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the Catalyst for leaving my job was

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realizing that my work was being really

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skilled and doing well at my work was

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having an impact a detrimental impact on

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our economy and specifically depriving

our economy and specifically depriving our<00:00:16.560> government<00:00:16.800> and<00:00:17.340> probably<00:00:17.520> some

our government and probably some

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governments around the world

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um you know when dealing with

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International clients depriving those

International clients depriving those governments<00:00:23.640> of<00:00:23.760> their<00:00:24.000> ability<00:00:24.240> to<00:00:24.600> raise

governments of their ability to raise

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taxes the correct amount of Revenue to

taxes the correct amount of Revenue to invest<00:00:27.840> in<00:00:27.960> public<00:00:28.199> services

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okay so you did that for a few years a

okay so you did that for a few years a good<00:00:36.540> 10<00:00:36.719> years

good 10 years

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10 years yeah and then you decided that

10 years yeah and then you decided that you<00:00:40.680> didn't<00:00:40.800> want<00:00:40.920> to<00:00:40.980> do<00:00:41.040> that<00:00:41.160> anymore<00:00:41.280> yeah

you didn't want to do that anymore yeah

you didn't want to do that anymore yeah after<00:00:42.059> my<00:00:42.300> road<00:00:42.540> to<00:00:42.719> Damascus<00:00:43.140> moment<00:00:43.559> so<00:00:43.980> what

after my road to Damascus moment so what

after my road to Damascus moment so what are<00:00:44.219> you<00:00:44.280> doing<00:00:44.399> now

are you doing now

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so I I basically started to get an idea

so I I basically started to get an idea for<00:00:49.620> an<00:00:49.800> alternative<00:00:50.340> form<00:00:50.700> of

for an alternative form of

for an alternative form of um<00:00:51.840> wealth<00:00:52.800> advice<00:00:53.340> which<00:00:54.000> is<00:00:54.059> more

um wealth advice which is more

um wealth advice which is more Progressive

Progressive

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which is all about supporting

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individuals who have really strong

individuals who have really strong values<00:00:59.640> and<00:01:00.480> who<00:01:00.660> have<00:01:00.840> wealth<00:01:01.199> want<00:01:01.440> to<00:01:01.620> do

values and who have wealth want to do

values and who have wealth want to do something<00:01:01.920> really<00:01:02.219> powerful<00:01:02.640> with<00:01:02.879> it<00:01:03.000> to

something really powerful with it to

something really powerful with it to transform<00:01:03.600> the<00:01:03.840> world<00:01:04.019> to<00:01:04.979> try<00:01:05.100> and<00:01:05.220> solve

transform the world to try and solve

transform the world to try and solve some<00:01:05.700> of<00:01:05.820> our<00:01:05.939> most

some of our most

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um complex challenges as a society in a

um complex challenges as a society in a global<00:01:10.200> community

global community

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so essentially I set up the good

so essentially I set up the good ancestor<00:01:13.140> movement

ancestor movement

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and we work with private clients so

and we work with private clients so individuals<00:01:17.880> and<00:01:18.119> families<00:01:18.479> we<00:01:18.780> support<00:01:18.960> them

individuals and families we support them

individuals and families we support them with<00:01:19.439> their<00:01:19.619> wealth<00:01:19.920> planning

with their wealth planning

with their wealth planning um and<00:01:21.840> we<00:01:22.020> help<00:01:22.140> them<00:01:22.320> to<00:01:22.500> kind<00:01:22.680> of<00:01:22.740> Center

um and we help them to kind of Center

um and we help them to kind of Center redistribution<00:01:24.740> so<00:01:25.740> in<00:01:26.520> the<00:01:26.640> private<00:01:26.880> wealth

redistribution so in the private wealth

redistribution so in the private wealth industry<00:01:27.720> which<00:01:28.259> comprises<00:01:29.040> you<00:01:29.520> know

industry which comprises you know

industry which comprises you know Private<00:01:30.000> Client<00:01:30.240> lawyers<00:01:30.659> like<00:01:30.960> myself

