<00:04:24.080> they<00:04:24.160> leading<00:04:24.479> with

are they leading with

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so the sunday mirror is even with um our

so the sunday mirror is even with um our loved<00:04:27.919> ones<00:04:28.160> died<00:04:28.560> while<00:04:28.800> number<00:04:29.040> 10<00:04:29.280> parties

loved ones died while number 10 parties

loved ones died while number 10 parties and<00:04:29.759> i<00:04:29.840> think<00:04:30.000> everybody<00:04:30.320> will<00:04:30.400> have<00:04:30.479> heard

and i think everybody will have heard

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about this story so last december while

about this story so last december while london<00:04:32.800> was<00:04:33.040> in<00:04:33.120> tier<00:04:33.280> 3<00:04:33.520> restrictions<00:04:34.080> and

london was in tier 3 restrictions and

london was in tier 3 restrictions and many<00:04:34.479> people's<00:04:34.880> parents<00:04:35.360> and<00:04:35.520> grandparents

many people's parents and grandparents

many people's parents and grandparents were<00:04:36.240> very<00:04:36.479> sadly<00:04:36.960> dying<00:04:37.199> in<00:04:37.360> hospital<00:04:37.840> alone

were very sadly dying in hospital alone

were very sadly dying in hospital alone because<00:04:38.560> you<00:04:38.639> won't<00:04:38.800> have<00:04:38.880> to<00:04:38.960> go<00:04:39.199> see<00:04:39.360> them

because you won't have to go see them

because you won't have to go see them apparently<00:04:40.320> number<00:04:40.560> 10<00:04:40.720> was<00:04:40.800> holding<00:04:41.120> parties

apparently number 10 was holding parties

apparently number 10 was holding parties for<00:04:41.759> 40<00:04:42.080> to<00:04:42.240> 50<00:04:42.560> people

for 40 to 50 people

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uh yeah lots of sad stories there about

uh yeah lots of sad stories there about people<00:04:45.120> who<00:04:45.199> couldn't<00:04:45.440> see<00:04:45.600> their<00:04:46.160> their

people who couldn't see their their

people who couldn't see their their parents<00:04:46.800> their<00:04:46.960> grandparents<00:04:47.680> um

parents their grandparents um

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and yes massive parties for boris at

and yes massive parties for boris at that<00:04:50.880> same<00:04:51.120> time<00:04:51.759> yeah<00:04:52.400> today<00:04:52.800> uh<00:04:52.960> dominic<00:04:53.360> rob

that same time yeah today uh dominic rob

that same time yeah today uh dominic rob when<00:04:53.680> he<00:04:53.759> was<00:04:53.919> doing<00:04:54.160> doing<00:04:54.400> the<00:04:54.560> media<00:04:54.880> rounds

when he was doing doing the media rounds

when he was doing doing the media rounds he<00:04:55.280> said<00:04:55.440> the<00:04:55.680> the<00:04:55.840> metropolitan<00:04:56.400> police<00:04:56.720> are

he said the the metropolitan police are

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not used to looking at incidents that

not used to looking at incidents that happened<00:04:59.360> over<00:04:59.680> a<00:04:59.759> year<00:05:00.000> ago<00:05:00.639> and<00:05:00.800> that<00:05:01.039> seems

happened over a year ago and that seems

happened over a year ago and that seems the<00:05:01.680> government<00:05:02.160> line<00:05:02.639> that<00:05:02.800> has<00:05:02.960> been<00:05:03.120> taken

the government line that has been taken

the government line that has been taken that<00:05:03.680> no<00:05:03.919> rules<00:05:04.160> were<00:05:04.320> broken<00:05:04.960> and<00:05:05.440> uh<00:05:05.919> what

that no rules were broken and uh what

that no rules were broken and uh what happened<00:05:06.400> a<00:05:06.479> year<00:05:06.639> ago<00:05:06.960> even<00:05:07.199> if<00:05:07.280> it<00:05:07.360> was<00:05:07.600> rule

happened a year ago even if it was rule

happened a year ago even if it was rule blake<00:05:08.160> it<00:05:08.320> breaking<00:05:08.960> is<00:05:09.039> not<00:05:09.199> something<00:05:09.520> the

blake it breaking is not something the

blake it breaking is not something the police<00:05:09.919> would<00:05:10.080> be<00:05:10.240> interested<00:05:10.639> in<00:05:10.800> looking

police would be interested in looking

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into i think the public might have a

into i think the public might have a different<00:05:13.120> opinion<00:05:13.520> to<00:05:13.680> that<00:05:13.840> yeah<00:05:14.320> let's<00:05:14.560> see

different opinion to that yeah let's see

different opinion to that yeah let's see how<00:05:15.120> that<00:05:15.440> is<00:05:15.600> going<00:05:15.680> to<00:05:15.759> progress<00:05:16.080> i<00:05:16.160> believe

how that is going to progress i believe

how that is going to progress i believe kirsty's<00:05:16.960> back<00:05:17.199> and<00:05:17.680> she's<00:05:18.000> ready<00:05:18.240> to<00:05:18.320> take<00:05:18.479> us

kirsty's back and she's ready to take us

kirsty's back and she's ready to take us up<00:05:18.880> back<00:05:19.039> to<00:05:19.199> her<00:05:19.440> old<00:05:19.759> stomping<00:05:20.160> ground<00:05:20.400> the

up back to her old stomping ground the

up back to her old stomping ground the sunday<00:05:20.960> express<00:05:21.680> uh<00:05:22.000> kirsty<00:05:22.320> what<00:05:22.479> are<00:05:22.560> they

sunday express uh kirsty what are they

sunday express uh kirsty what are they leading<00:05:23.039> with

leading with

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um yeah this is a um

um yeah this is a um quite<00:05:28.000> a<00:05:28.080> sweet<00:05:28.400> story<00:05:28.720> a<00:05:29.199> couple<00:05:29.440> of<00:05:29.680> papers

quite a sweet story a couple of papers

quite a sweet story a couple of papers have<00:05:30.720> splashed<00:05:31.120> on<00:05:31.360> different<00:05:31.680> elements

have splashed on different elements

have splashed on different elements of<00:05:33.440> uh<00:05:33.840> this<00:05:34.160> prince<00:05:34.479> william<00:05:35.039> podcast

of uh this prince william podcast

of uh this prince william podcast and<00:05:37.120> this<00:05:37.360> is<00:05:37.520> about

and this is about

and this is about his<00:05:38.800> memories<00:05:39.440> of<00:05:40.160> uh

his memories of uh

his memories of uh of<00:05:41.360> his<00:05:41.600> mother<00:05:42.080> and<00:05:42.240> how<00:05:42.479> they<00:05:42.639> used<00:05:42.880> to<00:05:43.120> sing

of his mother and how they used to sing

of his mother and how they used to sing to<00:05:44.160> calm<00:05:44.479> his<00:05:44.639> nerves<00:05:44.960> on<00:05:45.120> the<00:05:45.199> way<00:05:45.360> back<00:05:45.759> to<00:05:46.240> uh

to calm his nerves on the way back to uh

to calm his nerves on the way back to uh boarding<00:05:47.039> school<00:05:47.600> yeah<00:05:47.840> i<00:05:47.919> thought<00:05:48.080> it<00:05:48.160> was<00:05:48.320> a

boarding school yeah i thought it was a

boarding school yeah i thought it was a very<00:05:48.639> sweet<00:05:48.960> story<00:05:49.360> that<00:05:49.520> saying<00:05:49.759> tina's<00:05:50.160> turn

very sweet story that saying tina's turn

very sweet story that saying tina's turn is<00:05:50.800> simply<00:05:51.199> the<00:05:51.360> best<00:05:51.759> when<00:05:52.000> uh<00:05:52.320> he<00:05:52.639> and<00:05:53.039> prince

is simply the best when uh he and prince

is simply the best when uh he and prince harry<00:05:53.680> were<00:05:53.919> being<00:05:54.160> sent<00:05:54.400> back<00:05:54.639> to<00:05:54.800> boarding

harry were being sent back to boarding

harry were being sent back to boarding school<00:05:55.360> which<00:05:55.680> can<00:05:55.840> be<00:05:56.000> quite<00:05:56.240> traumatic<00:05:56.880> for

school which can be quite traumatic for

school which can be quite traumatic for kids<00:05:57.280> when<00:05:57.440> they're<00:05:57.600> leaving<00:05:57.919> their<00:05:58.160> family

kids when they're leaving their family

kids when they're leaving their family to<00:05:58.639> go<00:05:58.880> back<00:05:59.199> to<00:05:59.759> uh<00:06:00.000> boarding<00:06:00.319> school<00:06:00.720> uh<00:06:01.039> gary

to go back to uh boarding school uh gary

to go back to uh boarding school uh gary uh<00:06:01.520> the<00:06:01.680> independent<00:06:02.240> online<00:06:02.560> the<00:06:02.639> good<00:06:02.960> uh

uh the independent online the good uh

uh the independent online the good uh they've<00:06:03.919> they're<00:06:04.080> the<00:06:04.240> only<00:06:04.400> ones<00:06:04.639> who

they've they're the only ones who

they've they're the only ones who dealing<00:06:05.039> with<00:06:05.199> a<00:06:05.280> completely<00:06:05.680> different

dealing with a completely different

dealing with a completely different story<00:06:06.319> to<00:06:06.479> the<00:06:06.560> rest<00:06:06.880> of<00:06:06.880> the<00:06:06.960> papers<00:06:07.280> what

story to the rest of the papers what

story to the rest of the papers what have<00:06:07.600> they<00:06:07.680> gone<00:06:07.919> for

have they gone for

have they gone for yeah<00:06:08.880> but<00:06:08.960> i<00:06:09.039> think<00:06:09.199> it's<00:06:09.280> an<00:06:09.440> important<00:06:09.759> story

yeah but i think it's an important story

yeah but i think it's an important story uh<00:06:10.319> it's<00:06:10.560> top<00:06:10.800> tories<00:06:11.280> tell<00:06:11.520> patel<00:06:11.919> to

uh it's top tories tell patel to

uh it's top tories tell patel to overhaul<00:06:12.479> the<00:06:12.639> asylum<00:06:13.039> system<00:06:13.600> so<00:06:13.759> you<00:06:13.759> know

overhaul the asylum system so you know

overhaul the asylum system so you know everybody<00:06:14.319> would<00:06:14.479> have<00:06:14.560> seen<00:06:14.960> these<00:06:15.120> terrible

everybody would have seen these terrible

everybody would have seen these terrible stories<00:06:15.919> of<00:06:16.080> many<00:06:16.400> people<00:06:16.639> dying<00:06:17.039> trying<00:06:17.280> to

stories of many people dying trying to

stories of many people dying trying to cross<00:06:17.520> the<00:06:17.680> channel

cross the channel

cross the channel apparently

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some people want to allow asylum seekers

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to seek refuge at any embassy all over

to seek refuge at any embassy all over the<00:06:24.080> world<00:06:24.560> which<00:06:24.720> basically<00:06:25.120> means<00:06:25.360> you

the world which basically means you

the world which basically means you don't<00:06:25.919> have<00:06:26.080> to<00:06:26.160> make<00:06:26.400> that<00:06:26.560> channel<00:06:26.800> crossing

don't have to make that channel crossing

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in order to apply for asylum in the uk

in order to apply for asylum in the uk and<00:06:29.840> um

and um

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you know we'd love to see the details we

you know we'd love to see the details we can<00:06:32.479> talk<00:06:32.639> about<00:06:32.880> it<00:06:32.960> a<00:06:32.960> bit<00:06:33.120> more<00:06:33.280> but<00:06:33.600> it

can talk about it a bit more but it

can talk about it a bit more but it sounds<00:06:34.080> like<00:06:34.319> potentially<00:06:35.199> a<00:06:35.360> way<00:06:35.520> to<00:06:35.680> prevent

sounds like potentially a way to prevent

sounds like potentially a way to prevent these<00:06:36.240> these<00:06:36.560> terrible<00:06:37.360> deaths<00:06:37.600> from

these these terrible deaths from

these these terrible deaths from happening<00:06:38.080> which<00:06:38.240> you<00:06:38.319> know<00:06:38.479> we<00:06:38.560> need<00:06:38.720> to<00:06:38.800> stop

happening which you know we need to stop

happening which you know we need to stop if<00:06:39.120> we<00:06:39.199> can<00:06:39.919> we're<00:06:40.000> going<00:06:40.080> to<00:06:40.160> get<00:06:40.400> stuck<00:06:40.639> into

if we can we're going to get stuck into

if we can we're going to get stuck into that<00:06:41.039> story<00:06:41.360> a<00:06:41.360> little<00:06:41.520> bit<00:06:41.759> later<00:06:42.319> uh<00:06:42.880> kirsty

that story a little bit later uh kirsty

that story a little bit later uh kirsty the<00:06:43.440> sunday<00:06:43.840> people

the sunday people

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sunday people yes now this is um again a

sunday people yes now this is um again a very<00:06:49.120> important<00:06:49.520> story<00:06:49.840> so<00:06:50.080> paula<00:06:50.400> hudson<00:06:50.960> who

very important story so paula hudson who

very important story so paula hudson who who<00:06:51.919> was<00:06:52.160> the<00:06:52.639> is<00:06:52.800> the<00:06:52.880> adoptive<00:06:53.360> parent<00:06:53.599> of

who was the is the adoptive parent of

who was the is the adoptive parent of tony<00:06:54.080> hudson<00:06:54.800> who<00:06:54.960> was<00:06:55.120> a<00:06:55.199> little<00:06:55.440> boy<00:06:55.680> who<00:06:55.840> was

tony hudson who was a little boy who was

tony hudson who was a little boy who was tortured<00:06:56.479> so<00:06:56.720> badly<00:06:57.599> uh<00:06:57.840> that<00:06:58.000> he<00:06:58.160> lost<00:06:58.400> both

tortured so badly uh that he lost both

tortured so badly uh that he lost both his<00:06:58.880> legs<00:06:59.599> has<00:06:59.840> successfully<00:07:00.560> campaigned<00:07:01.280> for

his legs has successfully campaigned for

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the introduction of

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tony's law which is going to bring in

tony's law which is going to bring in tougher<00:07:05.759> sentences

tougher sentences

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for people who uh cause the death of

for people who uh cause the death of children<00:07:10.960> she<00:07:11.199> wants<00:07:11.599> the<00:07:11.919> justice<00:07:12.400> secretary

children she wants the justice secretary

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don rad to go further though she wants

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her sort of life register if you like

her sort of life register if you like for<00:07:17.039> people<00:07:17.280> that<00:07:17.520> are<00:07:18.000> convicted<00:07:18.639> of

for people that are convicted of

for people that are convicted of committing<00:07:19.520> violence<00:07:19.919> against<00:07:20.160> children

committing violence against children

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much as we have a sex offenders register

much as we have a sex offenders register so<00:07:23.199> it's<00:07:23.360> an<00:07:23.440> important<00:07:23.840> intervention<00:07:24.400> from

so it's an important intervention from

so it's an important intervention from her<00:07:24.800> i<00:07:24.880> think

her i think

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okay and finally gary another favorite

okay and finally gary another favorite one<00:07:27.919> for<00:07:28.080> you

one for you

one for you giving<00:07:29.280> you<00:07:29.520> all<00:07:29.599> the<00:07:29.759> celeb<00:07:30.160> stories<00:07:30.560> the

giving you all the celeb stories the

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star on sunday david gillin i believe on

star on sunday david gillin i believe on is<00:07:33.919> on<00:07:34.000> the<00:07:34.080> front<00:07:34.319> cover

is on the front cover

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yeah i mean a little bit ridiculous

yeah i mean a little bit ridiculous following<00:07:37.120> up<00:07:37.280> after<00:07:37.440> that<00:07:37.759> extremely

following up after that extremely

following up after that extremely serious<00:07:38.560> story<00:07:38.800> but<00:07:39.039> the<00:07:39.199> star<00:07:39.520> is<00:07:39.599> running

serious story but the star is running

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with david ginlar i raised the dead when

with david ginlar i raised the dead when david<00:07:42.880> didn't<00:07:42.880> gina<00:07:43.199> david<00:07:43.440> gillard<00:07:43.759> who<00:07:43.840> was

david didn't gina david gillard who was

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a former football law for newcastle and

a former football law for newcastle and tottenham

tottenham

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did a seance when he was a teenager they

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spoke to the the deceased mother of one

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of his friends you know great for them

of his friends you know great for them uh<00:07:53.280> if<00:07:53.440> i<00:07:53.520> could<00:07:53.599> speak<00:07:53.840> to<00:07:53.919> my<00:07:54.080> deceased<00:07:54.560> nan<00:07:55.039> i

uh if i could speak to my deceased nan i

uh if i could speak to my deceased nan i should<00:07:55.440> have<00:07:55.520> a<00:07:55.520> lot<00:07:55.680> to<00:07:55.759> talk<00:07:55.840> about<00:07:56.000> it's

should have a lot to talk about it's

should have a lot to talk about it's been<00:07:56.240> a<00:07:56.319> while<00:07:56.960> right<00:07:57.840> well<00:07:58.000> look<00:07:58.240> uh<00:07:58.400> let's<00:07:58.720> uh

been a while right well look uh let's uh

been a while right well look uh let's uh let's<00:07:59.120> kick<00:07:59.360> off<00:07:59.520> with<00:07:59.599> that<00:07:59.759> big<00:08:00.000> story

let's kick off with that big story

let's kick off with that big story that's<00:08:00.720> in<00:08:00.800> the<00:08:00.960> sunday<00:08:01.280> times<00:08:01.680> a<00:08:01.759> doctor's

that's in the sunday times a doctor's

that's in the sunday times a doctor's anger<00:08:02.560> as<00:08:02.720> unjabbed<00:08:03.440> fill<00:08:03.759> emergency<00:08:04.479> beds

anger as unjabbed fill emergency beds

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top consultant says cancer ops are being

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delayed uh as kirsty told us earlier we

delayed uh as kirsty told us earlier we are<00:08:11.360> having<00:08:11.840> nine<00:08:12.240> out<00:08:12.479> of<00:08:12.720> ten<00:08:13.280> people<00:08:13.599> on

are having nine out of ten people on

are having nine out of ten people on ventilators<00:08:15.120> uh<00:08:15.440> unjabbed<00:08:16.400> and

ventilators uh unjabbed and

ventilators uh unjabbed and i<00:08:17.680> find<00:08:17.919> this<00:08:18.160> a<00:08:18.240> little<00:08:18.400> bit<00:08:18.560> odd<00:08:18.879> i<00:08:18.960> mean<00:08:19.120> i

i find this a little bit odd i mean i

i find this a little bit odd i mean i tend<00:08:19.520> to<00:08:19.840> i'll<00:08:20.479> follow<00:08:20.800> a<00:08:20.960> few<00:08:21.759> accounts<00:08:22.240> that

tend to i'll follow a few accounts that

tend to i'll follow a few accounts that i<00:08:22.479> would<00:08:22.639> describe<00:08:23.360> on<00:08:23.520> social<00:08:23.840> media<00:08:24.319> as

i would describe on social media as

i would describe on social media as anti-vaxx<00:08:26.000> although

anti-vaxx although

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if you ask them they'd say they're not

if you ask them they'd say they're not anti-vaxx<00:08:29.199> they're<00:08:29.360> pro-choice<00:08:30.720> um<00:08:31.039> but<00:08:31.199> they

anti-vaxx they're pro-choice um but they

anti-vaxx they're pro-choice um but they seem<00:08:31.599> to<00:08:31.680> be<00:08:31.759> doing<00:08:32.000> everything<00:08:32.240> they<00:08:32.399> can<00:08:32.640> to

seem to be doing everything they can to

seem to be doing everything they can to sort<00:08:32.959> of

sort of

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take away any confidence in the vaccine

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but they insist that people should have

but they insist that people should have a<00:08:38.080> choice<00:08:38.479> to<00:08:38.800> take<00:08:39.279> the<00:08:39.519> vaccine

a choice to take the vaccine

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and i i don't quite understand their

and i i don't quite understand their argument<00:08:43.279> because<00:08:43.519> they're<00:08:43.839> also<00:08:44.159> the<00:08:44.240> same

argument because they're also the same

argument because they're also the same people<00:08:44.720> who<00:08:44.880> are<00:08:45.040> anti-lockdown

people who are anti-lockdown

people who are anti-lockdown and<00:08:46.640> they're<00:08:46.880> anti-lockdown<00:08:47.680> because<00:08:47.920> they

and they're anti-lockdown because they

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say that lockdowns of course have an

say that lockdowns of course have an impact<00:08:50.480> on<00:08:50.720> other<00:08:51.200> elements<00:08:51.600> of<00:08:51.760> people's

impact on other elements of people's

impact on other elements of people's health<00:08:52.720> missed<00:08:53.040> appointments<00:08:53.519> and

health missed appointments and

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everything else and what i don't

everything else and what i don't understand<00:08:55.519> is<00:08:55.600> how<00:08:55.760> they<00:08:56.080> cannot<00:08:56.480> see<00:08:56.800> the

understand is how they cannot see the

understand is how they cannot see the fact<00:08:57.279> that

fact that

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unvaccinated people ending up in icu

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does also mean that people with cancer

does also mean that people with cancer operations<00:09:04.000> people<00:09:04.320> with<00:09:04.800> emergency

operations people with emergency

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operations cannot afford to get these

operations cannot afford to get these operations<00:09:08.480> done<00:09:08.800> kirsty<00:09:09.279> because<00:09:09.519> those

operations done kirsty because those

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beds are being taken up by unvaccinated

beds are being taken up by unvaccinated people

people

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well yes indeed as my mother used to say

well yes indeed as my mother used to say though<00:09:16.560> there's<00:09:16.800> no<00:09:17.040> there's<00:09:17.279> no<00:09:17.440> arguing

though there's no there's no arguing

though there's no there's no arguing with<00:09:18.080> stupidity<00:09:18.880> so

with stupidity so

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um i mean look you know we've got 5.8

um i mean look you know we've got 5.8 million<00:09:23.040> people<00:09:23.360> on<00:09:23.440> the<00:09:23.600> waiting<00:09:23.920> list<00:09:24.160> the

million people on the waiting list the

million people on the waiting list the health<00:09:24.560> sector<00:09:24.959> said<00:09:25.200> earlier<00:09:25.519> in<00:09:25.680> the<00:09:25.760> year

health sector said earlier in the year

health sector said earlier in the year that<00:09:26.720> our<00:09:27.040> health<00:09:27.279> waiting<00:09:27.680> list<00:09:27.920> could<00:09:28.160> rise

that our health waiting list could rise

that our health waiting list could rise to

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uh 30 million uh over the winter i mean

uh 30 million uh over the winter i mean you<00:09:33.040> know<00:09:33.120> you<00:09:33.360> started<00:09:33.680> to<00:09:33.839> think<00:09:34.080> about<00:09:34.399> it

you know you started to think about it

you know you started to think about it and<00:09:35.279> the<00:09:35.440> potential<00:09:36.000> for

and the potential for

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lives lost on it now look i don't

lives lost on it now look i don't believe<00:09:39.279> in<00:09:39.360> mandatory<00:09:40.160> vaccinations<00:09:40.959> if<00:09:41.040> you

believe in mandatory vaccinations if you

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don't want to get vaccinated you kind of

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you pays your money you pose your chance

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as much as you if you smoke or if you

as much as you if you smoke or if you you<00:09:47.600> know<00:09:47.760> eat<00:09:48.000> to<00:09:48.240> excess<00:09:49.120> but<00:09:49.839> having<00:09:50.160> said

you know eat to excess but having said

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that what i do really object to is the

that what i do really object to is the sort<00:09:52.720> of<00:09:52.959> anti-vaxxer<00:09:53.680> brigade<00:09:54.080> appears

sort of anti-vaxxer brigade appears

sort of anti-vaxxer brigade appears corbin's<00:09:55.200> of<00:09:55.680> the<00:09:55.760> world<00:09:56.399> spreading

corbin's of the world spreading

corbin's of the world spreading disinformation<00:09:58.000> that<00:09:58.240> frightens<00:09:58.720> people

disinformation that frightens people

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into not taking back things that's what

into not taking back things that's what i<00:10:01.279> object<00:10:01.680> to

i object to

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uh quite profoundly now i mean i had

uh quite profoundly now i mean i had uh<00:10:05.920> breast<00:10:06.160> cancer<00:10:06.560> last<00:10:07.279> christmas

uh breast cancer last christmas

uh breast cancer last christmas um<00:10:09.279> and<00:10:09.760> one<00:10:09.920> of<00:10:10.000> the<00:10:10.160> things<00:10:10.399> i<00:10:10.480> was<00:10:10.720> most

um and one of the things i was most

um and one of the things i was most terrified<00:10:11.600> about<00:10:11.839> was<00:10:12.000> that<00:10:12.079> my<00:10:12.240> cancer

terrified about was that my cancer

terrified about was that my cancer operation<00:10:13.040> would<00:10:13.120> get<00:10:13.360> cancelled<00:10:13.920> because<00:10:14.240> of

operation would get cancelled because of

operation would get cancelled because of because<00:10:15.120> of<00:10:15.279> covered<00:10:15.680> and<00:10:15.760> because<00:10:16.000> of

because of covered and because of

because of covered and because of lockdown<00:10:16.880> i<00:10:17.120> cannot<00:10:17.600> imagine<00:10:18.560> how<00:10:18.880> awful<00:10:19.279> it

lockdown i cannot imagine how awful it

lockdown i cannot imagine how awful it must<00:10:19.680> be<00:10:20.320> to<00:10:20.480> have<00:10:20.880> cancer<00:10:21.680> growing<00:10:22.079> inside