Private Client lawyers like myself

Private Client lawyers like myself accountants<00:01:33.299> different<00:01:33.720> tax<00:01:34.020> advisors

accountants different tax advisors

accountants different tax advisors private<00:01:35.820> bankers

private bankers

private bankers that<00:01:37.920> that<00:01:38.100> whole<00:01:38.579> industry<00:01:39.119> is<00:01:39.479> effectively

that that whole industry is effectively

that that whole industry is effectively a<00:01:40.140> system<00:01:40.320> which<00:01:40.680> is<00:01:40.799> designed<00:01:41.220> to<00:01:41.460> perpetuate

a system which is designed to perpetuate

a system which is designed to perpetuate wealth<00:01:42.720> accumulation<00:01:43.700> so<00:01:44.700> this<00:01:44.880> is<00:01:44.880> kind<00:01:45.420> of

wealth accumulation so this is kind of

wealth accumulation so this is kind of underlying<00:01:46.619> narrative<00:01:47.040> which

underlying narrative which

underlying narrative which um<00:01:48.479> essentially<00:01:49.200> legitimizes<00:01:50.040> the<00:01:50.399> continued

um essentially legitimizes the continued

um essentially legitimizes the continued accumulation<00:01:51.240> of<00:01:51.479> wealth<00:01:51.780> even<00:01:52.020> if<00:01:52.259> it's

accumulation of wealth even if it's

accumulation of wealth even if it's excessive<00:01:52.979> and<00:01:53.579> kind<00:01:53.700> of<00:01:53.820> assumes<00:01:54.299> that<00:01:54.659> most

excessive and kind of assumes that most

excessive and kind of assumes that most wealthy<00:01:56.340> people<00:01:56.520> want<00:01:57.000> to<00:01:57.180> keep<00:01:57.299> accumulating

wealthy people want to keep accumulating

wealthy people want to keep accumulating wealth<00:01:58.320> at<00:01:58.439> all<00:01:58.619> costs

wealth at all costs

wealth at all costs and<00:02:00.119> the<00:02:00.240> other<00:02:00.360> narrative<00:02:00.780> is<00:02:01.020> that<00:02:01.200> tax<00:02:01.439> is

and the other narrative is that tax is

and the other narrative is that tax is essentially<00:02:02.100> synonymous<00:02:02.579> with<00:02:02.820> waste<00:02:03.299> so<00:02:03.659> tax

essentially synonymous with waste so tax

essentially synonymous with waste so tax is<00:02:05.340> essentially<00:02:05.700> waste<00:02:06.180> and<00:02:06.299> we<00:02:06.420> talk<00:02:06.540> a<00:02:06.719> lot

is essentially waste and we talk a lot

is essentially waste and we talk a lot about<00:02:06.960> tax<00:02:07.560> efficiency<00:02:08.099> and<00:02:08.759> tax<00:02:09.239> mitigation

about tax efficiency and tax mitigation

about tax efficiency and tax mitigation strategies<00:02:10.500> and<00:02:10.800> that<00:02:10.979> kind<00:02:11.039> of<00:02:11.160> thing<00:02:11.220> and

strategies and that kind of thing and

strategies and that kind of thing and it's<00:02:11.580> all<00:02:11.879> about<00:02:12.080> reducing<00:02:13.080> the<00:02:13.260> amount<00:02:13.440> of

it's all about reducing the amount of

it's all about reducing the amount of tax<00:02:13.800> that<00:02:14.099> you<00:02:14.280> could<00:02:14.400> possibly<00:02:14.879> be<00:02:15.180> exposed

tax that you could possibly be exposed

tax that you could possibly be exposed to<00:02:15.900> as<00:02:16.200> a<00:02:16.319> wealthy<00:02:16.680> person

to as a wealthy person

to as a wealthy person so<00:02:17.700> a<00:02:17.940> good<00:02:18.060> answer<00:02:18.180> to<00:02:18.480> me<00:02:18.599> but<00:02:18.840> it<00:02:18.959> flips<00:02:19.260> that

so a good answer to me but it flips that

so a good answer to me but it flips that and<00:02:19.860> essentially<00:02:20.340> we<00:02:20.520> help<00:02:20.760> people

and essentially we help people

and essentially we help people align<00:02:22.680> their<00:02:22.800> wealth<00:02:23.040> with<00:02:23.160> their<00:02:23.340> values<00:02:23.760> by

align their wealth with their values by

align their wealth with their values by committing<00:02:24.660> to<00:02:25.140> kind<00:02:25.680> of<00:02:25.800> limit<00:02:26.040> Place<00:02:26.580> limits