must be to have cancer growing inside

must be to have cancer growing inside you<00:10:22.720> and<00:10:22.800> be<00:10:22.959> told<00:10:23.200> that<00:10:23.360> your<00:10:23.600> operation<00:10:24.079> is

you and be told that your operation is

you and be told that your operation is cancelled<00:10:24.720> because<00:10:24.880> you<00:10:25.040> simply<00:10:25.519> don't<00:10:25.839> have

cancelled because you simply don't have

cancelled because you simply don't have the<00:10:26.720> beds<00:10:27.040> or<00:10:27.200> the<00:10:27.360> surgeons<00:10:27.920> to<00:10:28.000> be<00:10:28.160> able<00:10:28.320> to

the beds or the surgeons to be able to

the beds or the surgeons to be able to cope<00:10:28.720> with<00:10:28.959> it<00:10:29.519> and<00:10:29.760> you<00:10:29.839> know<00:10:30.000> if<00:10:30.160> i<00:10:30.240> had<00:10:30.720> one

cope with it and you know if i had one

cope with it and you know if i had one sort<00:10:31.279> of<00:10:31.760> magic<00:10:32.160> wish<00:10:32.399> if<00:10:32.560> you<00:10:32.640> like<00:10:32.880> him

sort of magic wish if you like him

sort of magic wish if you like him changing<00:10:33.680> laws<00:10:34.079> quickly<00:10:34.560> it<00:10:34.720> would<00:10:34.959> be<00:10:35.360> some

changing laws quickly it would be some

changing laws quickly it would be some severe<00:10:37.120> punishment<00:10:37.760> for<00:10:38.000> spreading<00:10:38.480> medical

severe punishment for spreading medical

severe punishment for spreading medical disinformation<00:10:39.600> that<00:10:39.839> frightens<00:10:40.240> people<00:10:40.480> out

disinformation that frightens people out

disinformation that frightens people out of<00:10:40.720> getting<00:10:40.959> vaccines

of getting vaccines

of getting vaccines gary<00:10:43.040> what<00:10:43.279> are<00:10:43.440> your<00:10:43.760> thoughts<00:10:44.480> a<00:10:44.560> few<00:10:44.800> people

gary what are your thoughts a few people

gary what are your thoughts a few people reacting<00:10:45.760> to<00:10:45.920> this<00:10:46.160> story<00:10:46.560> again<00:10:46.880> there's<00:10:47.120> the

reacting to this story again there's the

reacting to this story again there's the usual<00:10:47.920> suspects<00:10:48.560> who<00:10:48.800> who<00:10:49.040> are<00:10:49.279> as<00:10:49.519> cursed<00:10:49.839> is

usual suspects who who are as cursed is

usual suspects who who are as cursed is saying<00:10:50.160> spreading<00:10:50.880> sometimes<00:10:51.360> not<00:10:51.519> just

saying spreading sometimes not just

saying spreading sometimes not just misinformation<00:10:52.480> but<00:10:52.640> just

misinformation but just

misinformation but just distrust<00:10:54.160> if<00:10:54.320> you<00:10:54.399> like<00:10:54.720> in<00:10:54.800> the<00:10:54.959> vaccine<00:10:55.440> are

distrust if you like in the vaccine are

distrust if you like in the vaccine are saying<00:10:55.839> well<00:10:56.160> actually<00:10:56.800> if<00:10:56.959> you're<00:10:57.040> going<00:10:57.120> to

saying well actually if you're going to

saying well actually if you're going to blame<00:10:57.519> unvaccinated<00:10:58.240> people<00:10:58.560> taking<00:10:58.800> up<00:10:58.880> beds

blame unvaccinated people taking up beds

blame unvaccinated people taking up beds at<00:10:59.279> the<00:10:59.360> icu<00:10:59.920> then<00:11:00.079> you<00:11:00.240> should<00:11:00.399> drink<00:11:00.880> you

at the icu then you should drink you

at the icu then you should drink you should<00:11:01.519> blame<00:11:02.079> heavy<00:11:02.399> drinkers<00:11:02.880> heavy

should blame heavy drinkers heavy

should blame heavy drinkers heavy smokers<00:11:04.320> uh<00:11:04.640> you<00:11:04.800> know<00:11:05.040> people<00:11:05.279> who<00:11:05.600> are<00:11:05.760> not

smokers uh you know people who are not

smokers uh you know people who are not looking<00:11:06.240> after<00:11:06.480> their<00:11:06.640> health

looking after their health

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my argument to that would be

my argument to that would be i<00:11:09.440> think<00:11:09.680> with<00:11:09.920> drink<00:11:10.560> and<00:11:10.800> smoking<00:11:11.600> that<00:11:11.839> is

i think with drink and smoking that is

i think with drink and smoking that is you<00:11:12.399> could<00:11:12.560> class<00:11:12.880> that<00:11:13.120> as<00:11:13.200> an<00:11:13.360> addiction<00:11:13.839> i

you could class that as an addiction i

you could class that as an addiction i think<00:11:14.399> not<00:11:14.560> taking<00:11:14.800> the<00:11:14.959> vaccine<00:11:15.360> has<00:11:15.440> nothing

think not taking the vaccine has nothing

think not taking the vaccine has nothing to<00:11:15.760> do<00:11:15.920> with<00:11:16.000> eviction<00:11:16.399> that<00:11:16.640> is<00:11:16.880> just<00:11:17.120> a

to do with eviction that is just a

to do with eviction that is just a choice

choice

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uh that people have what are your

uh that people have what are your thoughts<00:11:20.720> on<00:11:20.959> on<00:11:21.120> this<00:11:21.360> story<00:11:21.680> gary

thoughts on on this story gary

thoughts on on this story gary yeah<00:11:23.279> it's<00:11:23.440> an<00:11:23.519> important<00:11:23.920> story<00:11:24.320> and<00:11:24.560> you

yeah it's an important story and you

yeah it's an important story and you know<00:11:24.800> it's<00:11:24.880> not<00:11:25.040> going<00:11:25.120> to<00:11:25.200> go<00:11:25.279> away<00:11:25.600> because

know it's not going to go away because

know it's not going to go away because we're<00:11:26.399> still<00:11:26.640> seeing<00:11:27.440> waves<00:11:27.680> of<00:11:27.839> covered<00:11:28.320> and

we're still seeing waves of covered and

we're still seeing waves of covered and it's<00:11:28.640> leading<00:11:28.959> to<00:11:29.040> a<00:11:29.120> massive<00:11:29.360> backlog<00:11:29.760> for

it's leading to a massive backlog for

it's leading to a massive backlog for the<00:11:30.000> nhs<00:11:30.320> so<00:11:30.480> the<00:11:30.640> nhs<00:11:30.959> is<00:11:31.040> going<00:11:31.120> to<00:11:31.200> be

the nhs so the nhs is going to be

the nhs so the nhs is going to be crowded<00:11:31.600> for<00:11:31.680> a<00:11:31.680> long<00:11:31.839> period<00:11:32.079> of<00:11:32.160> time<00:11:32.399> and

crowded for a long period of time and

crowded for a long period of time and this<00:11:32.800> unvaccination<00:11:33.519> issue<00:11:33.760> is<00:11:34.000> important<00:11:34.560> i

this unvaccination issue is important i

this unvaccination issue is important i mean<00:11:34.800> for<00:11:34.959> me<00:11:35.200> you<00:11:35.279> know<00:11:35.519> i<00:11:35.920> i<00:11:36.240> live<00:11:36.399> in<00:11:36.480> east

mean for me you know i i live in east

mean for me you know i i live in east london<00:11:36.800> i<00:11:36.880> promise<00:11:37.120> london<00:11:37.440> i<00:11:37.519> grew<00:11:37.680> up<00:11:37.760> in

london i promise london i grew up in

london i promise london i grew up in quite<00:11:38.320> a<00:11:38.480> poor<00:11:38.720> area<00:11:39.279> and<00:11:39.440> what<00:11:39.600> i<00:11:39.760> find<00:11:40.079> often

quite a poor area and what i find often

quite a poor area and what i find often is<00:11:40.959> there's<00:11:41.200> a<00:11:41.200> lot<00:11:41.279> of<00:11:41.360> people<00:11:41.600> in<00:11:41.680> the<00:11:41.760> area

is there's a lot of people in the area

is there's a lot of people in the area where<00:11:42.079> i'm<00:11:42.240> from<00:11:42.560> friends<00:11:42.959> from<00:11:43.279> my<00:11:43.519> childhood

where i'm from friends from my childhood

where i'm from friends from my childhood that<00:11:44.079> are<00:11:44.160> very<00:11:44.399> skeptical<00:11:44.959> of<00:11:45.200> of<00:11:45.440> the

that are very skeptical of of the

that are very skeptical of of the vaccination<00:11:46.320> and<00:11:46.480> i<00:11:46.560> think<00:11:46.720> it's<00:11:46.959> because

vaccination and i think it's because

vaccination and i think it's because they've<00:11:48.000> sort<00:11:48.160> of<00:11:48.720> lived<00:11:48.959> in<00:11:49.200> the<00:11:49.279> last<00:11:49.440> sort

they've sort of lived in the last sort

they've sort of lived in the last sort of<00:11:49.760> 11<00:11:50.079> 12<00:11:50.399> years<00:11:50.880> where

of 11 12 years where

of 11 12 years where the<00:11:52.000> government<00:11:52.320> is<00:11:52.399> doing<00:11:52.639> nothing<00:11:52.880> to<00:11:53.040> help

the government is doing nothing to help

the government is doing nothing to help poorer<00:11:53.600> people<00:11:54.079> and<00:11:54.160> yet<00:11:54.560> richer<00:11:54.880> people<00:11:55.120> seem

poorer people and yet richer people seem

poorer people and yet richer people seem to<00:11:55.440> get<00:11:55.519> rich<00:11:55.760> and<00:11:55.920> rich<00:11:56.160> and<00:11:56.399> they've<00:11:56.639> lost

to get rich and rich and they've lost

to get rich and rich and they've lost faith<00:11:57.519> in<00:11:57.600> the<00:11:57.680> government<00:11:58.000> over<00:11:58.160> time<00:11:58.320> and

faith in the government over time and

faith in the government over time and it's<00:11:58.560> led<00:11:58.720> to<00:11:58.800> this<00:11:58.959> situation<00:11:59.519> where<00:11:59.920> you

it's led to this situation where you

it's led to this situation where you know<00:12:00.160> we<00:12:00.320> have<00:12:00.399> a<00:12:00.480> really<00:12:00.800> serious<00:12:01.279> issue<00:12:01.519> here

know we have a really serious issue here

know we have a really serious issue here and<00:12:02.079> there's<00:12:02.320> so<00:12:02.560> little<00:12:02.880> faith<00:12:03.120> in

and there's so little faith in

and there's so little faith in government<00:12:03.519> that<00:12:03.680> bet<00:12:03.920> they're<00:12:04.079> unwilling<00:12:04.399> to

government that bet they're unwilling to

government that bet they're unwilling to get<00:12:04.560> vaccinated<00:12:05.120> but<00:12:05.440> i<00:12:05.519> think<00:12:05.680> the<00:12:05.760> most

get vaccinated but i think the most

get vaccinated but i think the most important<00:12:06.320> thing<00:12:06.560> is<00:12:06.639> that<00:12:06.800> we<00:12:06.959> address<00:12:07.279> how

important thing is that we address how

important thing is that we address how can<00:12:07.600> we<00:12:08.079> change<00:12:08.399> this<00:12:08.480> because<00:12:08.720> pointing<00:12:09.120> our

can we change this because pointing our

can we change this because pointing our fingers<00:12:09.519> at<00:12:09.600> these<00:12:09.760> guys<00:12:10.000> and<00:12:10.079> calling<00:12:10.320> them

fingers at these guys and calling them

fingers at these guys and calling them stupid<00:12:10.880> is<00:12:10.959> not<00:12:11.120> going<00:12:11.200> to<00:12:11.279> prove<00:12:11.519> anything

stupid is not going to prove anything

stupid is not going to prove anything and<00:12:12.320> now<00:12:12.560> i<00:12:12.720> think<00:12:13.360> we<00:12:13.519> need<00:12:13.680> to<00:12:13.760> consider<00:12:14.240> you

and now i think we need to consider you

and now i think we need to consider you know<00:12:14.560> can<00:12:14.800> we<00:12:14.959> offer<00:12:15.360> financial<00:12:15.839> incentives

know can we offer financial incentives

know can we offer financial incentives to<00:12:16.480> people<00:12:16.720> to<00:12:16.800> get<00:12:17.040> vaccinated<00:12:17.519> you<00:12:17.600> know

to people to get vaccinated you know

to people to get vaccinated you know during<00:12:18.160> the<00:12:18.240> first<00:12:18.480> year<00:12:18.720> of<00:12:18.800> kobe<00:12:19.440> we<00:12:19.680> saw<00:12:19.839> the

during the first year of kobe we saw the

during the first year of kobe we saw the biggest<00:12:20.399> ever<00:12:20.800> increase<00:12:21.200> in<00:12:21.360> billionaire

biggest ever increase in billionaire

biggest ever increase in billionaire worlds<00:12:21.920> in<00:12:22.000> this<00:12:22.160> country<00:12:22.639> the<00:12:22.800> average

worlds in this country the average

worlds in this country the average billionaire<00:12:23.680> increased<00:12:24.000> their<00:12:24.079> wealth<00:12:24.320> by

billionaire increased their wealth by

billionaire increased their wealth by 620<00:12:25.200> million<00:12:25.440> pounds<00:12:25.680> during<00:12:25.920> kovis<00:12:26.720> maybe

620 million pounds during kovis maybe

620 million pounds during kovis maybe rather<00:12:27.440> than<00:12:27.680> rising<00:12:28.079> national<00:12:28.320> insurance<00:12:28.560> to

rather than rising national insurance to

rather than rising national insurance to all<00:12:28.800> three<00:12:29.040> people<00:12:29.680> we<00:12:29.839> could<00:12:30.000> tax<00:12:30.240> these<00:12:30.480> guys

all three people we could tax these guys

all three people we could tax these guys and<00:12:31.200> pay<00:12:31.440> people<00:12:31.680> to<00:12:31.760> get<00:12:31.920> vaccinated<00:12:32.880> helping

and pay people to get vaccinated helping

and pay people to get vaccinated helping reduce<00:12:33.600> inequality<00:12:34.240> and<00:12:34.800> also

reduce inequality and also

reduce inequality and also solving<00:12:36.079> this<00:12:36.240> health<00:12:36.480> crisis<00:12:37.279> okay<00:12:38.000> i<00:12:38.160> like

solving this health crisis okay i like

solving this health crisis okay i like it<00:12:38.720> uh<00:12:39.360> it's<00:12:39.600> it's<00:12:39.760> a<00:12:39.839> thought<00:12:40.320> uh<00:12:40.480> now<00:12:40.639> look

it uh it's it's a thought uh now look

it uh it's it's a thought uh now look kirsten<00:12:41.120> and<00:12:41.200> gary<00:12:41.440> have<00:12:41.600> got<00:12:41.760> uh<00:12:41.839> plenty<00:12:42.160> of

kirsten and gary have got uh plenty of

kirsten and gary have got uh plenty of stories<00:12:42.639> to<00:12:42.959> take<00:12:43.200> us<00:12:43.360> through<00:12:43.600> all<00:12:43.760> the<00:12:43.920> way

stories to take us through all the way

stories to take us through all the way up<00:12:44.480> to<00:12:44.800> two<00:12:45.040> o'clock

up to two o'clock

up to two o'clock prime<00:12:46.800> minister<00:12:47.040> boris<00:12:47.360> johnson<00:12:47.760> has<00:12:47.920> ordered

prime minister boris johnson has ordered

prime minister boris johnson has ordered a<00:12:48.399> wide-ranging<00:12:49.120> national<00:12:49.600> inquiry<00:12:50.560> into<00:12:50.800> the

a wide-ranging national inquiry into the

a wide-ranging national inquiry into the murder<00:12:51.440> of<00:12:51.680> arthur<00:12:52.079> involving<00:12:52.560> police

murder of arthur involving police

murder of arthur involving police schools<00:12:53.680> social<00:12:54.160> services<00:12:55.120> probation

schools social services probation

schools social services probation watchdogs<00:12:56.720> and<00:12:57.120> this<00:12:57.279> is<00:12:57.360> to<00:12:57.519> learn<00:12:57.839> lessons

watchdogs and this is to learn lessons

watchdogs and this is to learn lessons from<00:12:58.480> the<00:12:58.639> case<00:12:58.959> the<00:12:59.120> mail<00:12:59.440> on<00:12:59.600> sunday<00:12:59.920> notes

from the case the mail on sunday notes

from the case the mail on sunday notes that<00:13:00.320> attorney<00:13:00.639> general<00:13:00.959> suella<00:13:01.440> braverman

that attorney general suella braverman

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is to review whether the sentence is

is to review whether the sentence is handed<00:13:04.160> to<00:13:04.399> our<00:13:04.800> arthur's<00:13:05.200> stepmother<00:13:05.680> and

handed to our arthur's stepmother and

handed to our arthur's stepmother and his<00:13:06.079> father<00:13:06.399> were<00:13:06.639> too<00:13:06.880> lenient<00:13:07.839> and<00:13:08.320> should

his father were too lenient and should

his father were too lenient and should be<00:13:08.639> referred<00:13:09.040> to<00:13:09.200> the<00:13:09.279> court<00:13:09.519> of<00:13:09.680> appeal

be referred to the court of appeal

be referred to the court of appeal during<00:13:10.639> the<00:13:10.720> couple's<00:13:11.120> trial<00:13:11.519> it<00:13:11.680> emerged

during the couple's trial it emerged

during the couple's trial it emerged that<00:13:12.240> at<00:13:12.320> least<00:13:12.800> three<00:13:13.360> warnings<00:13:13.839> from<00:13:14.079> family

that at least three warnings from family

that at least three warnings from family members<00:13:14.959> and<00:13:15.200> teachers<00:13:16.000> about<00:13:16.320> arthur's

members and teachers about arthur's

members and teachers about arthur's plight<00:13:17.120> had<00:13:17.360> not<00:13:18.079> been

plight had not been

plight had not been heeded<00:13:19.760> gary<00:13:20.240> what<00:13:20.480> was<00:13:20.720> your<00:13:20.880> reaction<00:13:21.680> to

heeded gary what was your reaction to

heeded gary what was your reaction to this<00:13:22.880> story<00:13:23.200> we<00:13:23.440> are<00:13:23.519> going<00:13:23.680> to<00:13:23.760> have<00:13:24.160> a<00:13:24.320> review

this story we are going to have a review

this story we are going to have a review as<00:13:25.200> we<00:13:25.440> spoke<00:13:25.680> about<00:13:26.480> a<00:13:26.639> little<00:13:26.800> bit<00:13:27.360> earlier

as we spoke about a little bit earlier

as we spoke about a little bit earlier but<00:13:27.839> we've<00:13:28.079> had<00:13:28.399> many<00:13:28.720> reviews<00:13:29.120> but<00:13:29.279> we've

but we've had many reviews but we've

but we've had many reviews but we've heard<00:13:29.760> from<00:13:29.920> one<00:13:30.079> of<00:13:30.160> the<00:13:30.240> people<00:13:30.480> who<00:13:30.560> carried

heard from one of the people who carried

heard from one of the people who carried out<00:13:31.519> the<00:13:31.680> inquiry<00:13:32.399> to<00:13:32.880> victoria<00:13:33.360> crumbier

out the inquiry to victoria crumbier

out the inquiry to victoria crumbier case<00:13:34.240> back<00:13:34.399> in<00:13:34.560> 2000<00:13:35.360> lord<00:13:35.680> layming<00:13:36.079> who<00:13:36.240> spoke

case back in 2000 lord layming who spoke

case back in 2000 lord layming who spoke to<00:13:36.560> me<00:13:36.639> at<00:13:36.720> the<00:13:36.880> beginning<00:13:37.200> of<00:13:37.279> the<00:13:37.360> show<00:13:37.600> that

to me at the beginning of the show that

to me at the beginning of the show that reviews<00:13:38.560> are<00:13:39.199> helpful<00:13:39.920> because<00:13:40.240> you<00:13:40.399> get<00:13:40.639> to

reviews are helpful because you get to

reviews are helpful because you get to establish<00:13:41.279> the<00:13:41.440> facts<00:13:41.839> and<00:13:42.000> find<00:13:42.320> out<00:13:42.560> exactly

establish the facts and find out exactly

establish the facts and find out exactly what<00:13:43.199> went<00:13:43.519> wrong

what went wrong

what went wrong yeah<00:13:45.519> well<00:13:45.920> i<00:13:46.000> mean<00:13:46.399> first<00:13:46.639> of<00:13:46.800> all<00:13:46.959> you<00:13:47.040> know

yeah well i mean first of all you know

yeah well i mean first of all you know just<00:13:47.360> listening<00:13:47.760> to<00:13:47.920> the<00:13:48.000> grandmother

just listening to the grandmother

just listening to the grandmother speaking<00:13:48.639> there<00:13:48.880> the<00:13:49.120> obvious<00:13:49.600> reaction<00:13:49.920> that

speaking there the obvious reaction that

speaking there the obvious reaction that anyone<00:13:50.320> is<00:13:50.399> going<00:13:50.480> to<00:13:50.560> have<00:13:50.720> to<00:13:50.800> do

anyone is going to have to do

anyone is going to have to do this<00:13:51.680> story<00:13:51.920> is<00:13:52.000> an<00:13:52.079> emotional<00:13:52.480> reaction

this story is an emotional reaction

this story is an emotional reaction because<00:13:53.120> it's<00:13:53.440> it's

because it's it's

because it's it's it's<00:13:54.480> a<00:13:54.560> heartbreaking<00:13:55.040> story<00:13:55.360> and<00:13:55.440> you<00:13:55.519> know

it's a heartbreaking story and you know

it's a heartbreaking story and you know anyone<00:13:55.839> who<00:13:56.000> listens<00:13:56.240> to<00:13:56.320> this<00:13:56.480> story<00:13:56.800> like<00:13:57.040> i

anyone who listens to this story like i

anyone who listens to this story like i think<00:13:57.199> should<00:13:57.519> just<00:13:57.680> take<00:13:57.839> a<00:13:57.920> bit<00:13:58.000> of<00:13:58.079> time<00:13:58.320> to

think should just take a bit of time to

think should just take a bit of time to think<00:13:58.560> about<00:13:59.279> you<00:13:59.440> know<00:13:59.600> not<00:13:59.760> just<00:13:59.920> offer<00:14:00.240> but

think about you know not just offer but

think about you know not just offer but but<00:14:00.639> all<00:14:00.800> of<00:14:00.880> the<00:14:00.959> kids<00:14:01.120> in<00:14:01.279> this<00:14:01.360> country<00:14:01.680> who

but all of the kids in this country who

but all of the kids in this country who have<00:14:02.000> to<00:14:02.079> deal<00:14:02.240> with<00:14:02.399> abusive<00:14:02.800> situations<00:14:03.199> at

have to deal with abusive situations at

have to deal with abusive situations at home<00:14:03.440> because<00:14:03.600> unfortunately<00:14:04.079> it<00:14:04.160> does

home because unfortunately it does

home because unfortunately it does happen

happen

happen um

um

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and we have a social care system and

and we have a social care system and there<00:14:07.920> obviously<00:14:08.240> needs<00:14:08.399> to<00:14:08.480> be<00:14:08.560> a<00:14:08.639> review<00:14:09.040> and

there obviously needs to be a review and

there obviously needs to be a review and we<00:14:09.600> don't<00:14:09.839> know

we don't know

we don't know whether<00:14:11.040> there<00:14:11.199> was<00:14:11.360> a<00:14:11.360> case<00:14:11.600> of<00:14:11.680> negligence

whether there was a case of negligence

whether there was a case of negligence and<00:14:12.240> care<00:14:12.399> you<00:14:12.480> know<00:14:12.560> we<00:14:12.639> see<00:14:12.800> in<00:14:12.880> the<00:14:13.040> story

and care you know we see in the story

and care you know we see in the story that<00:14:13.760> three<00:14:14.000> people<00:14:14.320> within<00:14:14.639> the<00:14:14.720> family

that three people within the family

that three people within the family tried<00:14:15.279> to<00:14:15.360> sort<00:14:15.519> of<00:14:15.600> raise<00:14:15.839> alert<00:14:16.240> and<00:14:16.480> they

tried to sort of raise alert and they

tried to sort of raise alert and they were<00:14:16.800> investigated<00:14:17.360> but<00:14:17.519> they<00:14:17.760> nothing<00:14:18.079> but

were investigated but they nothing but

were investigated but they nothing but no<00:14:18.480> further<00:14:18.720> action<00:14:18.959> was<00:14:19.040> taken<00:14:19.760> um<00:14:20.399> you<00:14:20.480> know

no further action was taken um you know

no further action was taken um you know my<00:14:20.800> mum<00:14:20.959> was<00:14:21.120> a<00:14:21.199> social<00:14:21.519> worker<00:14:21.920> um<00:14:22.320> and<00:14:22.639> i

my mum was a social worker um and i

my mum was a social worker um and i remember<00:14:23.360> when<00:14:23.519> i<00:14:23.600> was<00:14:23.680> a<00:14:23.760> teenager<00:14:24.240> watching

remember when i was a teenager watching

remember when i was a teenager watching her<00:14:25.199> you<00:14:25.279> know<00:14:25.519> she<00:14:25.680> had<00:14:26.079> an<00:14:26.240> enormous