committing to kind of limit Place limits

committing to kind of limit Place limits on<00:02:27.120> the<00:02:27.300> amount<00:02:27.480> of<00:02:27.599> wealth<00:02:27.900> that<00:02:28.020> they<00:02:28.200> have

on the amount of wealth that they have

on the amount of wealth that they have during<00:02:28.560> their<00:02:28.800> lifetime

during their lifetime

during their lifetime um think<00:02:31.019> about<00:02:31.200> radical<00:02:31.980> redistribution

um think about radical redistribution

um think about radical redistribution but<00:02:33.599> also<00:02:33.900> we<00:02:34.140> support<00:02:34.260> people<00:02:34.560> to<00:02:34.800> think

but also we support people to think

but also we support people to think about<00:02:35.099> how<00:02:35.580> they<00:02:35.700> align<00:02:36.060> their<00:02:36.599> behaviors

about how they align their behaviors

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around tax with their values so a lot of

around tax with their values so a lot of our<00:02:40.019> clients<00:02:40.319> are<00:02:40.500> quite<00:02:40.620> Progressive<00:02:41.160> they

our clients are quite Progressive they

our clients are quite Progressive they want<00:02:41.940> to<00:02:42.120> overpay<00:02:42.780> tax<00:02:43.080> some<00:02:43.440> of<00:02:43.560> them<00:02:43.680> don't

want to overpay tax some of them don't

want to overpay tax some of them don't take

take

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um sort of tax relief some of them don't

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have Isis and because they really

have Isis and because they really believe<00:02:49.500> in<00:02:49.739> the<00:02:49.980> power<00:02:50.220> of

believe in the power of

believe in the power of um<00:02:51.540> of<00:02:51.840> Taxation<00:02:52.319> you<00:02:52.739> know<00:02:52.860> it's<00:02:53.040> the

um of Taxation you know it's the

um of Taxation you know it's the lifeblood<00:02:53.760> of<00:02:53.819> the<00:02:54.060> social<00:02:54.180> contract<00:02:54.660> as<00:02:54.959> many

lifeblood of the social contract as many

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people say so that's what we do so you

people say so that's what we do so you you're<00:02:57.780> trying<00:02:58.019> to<00:02:58.260> convince<00:02:58.620> wealthy<00:02:59.519> people

you're trying to convince wealthy people

you're trying to convince wealthy people to<00:03:00.060> pay<00:03:00.780> more<00:03:00.959> tax<00:03:01.200> essentially<00:03:01.620> I'm<00:03:01.980> not

to pay more tax essentially I'm not

to pay more tax essentially I'm not convincing<00:03:02.640> anyone<00:03:03.060> I<00:03:03.599> I<00:03:03.780> made<00:03:04.019> a<00:03:04.260> really

convincing anyone I I made a really

convincing anyone I I made a really strategic<00:03:05.040> Choice<00:03:05.280> when<00:03:05.580> I<00:03:05.700> started<00:03:05.940> the<00:03:06.120> good

strategic Choice when I started the good

strategic Choice when I started the good ancestor<00:03:06.599> movement<00:03:06.840> that<00:03:07.019> I<00:03:07.140> only<00:03:07.260> wanted<00:03:07.440> to

ancestor movement that I only wanted to

ancestor movement that I only wanted to work<00:03:07.860> with

work with

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wealthy individuals who kind of get this

wealthy individuals who kind of get this stuff<00:03:11.879> who<00:03:12.180> are<00:03:12.300> already<00:03:12.420> concerned<00:03:13.019> about

stuff who are already concerned about

stuff who are already concerned about inequality<00:03:13.980> and<00:03:14.879> they're<00:03:15.120> worried<00:03:15.420> about

inequality and they're worried about

inequality and they're worried about climate<00:03:16.080> change<00:03:16.260> they're<00:03:16.680> worried<00:03:16.980> about

climate change they're worried about

climate change they're worried about what<00:03:17.519> extreme<00:03:17.819> wealth<00:03:18.180> is<00:03:18.300> doing<00:03:18.480> to<00:03:18.720> the

what extreme wealth is doing to the

what extreme wealth is doing to the economy<00:03:19.319> and<00:03:19.860> so<00:03:20.040> they're<00:03:20.220> already<00:03:20.459> on<00:03:20.879> board

economy and so they're already on board

economy and so they're already on board and<00:03:21.900> they're<00:03:22.019> already<00:03:22.500> thinking<00:03:23.099> around<00:03:23.659> how

and they're already thinking around how

and they're already thinking around how they<00:03:24.780> want<00:03:24.900> to<00:03:25.019> minimize<00:03:25.440> their<00:03:25.799> wealth<00:03:26.299> and

they want to minimize their wealth and

they want to minimize their wealth and they're<00:03:27.720> really<00:03:27.900> kind<00:03:28.200> of<00:03:28.260> uncomfortable

they're really kind of uncomfortable

they're really kind of uncomfortable about<00:03:29.040> how<00:03:29.340> much<00:03:29.459> money<00:03:29.640> they<00:03:29.879> have<00:03:30.060> they<00:03:30.420> feel

about how much money they have they feel

about how much money they have they feel uncomfortable<00:03:31.280> about<00:03:32.280> their<00:03:32.700> tax<00:03:32.940> position

uncomfortable about their tax position

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they feel like they're not paying enough

they feel like they're not paying enough tax<00:03:34.980> so<00:03:35.280> I'm<00:03:35.879> really<00:03:36.659> giving<00:03:37.200> agency

tax so I'm really giving agency

tax so I'm really giving agency um<00:03:39.599> and<00:03:40.019> knowledge

um and knowledge

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to kind of wealthy individuals who fit

to kind of wealthy individuals who fit that<00:03:44.099> profile<00:03:44.599> and<00:03:45.599> if<00:03:45.840> they<00:03:46.019> want<00:03:46.140> to<00:03:46.260> go<00:03:46.379> and

that profile and if they want to go and

that profile and if they want to go and influence<00:03:46.860> their<00:03:47.040> peers<00:03:47.340> and<00:03:47.519> their<00:03:47.700> families

influence their peers and their families

influence their peers and their families and<00:03:48.299> their<00:03:48.480> networks<00:03:48.900> that's<00:03:49.379> up<00:03:49.739> to<00:03:49.920> them<00:03:50.040> but

and their networks that's up to them but

and their networks that's up to them but I'm<00:03:50.640> not<00:03:50.940> kind<00:03:51.420> of<00:03:51.540> doing<00:03:52.080> that<00:03:52.500> emotional

I'm not kind of doing that emotional

I'm not kind of doing that emotional labor<00:03:53.760> so

labor so

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um it's a big change obviously what

um it's a big change obviously what you're<00:03:57.299> doing<00:03:57.480> yeah<00:03:57.720> how<00:03:58.140> have<00:03:58.319> you<00:03:58.500> found

you're doing yeah how have you found

you're doing yeah how have you found that<00:03:59.340> transition

that transition

that transition um<00:04:01.200> it's<00:04:01.439> been<00:04:01.680> huge<00:04:02.099> for<00:04:02.280> me<00:04:02.459> actually<00:04:02.700> I

um it's been huge for me actually I

um it's been huge for me actually I think<00:04:04.080> um<00:04:04.080> the<00:04:04.379> biggest<00:04:04.500> thing<00:04:04.739> for<00:04:04.920> me<00:04:05.099> is

think um the biggest thing for me is

think um the biggest thing for me is that<00:04:05.879> I<00:04:06.540> learned<00:04:06.720> very<00:04:06.900> quickly<00:04:07.200> that<00:04:07.439> is<00:04:07.560> it's

that I learned very quickly that is it's

that I learned very quickly that is it's impossible<00:04:08.580> to<00:04:08.700> have<00:04:08.879> this<00:04:09.060> conversation

impossible to have this conversation

impossible to have this conversation um<00:04:11.099> and<00:04:11.700> kind<00:04:11.879> of<00:04:12.000> de-politicize<00:04:12.780> it<00:04:13.019> you<00:04:13.439> know

um and kind of de-politicize it you know

um and kind of de-politicize it you know you<00:04:13.860> can't<00:04:14.180> de-politicize<00:04:15.180> wealth

you can't de-politicize wealth

you can't de-politicize wealth inequality<00:04:16.139> like<00:04:16.620> it's<00:04:17.100> inherently

inequality like it's inherently

inequality like it's inherently political

political

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um it's a result of political choices