her you know she had an enormous

her you know she had an enormous caseload<00:14:27.120> of<00:14:27.199> so<00:14:27.360> many<00:14:27.680> kids<00:14:28.079> and<00:14:28.399> and<00:14:28.959> i<00:14:29.040> think

caseload of so many kids and and i think

caseload of so many kids and and i think she<00:14:29.519> knew<00:14:30.240> that<00:14:30.480> it<00:14:30.560> was<00:14:30.720> too<00:14:30.959> many<00:14:31.519> and

she knew that it was too many and

she knew that it was too many and you<00:14:32.399> know<00:14:32.639> she<00:14:32.959> she<00:14:33.120> would<00:14:33.360> have<00:14:33.839> loved<00:14:34.079> to

you know she she would have loved to

you know she she would have loved to have<00:14:34.399> more<00:14:34.560> time<00:14:34.800> to<00:14:34.880> give<00:14:35.120> each<00:14:35.279> one<00:14:35.440> of<00:14:35.519> these

have more time to give each one of these

have more time to give each one of these kids<00:14:35.920> the<00:14:36.000> attention<00:14:36.399> that<00:14:36.720> that<00:14:36.880> they

kids the attention that that they

kids the attention that that they deserve<00:14:37.360> but<00:14:37.519> the<00:14:37.839> the<00:14:38.000> case<00:14:38.240> that<00:14:38.399> she<00:14:38.560> had

deserve but the the case that she had

deserve but the the case that she had was<00:14:38.800> so<00:14:38.959> enormous<00:14:39.760> that<00:14:40.000> she<00:14:40.160> just<00:14:40.320> wasn't

was so enormous that she just wasn't

was so enormous that she just wasn't able<00:14:40.720> to<00:14:40.800> give<00:14:40.959> everything<00:14:41.279> the<00:14:41.360> time<00:14:41.519> that<00:14:41.600> he

able to give everything the time that he

able to give everything the time that he needed<00:14:42.000> so<00:14:42.079> i<00:14:42.160> think<00:14:42.320> we<00:14:42.399> need<00:14:42.560> to<00:14:42.639> be

needed so i think we need to be

needed so i think we need to be open-minded<00:14:44.079> we<00:14:44.160> need<00:14:44.240> to<00:14:44.320> have<00:14:44.560> inquiry<00:14:44.880> and

open-minded we need to have inquiry and

open-minded we need to have inquiry and understand<00:14:45.440> you<00:14:45.519> know<00:14:46.160> possibly<00:14:46.560> there's<00:14:46.800> big

understand you know possibly there's big

understand you know possibly there's big mistakes<00:14:47.279> made<00:14:47.440> by<00:14:47.519> individuals<00:14:48.000> and<00:14:48.079> if

mistakes made by individuals and if

mistakes made by individuals and if there<00:14:48.639> are<00:14:48.959> we<00:14:49.120> need<00:14:49.199> to<00:14:49.360> find<00:14:49.600> them<00:14:49.680> possibly

there are we need to find them possibly

there are we need to find them possibly there's<00:14:50.160> systemic<00:14:50.639> mistakes<00:14:50.959> in<00:14:51.040> the<00:14:51.120> system

there's systemic mistakes in the system

there's systemic mistakes in the system but<00:14:51.920> also<00:14:52.240> possibly<00:14:52.639> there's<00:14:52.800> just<00:14:53.040> a<00:14:53.120> problem

but also possibly there's just a problem

but also possibly there's just a problem of<00:14:53.519> underfunding<00:14:54.480> and<00:14:54.639> not<00:14:54.800> giving<00:14:55.120> enough

of underfunding and not giving enough

of underfunding and not giving enough social<00:14:56.000> workers<00:14:56.240> that<00:14:56.399> we<00:14:56.480> need<00:14:56.560> to<00:14:56.639> prevent

social workers that we need to prevent

social workers that we need to prevent terrible<00:14:57.600> things<00:14:57.839> like<00:14:58.000> this<00:14:58.399> from<00:14:58.639> happening

terrible things like this from happening

terrible things like this from happening kirsty<00:15:00.000> social<00:15:00.399> care<00:15:00.959> has<00:15:01.279> been<00:15:01.519> a<00:15:01.680> big

kirsty social care has been a big

kirsty social care has been a big subject<00:15:02.880> and<00:15:03.040> as<00:15:03.199> gary<00:15:03.600> was<00:15:03.760> mentioning<00:15:04.240> there

subject and as gary was mentioning there

subject and as gary was mentioning there the<00:15:05.120> funding<00:15:05.519> of<00:15:05.680> social<00:15:06.079> care<00:15:06.800> has<00:15:07.040> seen<00:15:07.440> what

the funding of social care has seen what

the funding of social care has seen what our<00:15:08.000> recent<00:15:08.399> tax<00:15:08.720> rises<00:15:09.519> to<00:15:09.680> national

our recent tax rises to national

our recent tax rises to national insurance<00:15:10.639> contributions

insurance contributions

insurance contributions is<00:15:12.560> this<00:15:12.880> again<00:15:13.279> going<00:15:13.440> to<00:15:13.519> come<00:15:13.839> down<00:15:14.079> to

is this again going to come down to

is this again going to come down to underfunding<00:15:15.360> of<00:15:15.440> social<00:15:15.839> care<00:15:16.160> or<00:15:16.320> not<00:15:16.480> in

underfunding of social care or not in

underfunding of social care or not in having<00:15:16.880> enough<00:15:17.199> people<00:15:17.680> again<00:15:18.240> real<00:15:18.480> life

having enough people again real life

having enough people again real life experience<00:15:19.040> there<00:15:19.199> from<00:15:19.360> gary's<00:15:19.760> mom<00:15:20.000> too

experience there from gary's mom too

experience there from gary's mom too many<00:15:20.480> kids<00:15:20.800> just<00:15:21.199> one<00:15:21.440> person<00:15:21.839> dealing<00:15:22.079> with

many kids just one person dealing with

many kids just one person dealing with it

it

it and<00:15:23.839> in<00:15:24.000> a<00:15:24.160> way

and in a way

and in a way even<00:15:25.360> though<00:15:25.519> what<00:15:25.760> lord<00:15:26.160> layming<00:15:26.639> said<00:15:27.040> you

even though what lord layming said you

even though what lord layming said you always<00:15:27.519> need<00:15:27.760> a<00:15:27.839> review<00:15:28.320> or<00:15:28.480> an<00:15:28.639> inquiry<00:15:29.120> to

always need a review or an inquiry to

always need a review or an inquiry to establish<00:15:29.680> the<00:15:29.839> facts<00:15:30.639> are<00:15:30.800> we<00:15:30.959> going<00:15:31.120> to<00:15:31.199> get

establish the facts are we going to get

establish the facts are we going to get back<00:15:31.600> to<00:15:31.759> exactly<00:15:32.240> what<00:15:32.480> we<00:15:32.639> get<00:15:32.880> back<00:15:33.040> to

back to exactly what we get back to

back to exactly what we get back to every<00:15:33.600> time<00:15:33.839> which<00:15:34.000> is<00:15:34.160> we<00:15:34.399> need<00:15:34.639> to<00:15:34.720> put<00:15:35.040> more

every time which is we need to put more

every time which is we need to put more money<00:15:35.680> into<00:15:35.920> social<00:15:36.320> care<00:15:37.040> if<00:15:37.199> we<00:15:37.279> want<00:15:37.440> to

money into social care if we want to

money into social care if we want to give<00:15:37.759> these<00:15:38.000> kids<00:15:38.320> a<00:15:38.399> chance

give these kids a chance

give these kids a chance um<00:15:40.880> well<00:15:41.120> i<00:15:41.199> mean<00:15:41.680> i<00:15:42.079> listened<00:15:42.399> to<00:15:42.800> dominic

um well i mean i listened to dominic

um well i mean i listened to dominic rabb<00:15:43.519> this<00:15:43.680> morning<00:15:44.160> saying<00:15:44.720> you<00:15:44.800> know<00:15:44.959> an

rabb this morning saying you know an

rabb this morning saying you know an additional<00:15:45.680> five<00:15:46.000> billion<00:15:46.399> pounds<00:15:46.720> had<00:15:46.880> gone

additional five billion pounds had gone

additional five billion pounds had gone into<00:15:47.279> local<00:15:47.600> authorities<00:15:48.399> um

into local authorities um

into local authorities um i<00:15:49.440> think<00:15:49.600> it's<00:15:49.759> 50<00:15:50.160> million<00:15:50.959> uh<00:15:51.279> if<00:15:51.519> i<00:15:51.759> if<00:15:51.920> i'm

i think it's 50 million uh if i if i'm

i think it's 50 million uh if i if i'm right<00:15:52.480> but<00:15:52.639> i'll<00:15:52.880> double<00:15:53.120> we'll<00:15:53.279> double<00:15:53.519> check

right but i'll double we'll double check

right but i'll double we'll double check that<00:15:53.839> because<00:15:54.000> 5<00:15:54.240> billion<00:15:54.560> sounds<00:15:54.800> a<00:15:54.880> lot

that because 5 billion sounds a lot

that because 5 billion sounds a lot yeah<00:15:56.480> it<00:15:56.639> is<00:15:56.800> a<00:15:56.880> lot<00:15:57.279> and<00:15:57.759> uh

yeah it is a lot and uh

yeah it is a lot and uh 4.8<00:15:59.519> billion<00:15:59.920> to<00:16:00.000> be<00:16:00.160> precise<00:16:01.120> um<00:16:01.680> went<00:16:02.000> into

4.8 billion to be precise um went into

4.8 billion to be precise um went into social<00:16:03.040> care<00:16:03.279> over<00:16:03.519> there<00:16:03.680> for<00:16:03.920> local

social care over there for local

social care over there for local authorities

authorities

authorities uh<00:16:06.079> to<00:16:06.240> handle<00:16:06.720> you<00:16:06.800> know<00:16:07.120> its<00:16:07.279> pandemic

uh to handle you know its pandemic

uh to handle you know its pandemic response

response

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a good deal of which will have gone into

a good deal of which will have gone into social<00:16:11.440> care<00:16:11.680> funding<00:16:12.079> i<00:16:12.160> mean<00:16:12.480> look<00:16:12.720> some<00:16:12.880> of

social care funding i mean look some of

social care funding i mean look some of this<00:16:13.199> is<00:16:13.360> resources<00:16:14.399> some<00:16:14.560> of<00:16:14.720> this<00:16:14.959> is

this is resources some of this is

this is resources some of this is systemic<00:16:15.839> some<00:16:16.000> of<00:16:16.079> this<00:16:16.320> might<00:16:16.480> be

systemic some of this might be

systemic some of this might be individual<00:16:17.279> failure<00:16:18.079> the<00:16:18.240> truth<00:16:18.560> is<00:16:18.720> at<00:16:18.800> the

individual failure the truth is at the

individual failure the truth is at the moment<00:16:19.199> we<00:16:19.360> simply<00:16:19.759> don't<00:16:20.000> know<00:16:20.320> we<00:16:20.480> will<00:16:20.639> have

moment we simply don't know we will have

moment we simply don't know we will have to<00:16:20.959> wait<00:16:21.199> for<00:16:21.360> the<00:16:21.519> inquiry<00:16:22.079> but<00:16:22.639> we've<00:16:22.880> had<00:16:23.040> a

to wait for the inquiry but we've had a

to wait for the inquiry but we've had a number<00:16:23.440> of<00:16:23.519> these<00:16:23.759> inquiries<00:16:24.240> and<00:16:24.399> a<00:16:24.480> number

number of these inquiries and a number

number of these inquiries and a number of<00:16:24.800> these<00:16:25.120> appalling<00:16:25.839> appalling<00:16:26.320> incidences

of these appalling appalling incidences

of these appalling appalling incidences you<00:16:27.600> know<00:16:27.759> baby<00:16:28.240> p<00:16:28.560> victoria<00:16:29.120> colombo<00:16:29.759> daniel

you know baby p victoria colombo daniel

you know baby p victoria colombo daniel pelker<00:16:31.120> quite<00:16:31.440> often

pelker quite often

pelker quite often um

um

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what has seemed to have happened is that

what has seemed to have happened is that warning<00:16:36.480> signs<00:16:37.040> are<00:16:37.600> are<00:16:37.759> not<00:16:38.000> picked<00:16:38.320> up<00:16:38.480> on

warning signs are are not picked up on

warning signs are are not picked up on um<00:16:39.680> it<00:16:39.759> was<00:16:39.920> definitely<00:16:40.240> the<00:16:40.320> case<00:16:40.560> with

um it was definitely the case with

um it was definitely the case with victoria<00:16:41.199> campbell<00:16:41.519> there<00:16:41.680> were<00:16:41.839> 17<00:16:42.800> specific

victoria campbell there were 17 specific

victoria campbell there were 17 specific instances<00:16:44.160> where<00:16:44.480> intervention<00:16:45.120> could<00:16:45.279> have

instances where intervention could have

instances where intervention could have perhaps<00:16:46.320> saved<00:16:46.639> her<00:16:46.800> life<00:16:47.360> daniel<00:16:47.839> pelker<00:16:48.480> the

perhaps saved her life daniel pelker the

perhaps saved her life daniel pelker the school<00:16:48.959> teachers<00:16:49.360> reported<00:16:49.759> him

school teachers reported him

school teachers reported him going<00:16:50.720> through<00:16:50.880> the<00:16:51.040> bins<00:16:51.440> looking<00:16:51.759> for<00:16:52.000> food

going through the bins looking for food

going through the bins looking for food and<00:16:52.959> again<00:16:53.440> with<00:16:53.600> this<00:16:53.920> case<00:16:54.160> we<00:16:54.320> hear<00:16:54.480> that

and again with this case we hear that

and again with this case we hear that people<00:16:55.120> the<00:16:55.279> uncle<00:16:55.600> and<00:16:55.680> the<00:16:55.839> grandmother

people the uncle and the grandmother

people the uncle and the grandmother both<00:16:56.560> raised<00:16:56.880> the<00:16:57.040> alarm<00:16:57.839> the<00:16:58.000> social

both raised the alarm the social

both raised the alarm the social services<00:16:58.880> were<00:16:59.040> involved<00:16:59.440> and<00:16:59.600> so<00:16:59.759> were<00:16:59.920> the

services were involved and so were the

services were involved and so were the police<00:17:00.560> so

police so

police so you<00:17:01.519> know<00:17:01.759> it's<00:17:02.320> too<00:17:02.560> early<00:17:02.880> to<00:17:03.040> say<00:17:03.360> it's<00:17:03.600> too

you know it's too early to say it's too

you know it's too early to say it's too early<00:17:04.000> to<00:17:04.160> rush<00:17:04.400> to<00:17:04.559> judgment<00:17:05.439> on<00:17:05.679> it<00:17:06.079> um

early to rush to judgment on it um

early to rush to judgment on it um but<00:17:07.439> you<00:17:07.520> know

but you know

but you know i<00:17:09.520> wonder<00:17:09.839> whether<00:17:10.160> resources<00:17:10.720> are<00:17:10.880> always

i wonder whether resources are always

i wonder whether resources are always the<00:17:11.360> answer<00:17:11.760> sometimes<00:17:12.319> it<00:17:12.480> is<00:17:12.640> either

the answer sometimes it is either

the answer sometimes it is either systemic<00:17:13.600> or<00:17:13.839> simply<00:17:14.240> individual<00:17:14.799> failure

systemic or simply individual failure

systemic or simply individual failure but<00:17:15.679> let's<00:17:15.919> not<00:17:16.079> rush<00:17:16.319> to<00:17:16.480> judgment<00:17:16.880> on<00:17:16.959> this

but let's not rush to judgment on this

but let's not rush to judgment on this terrible<00:17:17.520> terrible<00:17:17.919> case<00:17:18.240> we'll<00:17:18.400> just<00:17:19.039> have

terrible terrible case we'll just have

terrible terrible case we'll just have to<00:17:19.360> wait<00:17:19.600> and<00:17:19.760> see<00:17:20.319> how<00:17:20.480> the<00:17:20.640> inquiry<00:17:21.120> rolls

to wait and see how the inquiry rolls

to wait and see how the inquiry rolls out<00:17:21.839> okay

out okay

out okay let's<00:17:22.959> move<00:17:23.199> on<00:17:23.360> to<00:17:23.520> another<00:17:23.760> story<00:17:24.079> this<00:17:24.319> one

let's move on to another story this one

let's move on to another story this one is<00:17:24.640> in<00:17:24.880> the<00:17:25.199> sun<00:17:25.600> on<00:17:25.839> sunday<00:17:26.319> this<00:17:26.559> is<00:17:26.720> boris

is in the sun on sunday this is boris

is in the sun on sunday this is boris johnson<00:17:27.760> waging<00:17:28.240> a<00:17:28.480> war<00:17:28.960> on<00:17:29.200> drugs<00:17:29.600> he's<00:17:29.760> given

johnson waging a war on drugs he's given

johnson waging a war on drugs he's given an<00:17:30.160> interview<00:17:30.559> to<00:17:30.720> the<00:17:30.799> sun<00:17:31.039> in<00:17:31.120> sunday<00:17:31.520> which

an interview to the sun in sunday which

an interview to the sun in sunday which he<00:17:31.840> says<00:17:32.080> he<00:17:32.160> will<00:17:32.400> unleash

he says he will unleash

he says he will unleash a<00:17:33.520> war<00:17:33.760> on<00:17:33.840> drugs<00:17:34.240> next<00:17:34.480> week<00:17:34.799> in<00:17:34.960> fact<00:17:35.360> the

a war on drugs next week in fact the

a war on drugs next week in fact the paper<00:17:35.919> reports<00:17:36.320> he<00:17:36.480> will<00:17:36.720> unveil<00:17:37.120> a<00:17:37.360> 10-year

paper reports he will unveil a 10-year

paper reports he will unveil a 10-year plan<00:17:38.400> to<00:17:38.640> invest<00:17:39.039> millions<00:17:39.520> in<00:17:39.679> rehab<00:17:40.080> for

plan to invest millions in rehab for

plan to invest millions in rehab for addicts<00:17:41.200> coupled<00:17:41.520> with<00:17:41.679> harsher<00:17:42.000> penalties

addicts coupled with harsher penalties

addicts coupled with harsher penalties for<00:17:42.720> pushers<00:17:43.039> and<00:17:43.120> recreational<00:17:43.919> buyers<00:17:44.640> one

for pushers and recreational buyers one

for pushers and recreational buyers one eye-catching<00:17:45.600> measure<00:17:45.840> the<00:17:46.000> paper

eye-catching measure the paper

eye-catching measure the paper highlights<00:17:46.720> is<00:17:46.799> that<00:17:46.960> in<00:17:47.120> an<00:17:47.280> attempt<00:17:47.520> to

highlights is that in an attempt to

highlights is that in an attempt to target<00:17:48.080> middle-class<00:17:48.799> cocaine<00:17:49.760> users<00:17:50.559> courts

target middle-class cocaine users courts

target middle-class cocaine users courts will<00:17:51.039> be<00:17:51.120> given<00:17:51.440> powers<00:17:51.760> to<00:17:51.919> take<00:17:52.080> away

will be given powers to take away

will be given powers to take away passports<00:17:53.039> from<00:17:53.200> users<00:17:54.000> caught<00:17:54.240> with<00:17:54.480> class<00:17:54.799> a

passports from users caught with class a

passports from users caught with class a substances<00:17:55.760> the<00:17:55.919> paper<00:17:56.240> says<00:17:56.480> that<00:17:56.640> the<00:17:56.799> usual

substances the paper says that the usual

substances the paper says that the usual fines<00:17:57.520> aren't<00:17:57.679> much<00:17:57.919> of<00:17:58.000> a<00:17:58.080> deterrent<00:17:59.039> to

fines aren't much of a deterrent to

fines aren't much of a deterrent to well-off<00:17:59.679> people<00:18:00.240> who<00:18:00.480> might<00:18:00.720> pass<00:18:01.039> around

well-off people who might pass around

well-off people who might pass around cocaine<00:18:02.640> at<00:18:02.960> posh<00:18:03.360> parties<00:18:03.840> now<00:18:04.000> mr<00:18:04.240> johnson

cocaine at posh parties now mr johnson

cocaine at posh parties now mr johnson says<00:18:04.880> politicians<00:18:05.440> have<00:18:05.600> dithered<00:18:06.480> over<00:18:06.720> the

says politicians have dithered over the

says politicians have dithered over the scourge<00:18:07.520> for<00:18:07.679> too<00:18:07.919> long<00:18:08.320> sometimes<00:18:08.720> because

scourge for too long sometimes because

scourge for too long sometimes because they<00:18:09.200> once<00:18:09.520> dabbled<00:18:09.919> in<00:18:10.000> drugs<00:18:10.400> themselves

they once dabbled in drugs themselves

they once dabbled in drugs themselves and<00:18:11.200> don't<00:18:11.440> want<00:18:11.600> to<00:18:11.679> be<00:18:11.840> asked<00:18:12.080> about<00:18:12.480> it<00:18:13.039> the

and don't want to be asked about it the

and don't want to be asked about it the paper<00:18:13.760> reminds<00:18:14.160> us<00:18:14.320> that<00:18:14.400> mr<00:18:14.720> johnson<00:18:15.120> has

paper reminds us that mr johnson has

paper reminds us that mr johnson has previously<00:18:15.679> admitted<00:18:16.080> trying<00:18:16.320> cocaine<00:18:16.799> at

previously admitted trying cocaine at

previously admitted trying cocaine at university<00:18:17.760> but<00:18:17.919> he<00:18:18.080> said<00:18:18.240> it<00:18:18.400> made<00:18:18.559> him

university but he said it made him

university but he said it made him sneeze<00:18:19.280> and<00:18:19.440> had<00:18:19.760> no<00:18:20.000> effect

sneeze and had no effect

sneeze and had no effect uh<00:18:21.840> and<00:18:21.919> he's<00:18:22.160> one<00:18:22.400> of<00:18:22.559> uh<00:18:22.799> many<00:18:23.200> uh<00:18:23.440> cabinet

uh and he's one of uh many uh cabinet

uh and he's one of uh many uh cabinet ministers<00:18:24.320> that<00:18:24.480> have<00:18:24.640> admitted<00:18:25.440> to<00:18:25.760> drug<00:18:26.640> use

ministers that have admitted to drug use

ministers that have admitted to drug use um<00:18:28.000> gary

um gary

um gary the<00:18:29.039> war<00:18:29.360> on<00:18:29.440> drugs<00:18:30.160> i<00:18:30.240> mean<00:18:30.720> i<00:18:30.880> think<00:18:31.120> i<00:18:31.200> can

the war on drugs i mean i think i can

the war on drugs i mean i think i can remember<00:18:31.840> that<00:18:32.000> phrase<00:18:32.640> from<00:18:33.039> the<00:18:33.440> reagan<00:18:34.080> era

remember that phrase from the reagan era

remember that phrase from the reagan era in<00:18:34.799> the<00:18:35.039> 80s

in the 80s

in the 80s i<00:18:36.799> think<00:18:36.960> we<00:18:37.120> can<00:18:37.440> safely<00:18:37.919> say<00:18:38.080> that<00:18:38.240> the<00:18:38.320> war

i think we can safely say that the war

i think we can safely say that the war on<00:18:38.640> drugs<00:18:38.960> has<00:18:39.039> been<00:18:39.280> an

on drugs has been an

on drugs has been an a<00:18:40.320> complete<00:18:40.880> failure<00:18:42.160> in<00:18:42.559> in<00:18:42.960> the<00:18:43.200> decades

a complete failure in in the decades

a complete failure in in the decades that<00:18:44.000> has<00:18:44.320> it's<00:18:44.559> been

that has it's been

that has it's been uh<00:18:46.080> in<00:18:46.320> action

uh in action

uh in action where<00:18:47.440> we<00:18:47.679> are<00:18:47.840> seeing<00:18:48.160> improvement<00:18:48.720> in

where we are seeing improvement in

where we are seeing improvement in countries<00:18:49.200> like<00:18:49.440> portugal<00:18:50.000> for<00:18:50.160> example<00:18:51.120> is

countries like portugal for example is

countries like portugal for example is when

when

when there<00:18:52.400> is<00:18:52.640> a<00:18:52.880> different<00:18:53.360> tact<00:18:53.840> to<00:18:54.160> tackling

there is a different tact to tackling

there is a different tact to tackling drug<00:18:55.600> issues<00:18:56.320> some<00:18:56.480> of<00:18:56.640> them<00:18:57.120> by<00:18:57.280> taking<00:18:57.600> away

drug issues some of them by taking away

drug issues some of them by taking away the<00:18:57.919> criminal<00:18:58.400> element<00:18:58.799> of<00:18:58.960> drug<00:18:59.280> use<00:19:00.000> some

the criminal element of drug use some

the criminal element of drug use some more<00:19:00.480> progressive<00:19:01.360> thinking<00:19:01.919> around<00:19:02.480> drug

more progressive thinking around drug

more progressive thinking around drug use<00:19:03.200> rather<00:19:03.600> than<00:19:04.080> the<00:19:04.320> same<00:19:04.559> old<00:19:04.960> same<00:19:05.200> old

use rather than the same old same old

use rather than the same old same old war<00:19:05.919> and<00:19:06.080> drugs<00:19:06.400> we're<00:19:06.559> going<00:19:06.640> to<00:19:06.799> come<00:19:07.039> down