um it's a result of political choices that<00:04:22.500> have<00:04:22.620> been<00:04:22.800> made<00:04:22.979> and<00:04:23.280> continue<00:04:23.460> to<00:04:23.699> be

that have been made and continue to be

that have been made and continue to be made

made

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um and I'm not you know I'm someone that

um and I'm not you know I'm someone that was<00:04:27.240> raised<00:04:27.660> in<00:04:27.780> quite<00:04:28.080> a<00:04:28.320> social<00:04:28.740> social

was raised in quite a social social

was raised in quite a social social justice-oriented<00:04:30.419> family<00:04:30.720> quite<00:04:31.680> political

justice-oriented family quite political

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um and I have strong political views but

um and I have strong political views but I<00:04:35.880> wasn't<00:04:36.060> particularly<00:04:36.840> open<00:04:37.199> about<00:04:38.040> that

I wasn't particularly open about that

I wasn't particularly open about that you<00:04:39.000> know<00:04:39.120> I'd<00:04:39.300> never<00:04:39.540> imagined<00:04:39.960> that<00:04:40.080> I'd<00:04:40.199> be

you know I'd never imagined that I'd be

you know I'd never imagined that I'd be talking<00:04:40.699> in<00:04:41.699> the<00:04:41.820> media<00:04:42.180> publicly<00:04:42.900> about

talking in the media publicly about

talking in the media publicly about wealth<00:04:44.400> taxes<00:04:44.900> wealth<00:04:45.900> inequality

wealth taxes wealth inequality

wealth taxes wealth inequality um<00:04:47.400> and<00:04:47.639> that's<00:04:47.759> something<00:04:48.000> that's<00:04:48.360> kind<00:04:48.660> of

um and that's something that's kind of

um and that's something that's kind of part<00:04:49.080> of<00:04:49.259> the<00:04:49.380> day-to-day<00:04:49.919> role<00:04:50.400> now<00:04:50.520> and<00:04:50.940> that

part of the day-to-day role now and that

part of the day-to-day role now and that has<00:04:51.479> taken<00:04:51.780> quite<00:04:51.960> an<00:04:52.080> adjustment<00:04:52.500> but<00:04:52.800> you

has taken quite an adjustment but you

has taken quite an adjustment but you know<00:04:53.040> I<00:04:53.220> really<00:04:53.400> believe<00:04:54.380> in<00:04:55.380> the<00:04:56.280> cause<00:04:56.520> you

know I really believe in the cause you

know I really believe in the cause you know<00:04:57.060> we<00:04:57.360> need<00:04:57.540> to<00:04:57.720> see<00:04:57.840> economic<00:04:58.440> Justice<00:04:58.919> and

know we need to see economic Justice and

know we need to see economic Justice and we<00:04:59.880> have<00:05:00.000> to<00:05:00.479> kind<00:05:00.960> of<00:05:01.080> mobilize<00:05:01.560> and<00:05:01.740> organize

we have to kind of mobilize and organize

we have to kind of mobilize and organize in<00:05:02.280> order<00:05:02.460> to<00:05:02.580> do<00:05:02.820> that<00:05:03.060> and<00:05:03.240> part<00:05:03.419> of<00:05:03.539> that

in order to do that and part of that

in order to do that and part of that includes<00:05:04.139> speaking<00:05:04.500> about<00:05:04.680> that<00:05:04.919> publicly

includes speaking about that publicly

includes speaking about that publicly yeah<00:05:07.080> it's<00:05:07.320> also<00:05:07.680> I<00:05:08.039> remember<00:05:08.160> when<00:05:08.400> I<00:05:08.580> first

yeah it's also I remember when I first

yeah it's also I remember when I first started<00:05:09.120> talking<00:05:09.539> publicly<00:05:10.020> like<00:05:10.199> the<00:05:10.500> stuff

started talking publicly like the stuff

started talking publicly like the stuff I've<00:05:10.860> written<00:05:11.100> is<00:05:11.400> I'm<00:05:12.060> quite<00:05:12.300> open<00:05:13.020> about<00:05:13.320> my

I've written is I'm quite open about my

I've written is I'm quite open about my sort<00:05:13.860> of<00:05:14.460> that<00:05:14.820> I've<00:05:14.940> made<00:05:15.060> a<00:05:15.180> lot<00:05:15.240> of<00:05:15.360> money

sort of that I've made a lot of money

sort of that I've made a lot of money that<00:05:15.780> I'm<00:05:15.960> I'm<00:05:16.440> a<00:05:16.620> millionaire<00:05:17.100> this<00:05:17.340> kind<00:05:17.520> of

that I'm I'm a millionaire this kind of

that I'm I'm a millionaire this kind of stuff<00:05:18.300> um

stuff um

stuff um yeah<00:05:19.500> it's<00:05:19.620> strange<00:05:19.860> at<00:05:20.100> first<00:05:20.280> because

yeah it's strange at first because

yeah it's strange at first because obviously<00:05:21.000> previously<00:05:21.360> I<00:05:21.479> wouldn't<00:05:21.600> talk

obviously previously I wouldn't talk

obviously previously I wouldn't talk about<00:05:21.840> that<00:05:22.020> kind<00:05:22.199> of<00:05:22.320> stuff<00:05:22.500> but<00:05:23.220> um

about that kind of stuff but um

about that kind of stuff but um yeah<00:05:24.180> have<00:05:24.539> to<00:05:24.720> do<00:05:24.780> it<00:05:24.900> I<00:05:24.960> guess<00:05:25.080> if<00:05:25.259> that's

yeah have to do it I guess if that's

yeah have to do it I guess if that's what<00:05:25.560> you<00:05:25.680> believe<00:05:25.800> yeah<00:05:26.280> and<00:05:26.460> I<00:05:26.580> think<00:05:26.699> I

what you believe yeah and I think I

what you believe yeah and I think I think<00:05:27.000> we're<00:05:27.120> really<00:05:27.300> uncomfortable<00:05:27.780> about

think we're really uncomfortable about

think we're really uncomfortable about talking<00:05:28.320> about<00:05:28.500> wealth<00:05:28.919> in<00:05:29.100> in<00:05:29.220> British

talking about wealth in in British

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Society is is one of the great taboos

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isn't it yeah but actually we we need to

isn't it yeah but actually we we need to talk<00:05:35.160> about<00:05:35.340> you<00:05:35.940> know<00:05:36.060> one<00:05:36.120> of<00:05:36.300> the<00:05:36.300> things<00:05:36.419> I

talk about you know one of the things I

talk about you know one of the things I find<00:05:36.780> really<00:05:36.960> interesting<00:05:37.320> is<00:05:37.740> that<00:05:37.979> the

find really interesting is that the

find really interesting is that the economy<00:05:39.080> is<00:05:40.080> kind<00:05:40.680> of<00:05:40.740> treated<00:05:41.100> as<00:05:41.340> this

economy is kind of treated as this

economy is kind of treated as this abstract

abstract

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phenomenon like you know quite

phenomenon like you know quite mathematical<00:05:46.440> kind<00:05:47.280> of<00:05:47.400> yeah<00:05:48.000> very<00:05:48.979> elitist

mathematical kind of yeah very elitist

mathematical kind of yeah very elitist but<00:05:50.280> actually<00:05:50.400> could<00:05:50.880> be<00:05:51.000> quite<00:05:51.120> exclusionary

but actually could be quite exclusionary

but actually could be quite exclusionary yeah<00:05:52.259> exactly<00:05:52.919> we're<00:05:53.520> the<00:05:53.699> economists<00:05:54.180> we<00:05:54.360> do

yeah exactly we're the economists we do

yeah exactly we're the economists we do the<00:05:54.660> numbers<00:05:54.780> yeah<00:05:55.380> we<00:05:55.620> tell<00:05:55.860> you<00:05:55.919> whether

the numbers yeah we tell you whether

the numbers yeah we tell you whether it's<00:05:56.100> working<00:05:56.340> but<00:05:56.580> we<00:05:56.699> all<00:05:56.880> have<00:05:57.060> a

it's working but we all have a

it's working but we all have a relationship<00:05:57.539> to<00:05:57.780> the<00:05:57.900> economy<00:05:58.199> don't<00:05:58.440> we<00:05:58.560> you

relationship to the economy don't we you

relationship to the economy don't we you know<00:05:58.860> the<00:05:58.979> way<00:05:59.160> that<00:05:59.340> we<00:05:59.520> spend<00:05:59.819> the<00:06:00.419> way<00:06:00.600> that