war and drugs we're going to come down

war and drugs we're going to come down hard<00:19:07.840> and<00:19:07.919> stop<00:19:08.160> it<00:19:08.320> i<00:19:08.400> mean<00:19:08.480> the<00:19:08.640> one<00:19:08.960> fact

hard and stop it i mean the one fact

hard and stop it i mean the one fact that<00:19:09.360> you<00:19:09.600> will<00:19:09.840> not<00:19:10.000> be<00:19:10.240> able<00:19:10.400> to<00:19:10.480> stop<00:19:10.799> is

that you will not be able to stop is

that you will not be able to stop is that<00:19:11.039> people<00:19:11.760> will<00:19:12.160> use<00:19:12.480> drugs

that people will use drugs

that people will use drugs recreationally<00:19:14.080> and<00:19:14.240> no<00:19:14.480> amount<00:19:14.799> of

recreationally and no amount of

recreationally and no amount of legislation<00:19:16.080> and<00:19:16.320> measures<00:19:16.720> that<00:19:16.799> you<00:19:16.960> can

legislation and measures that you can

legislation and measures that you can take<00:19:17.360> is<00:19:17.520> ever<00:19:17.679> going<00:19:17.840> to<00:19:18.000> stop<00:19:18.240> that<00:19:18.480> really

take is ever going to stop that really

take is ever going to stop that really yeah<00:19:20.559> i<00:19:20.720> mean<00:19:21.280> you<00:19:21.360> know<00:19:21.520> i've<00:19:21.600> said<00:19:21.919> i<00:19:22.160> grew<00:19:22.240> up

yeah i mean you know i've said i grew up

yeah i mean you know i've said i grew up in<00:19:22.400> emporia<00:19:22.799> over<00:19:22.960> east<00:19:23.039> london<00:19:23.360> and<00:19:23.520> you<00:19:23.600> know

in emporia over east london and you know

in emporia over east london and you know there<00:19:23.919> was<00:19:24.080> a<00:19:24.080> lot<00:19:24.240> of<00:19:24.320> cannabis<00:19:24.720> use<00:19:25.039> around

there was a lot of cannabis use around

there was a lot of cannabis use around me<00:19:25.600> in<00:19:25.679> the<00:19:25.760> area<00:19:26.000> i<00:19:26.080> grew<00:19:26.240> up<00:19:26.400> and<00:19:26.720> i've<00:19:26.799> seen

me in the area i grew up and i've seen

me in the area i grew up and i've seen the<00:19:27.120> damage<00:19:27.679> that<00:19:28.000> it<00:19:28.080> can<00:19:28.240> do<00:19:28.400> to<00:19:28.559> people<00:19:28.880> and

the damage that it can do to people and

the damage that it can do to people and to<00:19:29.120> families<00:19:29.440> and<00:19:29.520> people's<00:19:29.840> lives<00:19:30.240> and<00:19:30.400> uh

to families and people's lives and uh

to families and people's lives and uh you<00:19:30.880> know<00:19:31.039> after<00:19:31.280> that<00:19:31.360> i<00:19:31.440> went<00:19:31.600> to<00:19:31.679> work<00:19:31.840> in

you know after that i went to work in

you know after that i went to work in the<00:19:32.080> city<00:19:32.320> for<00:19:32.480> five<00:19:32.720> years<00:19:33.360> so<00:19:33.520> then<00:19:33.679> i've

the city for five years so then i've

the city for five years so then i've seen<00:19:34.000> the<00:19:34.080> damage<00:19:34.400> that<00:19:34.559> cocaine<00:19:34.880> can<00:19:35.039> do<00:19:35.200> to

seen the damage that cocaine can do to

seen the damage that cocaine can do to people<00:19:35.600> as<00:19:35.679> well<00:19:36.000> like<00:19:36.240> it's<00:19:36.480> people<00:19:36.640> from

people as well like it's people from

people as well like it's people from totally<00:19:37.120> different<00:19:37.360> backgrounds<00:19:37.760> in<00:19:37.840> totally

totally different backgrounds in totally

totally different backgrounds in totally different<00:19:38.320> spaces<00:19:38.720> so<00:19:38.880> like<00:19:39.520> what<00:19:39.679> you<00:19:39.760> have

different spaces so like what you have

different spaces so like what you have is<00:19:40.160> people<00:19:40.400> from<00:19:40.559> very<00:19:40.720> different

is people from very different

is people from very different backgrounds<00:19:41.280> using<00:19:41.520> drugs<00:19:41.760> for<00:19:41.840> very

backgrounds using drugs for very

backgrounds using drugs for very different<00:19:42.240> reasons<00:19:42.960> um

different reasons um

different reasons um you<00:19:43.919> know<00:19:44.000> i<00:19:44.160> think<00:19:44.559> the<00:19:44.720> statistics<00:19:45.200> show<00:19:45.440> us

you know i think the statistics show us

you know i think the statistics show us that<00:19:45.679> this<00:19:45.919> sort<00:19:46.080> of

that this sort of

that this sort of this<00:19:47.039> sort<00:19:47.200> of<00:19:47.280> language<00:19:47.679> war<00:19:47.919> on<00:19:48.000> drugs

this sort of language war on drugs

this sort of language war on drugs clamped<00:19:48.480> down<00:19:48.720> on<00:19:48.799> drugs<00:19:49.120> it<00:19:49.520> hasn't<00:19:49.919> tended

clamped down on drugs it hasn't tended

clamped down on drugs it hasn't tended to<00:19:50.400> be<00:19:50.640> effective<00:19:51.600> um<00:19:52.320> for<00:19:52.480> me<00:19:52.720> personally

to be effective um for me personally

to be effective um for me personally having<00:19:53.360> seen<00:19:53.600> so<00:19:53.760> much<00:19:53.919> drugs<00:19:54.160> around<00:19:54.400> me<00:19:54.559> i

having seen so much drugs around me i

having seen so much drugs around me i think<00:19:54.880> you<00:19:54.960> need<00:19:55.039> to<00:19:55.120> look<00:19:55.280> at<00:19:55.360> the<00:19:55.440> reasons

think you need to look at the reasons

think you need to look at the reasons why<00:19:55.840> people<00:19:56.080> are<00:19:56.160> doing<00:19:56.400> this<00:19:56.720> often<00:19:57.039> there's

why people are doing this often there's

why people are doing this often there's mental<00:19:57.520> health<00:19:58.080> reasons<00:19:58.400> in<00:19:58.480> the<00:19:58.559> background

mental health reasons in the background

mental health reasons in the background um<00:19:59.760> you<00:19:59.840> know<00:20:00.000> often<00:20:00.240> especially<00:20:00.559> when<00:20:00.720> people

um you know often especially when people

um you know often especially when people come<00:20:01.039> from<00:20:01.200> poverty<00:20:01.600> you<00:20:01.679> know

come from poverty you know

come from poverty you know at<00:20:02.880> the<00:20:03.039> moment<00:20:03.280> we've<00:20:03.440> seen<00:20:03.600> a<00:20:03.679> situation

at the moment we've seen a situation

at the moment we've seen a situation where

where

where people's<00:20:05.440> financial<00:20:05.840> lives<00:20:06.000> are<00:20:06.080> getting

people's financial lives are getting

people's financial lives are getting more<00:20:06.320> and<00:20:06.400> more<00:20:06.640> difficult<00:20:07.120> what<00:20:07.280> i<00:20:07.360> see<00:20:07.520> a<00:20:07.520> lot

more and more difficult what i see a lot

more and more difficult what i see a lot of<00:20:07.760> in<00:20:07.840> london<00:20:08.320> is<00:20:08.480> young<00:20:08.720> men<00:20:08.880> being<00:20:09.120> told<00:20:09.360> you

of in london is young men being told you

of in london is young men being told you need<00:20:09.600> to<00:20:09.679> make<00:20:09.840> money<00:20:10.000> and<00:20:10.080> get<00:20:10.240> rich<00:20:10.640> but

need to make money and get rich but

need to make money and get rich but there's<00:20:11.039> no<00:20:11.200> opportunity<00:20:11.600> for<00:20:11.760> them<00:20:11.919> to<00:20:12.000> do

there's no opportunity for them to do

there's no opportunity for them to do that<00:20:12.480> and<00:20:12.559> this<00:20:12.799> is<00:20:12.880> causing<00:20:13.200> these<00:20:13.280> guys<00:20:13.440> to

that and this is causing these guys to

that and this is causing these guys to get<00:20:13.679> so<00:20:13.840> stressed<00:20:14.240> out<00:20:14.320> they're<00:20:14.480> looking<00:20:14.640> for

get so stressed out they're looking for

get so stressed out they're looking for any<00:20:14.880> kind<00:20:15.120> of<00:20:15.200> release<00:20:15.840> so<00:20:16.000> to<00:20:16.159> be<00:20:16.320> honest<00:20:16.559> i

any kind of release so to be honest i

any kind of release so to be honest i mean<00:20:16.880> i<00:20:16.960> think<00:20:17.520> it's<00:20:17.679> a<00:20:17.919> little<00:20:18.080> bit<00:20:18.159> of

mean i think it's a little bit of

mean i think it's a little bit of political<00:20:18.640> point<00:20:18.880> scoring<00:20:19.200> because<00:20:19.440> he<00:20:19.520> knows

political point scoring because he knows

political point scoring because he knows it'll<00:20:19.919> work<00:20:20.080> well<00:20:20.320> with<00:20:20.400> some<00:20:20.640> people<00:20:20.880> who

it'll work well with some people who

it'll work well with some people who like<00:20:21.200> the<00:20:21.280> idea<00:20:21.520> of<00:20:21.600> tough<00:20:21.840> on<00:20:22.000> drugs<00:20:22.640> it's<00:20:22.880> not

like the idea of tough on drugs it's not

like the idea of tough on drugs it's not working<00:20:23.840> if<00:20:24.000> you're<00:20:24.159> not<00:20:24.240> dealing<00:20:24.559> with<00:20:24.640> the

working if you're not dealing with the

working if you're not dealing with the actual<00:20:24.960> fundamental<00:20:25.440> issues<00:20:25.760> that<00:20:26.000> happen<00:20:26.240> in

actual fundamental issues that happen in

actual fundamental issues that happen in people's<00:20:26.640> lives<00:20:27.360> i<00:20:27.520> don't<00:20:27.679> think<00:20:27.760> you're

people's lives i don't think you're

people's lives i don't think you're going<00:20:27.919> to<00:20:28.000> make<00:20:28.159> any<00:20:28.400> progress

going to make any progress

going to make any progress kirsty<00:20:30.480> i<00:20:30.640> want<00:20:30.799> to<00:20:30.880> pick<00:20:31.039> your<00:20:31.280> brains<00:20:31.679> on

kirsty i want to pick your brains on

kirsty i want to pick your brains on this<00:20:32.080> because<00:20:32.320> the<00:20:32.480> sunday<00:20:33.039> times<00:20:33.520> today

this because the sunday times today

this because the sunday times today reports<00:20:34.320> that<00:20:34.640> sniffer<00:20:35.120> dogs<00:20:35.600> could<00:20:35.840> prowl

reports that sniffer dogs could prowl

reports that sniffer dogs could prowl the<00:20:36.400> corridors<00:20:36.960> of<00:20:37.120> westminster<00:20:37.760> amid<00:20:38.080> fears

the corridors of westminster amid fears

the corridors of westminster amid fears that<00:20:38.559> cannabis<00:20:39.039> and<00:20:39.200> cocaine<00:20:39.919> are<00:20:40.159> openly

that cannabis and cocaine are openly

that cannabis and cocaine are openly used<00:20:41.200> on<00:20:41.280> the<00:20:41.440> parliamentary<00:20:42.080> estate<00:20:42.640> it<00:20:42.720> says

used on the parliamentary estate it says

used on the parliamentary estate it says speaker<00:20:43.440> lindsey<00:20:43.840> hoyle<00:20:44.240> sir<00:20:44.480> lindsey<00:20:44.799> hoyle

speaker lindsey hoyle sir lindsey hoyle

speaker lindsey hoyle sir lindsey hoyle is<00:20:45.679> investigating<00:20:46.320> westminster<00:20:46.880> drug

is investigating westminster drug

is investigating westminster drug culture<00:20:47.600> after<00:20:47.840> traces<00:20:48.240> of<00:20:48.400> cocaine<00:20:49.120> were

culture after traces of cocaine were

culture after traces of cocaine were detected<00:20:50.159> an<00:20:50.320> anonymous<00:20:50.799> special<00:20:51.120> adviser

detected an anonymous special adviser

detected an anonymous special adviser tells<00:20:52.000> the<00:20:52.080> paper<00:20:52.320> that<00:20:52.559> everyone<00:20:53.120> knows<00:20:53.760> who

tells the paper that everyone knows who

tells the paper that everyone knows who in<00:20:54.159> westminster<00:20:54.880> is<00:20:55.039> taking<00:20:55.360> drugs<00:20:56.000> and<00:20:56.240> which

in westminster is taking drugs and which

in westminster is taking drugs and which offices<00:20:57.200> to<00:20:57.360> visit<00:20:57.679> to<00:20:57.919> buy<00:20:58.559> a<00:20:58.799> joint<00:20:59.360> now<00:20:59.679> in

offices to visit to buy a joint now in

offices to visit to buy a joint now in your<00:21:00.000> previous<00:21:00.640> role<00:21:01.280> of<00:21:02.480> of<00:21:02.720> uh<00:21:02.960> you<00:21:03.120> know

your previous role of of uh you know

your previous role of of uh you know working<00:21:03.600> in<00:21:03.760> the<00:21:03.840> papers<00:21:04.640> uh<00:21:05.039> and<00:21:05.200> the<00:21:05.280> sunday

working in the papers uh and the sunday

working in the papers uh and the sunday express<00:21:06.159> going<00:21:06.480> up<00:21:06.559> and<00:21:06.720> down<00:21:06.880> the<00:21:07.120> corridors

express going up and down the corridors

express going up and down the corridors of<00:21:07.679> the<00:21:07.760> palace<00:21:08.080> of<00:21:08.159> westminster

of the palace of westminster

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was was there a sort of a common

was was there a sort of a common knowledge<00:21:12.080> that<00:21:12.480> drugs<00:21:12.960> were<00:21:13.120> being<00:21:13.440> used<00:21:13.919> and

knowledge that drugs were being used and

knowledge that drugs were being used and on<00:21:14.240> the<00:21:14.880> palaces<00:21:15.280> of<00:21:15.440> westminster<00:21:16.080> on<00:21:16.159> the

on the palaces of westminster on the

on the palaces of westminster on the estate

estate

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uh yeah is it is a brutal crime oh there

uh yeah is it is a brutal crime oh there we<00:21:19.919> go

we go

we go i<00:21:20.799> mean<00:21:21.200> not<00:21:21.440> not<00:21:21.600> to<00:21:21.760> the<00:21:21.840> point<00:21:22.000> where<00:21:22.159> i'd

i mean not not to the point where i'd

i mean not not to the point where i'd say<00:21:22.559> you<00:21:22.720> know<00:21:22.880> turn<00:21:23.200> right<00:21:23.760> on<00:21:23.919> the<00:21:24.000> fourth

say you know turn right on the fourth

say you know turn right on the fourth floor<00:21:24.720> you<00:21:24.880> can<00:21:25.120> score<00:21:25.440> a<00:21:25.600> joint<00:21:25.919> from<00:21:26.480> you

floor you can score a joint from you

floor you can score a joint from you know<00:21:26.799> room<00:21:27.120> 20<00:21:27.440> whatever<00:21:27.919> but<00:21:28.559> um

know room 20 whatever but um

know room 20 whatever but um but<00:21:29.600> yes<00:21:29.919> i<00:21:30.080> mean<00:21:30.400> you<00:21:30.640> knew<00:21:30.880> who<00:21:31.120> was<00:21:31.520> who<00:21:31.679> was

but yes i mean you knew who was who was

but yes i mean you knew who was who was who<00:21:32.320> was<00:21:32.559> using<00:21:32.880> and<00:21:32.960> who<00:21:33.200> wasn't<00:21:33.760> um<00:21:34.400> it<00:21:34.559> was

who was using and who wasn't um it was

who was using and who wasn't um it was pretty<00:21:35.039> common<00:21:35.360> knowledge<00:21:35.600> and<00:21:35.760> it<00:21:35.840> was

pretty common knowledge and it was

pretty common knowledge and it was pretty<00:21:36.159> common<00:21:36.480> knowledge<00:21:36.880> that<00:21:37.520> you<00:21:37.600> know

pretty common knowledge that you know

pretty common knowledge that you know you<00:21:38.159> know<00:21:38.640> there<00:21:38.799> was<00:21:38.960> quite<00:21:39.200> a<00:21:39.280> sort<00:21:39.440> of<00:21:39.520> drug

you know there was quite a sort of drug

you know there was quite a sort of drug culture<00:21:40.159> there<00:21:40.480> but<00:21:41.039> i<00:21:41.200> think<00:21:41.600> you<00:21:41.679> know<00:21:42.000> and

culture there but i think you know and

culture there but i think you know and this<00:21:42.320> is<00:21:42.400> the<00:21:42.559> interesting<00:21:42.960> thing<00:21:43.200> about<00:21:43.520> coke

this is the interesting thing about coke

this is the interesting thing about coke and<00:21:44.080> and<00:21:44.400> and<00:21:44.640> the<00:21:44.799> interesting<00:21:45.200> thing<00:21:45.360> i

and and and the interesting thing i

and and and the interesting thing i think<00:21:45.600> for<00:21:45.760> me<00:21:45.919> about<00:21:46.159> this<00:21:46.400> interview

think for me about this interview

think for me about this interview there<00:21:48.559> is

there is

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very few things get my goat more than

very few things get my goat more than upper<00:21:52.320> middle-class<00:21:53.039> people<00:21:53.840> snorting<00:21:54.320> a

upper middle-class people snorting a

upper middle-class people snorting a line<00:21:54.640> of<00:21:54.720> coke<00:21:54.960> at<00:21:55.120> a<00:21:55.200> party<00:21:56.159> or<00:21:56.400> in<00:21:56.559> the<00:21:56.720> pub<00:21:57.120> or

line of coke at a party or in the pub or

line of coke at a party or in the pub or whatever<00:21:58.320> then<00:21:58.559> go<00:21:58.880> home<00:21:59.280> and<00:21:59.520> you<00:21:59.600> know<00:22:00.080> have

whatever then go home and you know have

whatever then go home and you know have their<00:22:00.559> fair<00:22:00.880> trade<00:22:01.280> cups<00:22:01.600> of<00:22:01.760> tea<00:22:02.000> and<00:22:02.159> their

their fair trade cups of tea and their

their fair trade cups of tea and their organic<00:22:02.880> bananas<00:22:03.679> and<00:22:03.840> eat<00:22:04.000> their<00:22:04.240> quinoa<00:22:04.960> and

organic bananas and eat their quinoa and

organic bananas and eat their quinoa and worry<00:22:05.760> about<00:22:06.080> the<00:22:06.240> world<00:22:07.120> and<00:22:07.360> see<00:22:07.760> no<00:22:08.000> link

worry about the world and see no link

worry about the world and see no link between<00:22:08.720> the<00:22:08.799> line<00:22:09.039> of<00:22:09.200> coke<00:22:09.520> they've<00:22:09.760> just

between the line of coke they've just

between the line of coke they've just snorted<00:22:11.120> and<00:22:11.280> the<00:22:11.440> kids<00:22:11.679> bleeding<00:22:12.080> out<00:22:12.240> on<00:22:12.320> the

snorted and the kids bleeding out on the

snorted and the kids bleeding out on the streets<00:22:12.720> of<00:22:12.880> london<00:22:13.360> and<00:22:13.520> liverpool<00:22:14.080> and

streets of london and liverpool and

streets of london and liverpool and manchester<00:22:15.280> the<00:22:15.520> county<00:22:15.919> lines<00:22:16.240> and<00:22:16.320> the

manchester the county lines and the

manchester the county lines and the human<00:22:16.880> misery<00:22:17.280> that<00:22:17.440> that<00:22:17.679> causes<00:22:18.640> now<00:22:19.200> i

human misery that that causes now i

human misery that that causes now i don't<00:22:19.600> know<00:22:19.840> if<00:22:20.000> you<00:22:20.080> can<00:22:20.240> legislate<00:22:20.799> against

don't know if you can legislate against

don't know if you can legislate against middle<00:22:21.679> class<00:22:22.000> people's<00:22:22.400> inability<00:22:23.120> to<00:22:23.280> see

middle class people's inability to see

middle class people's inability to see you<00:22:24.080> know<00:22:24.559> how<00:22:24.799> with<00:22:25.039> one<00:22:25.360> hand<00:22:25.840> they<00:22:26.080> think

you know how with one hand they think

you know how with one hand they think that<00:22:26.400> they're<00:22:26.640> saving<00:22:26.960> the<00:22:27.120> world<00:22:27.280> and<00:22:27.440> on<00:22:27.520> the

that they're saving the world and on the

that they're saving the world and on the other<00:22:27.840> they<00:22:28.000> don't<00:22:28.240> care<00:22:28.480> about<00:22:28.960> kids<00:22:29.280> dying

other they don't care about kids dying

other they don't care about kids dying on<00:22:29.679> their<00:22:29.919> own<00:22:30.080> streets<00:22:30.880> but<00:22:31.039> what<00:22:31.200> i<00:22:31.280> would

on their own streets but what i would

on their own streets but what i would like<00:22:31.760> to<00:22:31.919> see<00:22:32.320> is<00:22:32.559> influencers<00:22:33.679> in

like to see is influencers in

like to see is influencers in westminster<00:22:34.960> in<00:22:35.120> the<00:22:35.280> music<00:22:35.760> industry<00:22:36.640> in<00:22:36.960> you

westminster in the music industry in you

westminster in the music industry in you know<00:22:37.280> entertainment<00:22:37.919> industry<00:22:38.320> where

know entertainment industry where

know entertainment industry where cocaine<00:22:38.960> is<00:22:39.039> arrived<00:22:39.760> taking<00:22:40.159> a<00:22:40.240> stand

cocaine is arrived taking a stand

cocaine is arrived taking a stand against<00:22:40.799> this<00:22:41.039> and<00:22:41.120> beginning<00:22:41.440> to<00:22:41.600> shame

against this and beginning to shame

against this and beginning to shame people<00:22:42.640> who<00:22:42.799> just<00:22:43.039> stop<00:22:43.360> using<00:22:43.679> it<00:22:43.840> because<00:22:44.080> it

people who just stop using it because it

people who just stop using it because it it<00:22:44.799> is<00:22:45.360> utterly<00:22:45.760> destroying<00:22:46.720> some<00:22:46.880> of<00:22:46.960> the<00:22:47.280> you

it is utterly destroying some of the you

it is utterly destroying some of the you know<00:22:47.679> some<00:22:47.840> of<00:22:48.000> our<00:22:48.159> estates<00:22:48.880> some<00:22:49.039> of<00:22:49.120> the

know some of our estates some of the

know some of our estates some of the families<00:22:50.000> and<00:22:50.240> half<00:22:50.559> of<00:22:50.640> the<00:22:50.720> drug<00:22:51.039> problems

families and half of the drug problems

families and half of the drug problems in<00:22:51.600> our<00:22:51.760> country<00:22:52.320> are<00:22:52.480> caused<00:22:53.280> by<00:22:53.679> you<00:22:53.760> know

in our country are caused by you know

in our country are caused by you know upper<00:22:54.240> middle<00:22:54.480> class<00:22:54.799> people<00:22:55.360> who<00:22:55.600> think<00:22:55.760> that

upper middle class people who think that

upper middle class people who think that they<00:22:56.159> are<00:22:56.400> you<00:22:56.480> know<00:22:56.720> worthier<00:22:57.200> than<00:22:57.440> now<00:22:57.919> and

they are you know worthier than now and

they are you know worthier than now and holy<00:22:58.480> and<00:22:58.640> now<00:22:59.200> who<00:22:59.440> care<00:22:59.679> about<00:22:59.919> fair<00:23:00.240> trade

holy and now who care about fair trade

holy and now who care about fair trade and<00:23:01.120> and<00:23:01.360> free<00:23:01.679> range<00:23:02.080> eggs<00:23:02.400> i<00:23:02.720> don't<00:23:02.960> care

and and free range eggs i don't care

and and free range eggs i don't care about<00:23:03.360> kids<00:23:03.600> bleeding<00:23:04.000> out<00:23:04.080> on<00:23:04.159> our<00:23:04.240> street

about kids bleeding out on our street

about kids bleeding out on our street from<00:23:04.720> it<00:23:05.200> absolutely<00:23:05.760> gets<00:23:06.000> my<00:23:06.159> goat<00:23:06.480> okay

from it absolutely gets my goat okay

from it absolutely gets my goat okay and<00:23:07.760> but<00:23:08.000> do<00:23:08.240> you<00:23:08.559> think<00:23:09.200> that<00:23:09.520> a<00:23:09.760> war<00:23:10.159> on<00:23:10.320> drugs

and but do you think that a war on drugs

and but do you think that a war on drugs as<00:23:11.200> described<00:23:11.760> in<00:23:11.840> the<00:23:11.919> prime<00:23:12.080> minister's

as described in the prime minister's

as described in the prime minister's interview<00:23:13.039> in<00:23:13.120> the<00:23:13.280> sun<00:23:13.840> on<00:23:14.159> sunday

interview in the sun on sunday

interview in the sun on sunday is<00:23:15.600> going<00:23:15.760> to<00:23:15.919> be<00:23:16.080> the<00:23:16.240> solution<00:23:16.640> on<00:23:16.720> this<00:23:16.880> i