know the way that we spend the way that

know the way that we spend the way that we<00:06:00.960> save<00:06:01.259> what<00:06:02.100> we<00:06:02.280> choose<00:06:02.520> to<00:06:02.759> consume<00:06:03.419> and

we save what we choose to consume and

we save what we choose to consume and acquire<00:06:04.139> I<00:06:04.919> remember<00:06:05.100> a<00:06:05.400> big<00:06:05.520> thing<00:06:05.639> that<00:06:05.940> sort

acquire I remember a big thing that sort

acquire I remember a big thing that sort of<00:06:06.180> got<00:06:06.419> me<00:06:06.660> thinking<00:06:07.319> about<00:06:07.380> this<00:06:07.560> was<00:06:07.740> I

of got me thinking about this was I

of got me thinking about this was I don't<00:06:08.039> know<00:06:08.160> if<00:06:08.220> you<00:06:08.280> remembering<00:06:08.699> in<00:06:09.000> 2011.

don't know if you remembering in 2011.

don't know if you remembering in 2011. just<00:06:10.740> after<00:06:10.919> the<00:06:11.220> financial<00:06:11.400> crisis<00:06:11.940> we<00:06:12.180> had

just after the financial crisis we had

just after the financial crisis we had the<00:06:12.479> situation<00:06:12.720> that<00:06:13.020> was<00:06:13.199> quite<00:06:13.560> similar<00:06:13.979> in

the situation that was quite similar in

the situation that was quite similar in many<00:06:14.280> ways<00:06:14.460> to<00:06:14.580> what<00:06:14.699> we're<00:06:14.819> experiencing<00:06:15.180> now

many ways to what we're experiencing now

many ways to what we're experiencing now which<00:06:16.380> is<00:06:16.560> in<00:06:17.160> many<00:06:17.280> ways<00:06:17.520> the<00:06:17.639> economy<00:06:18.060> the

which is in many ways the economy the

which is in many ways the economy the economy<00:06:18.900> was<00:06:19.380> was<00:06:19.680> said<00:06:19.979> to<00:06:20.100> be<00:06:20.160> bouncing<00:06:20.580> back

economy was was said to be bouncing back

economy was was said to be bouncing back you<00:06:21.000> know<00:06:21.120> GDP<00:06:21.539> growth<00:06:21.840> was<00:06:22.020> high

you know GDP growth was high

you know GDP growth was high unemployment<00:06:23.280> was<00:06:23.400> falling

unemployment was falling

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but we had a cost of living crisis like

but we had a cost of living crisis like we<00:06:27.000> do<00:06:27.120> now<00:06:27.240> which<00:06:27.539> was<00:06:27.660> driven<00:06:28.020> primarily<00:06:28.620> by

we do now which was driven primarily by

we do now which was driven primarily by like<00:06:28.919> food<00:06:29.100> and<00:06:29.280> energy<00:06:29.460> and<00:06:30.660> um<00:06:30.660> the<00:06:31.080> media

like food and energy and um the media

like food and energy and um the media would<00:06:31.500> say<00:06:31.680> like<00:06:31.800> we've<00:06:31.979> got<00:06:32.039> a<00:06:32.160> strong

would say like we've got a strong

would say like we've got a strong economy<00:06:32.699> about<00:06:32.819> cost<00:06:33.120> of<00:06:33.240> living<00:06:33.360> crisis

economy about cost of living crisis

economy about cost of living crisis and<00:06:35.039> I<00:06:35.100> remember<00:06:35.220> thinking<00:06:35.580> at<00:06:35.699> the<00:06:35.819> time<00:06:35.940> like

and I remember thinking at the time like

and I remember thinking at the time like what<00:06:37.440> an<00:06:37.620> amazing<00:06:37.860> way<00:06:38.039> to<00:06:38.220> describe<00:06:38.580> an

what an amazing way to describe an

what an amazing way to describe an economy<00:06:39.180> right<00:06:39.360> because

economy right because

economy right because if<00:06:40.800> people<00:06:40.979> can't<00:06:41.160> afford<00:06:41.460> to<00:06:41.639> live

if people can't afford to live

if people can't afford to live how<00:06:43.319> can<00:06:43.440> that<00:06:43.560> be<00:06:43.680> a<00:06:43.800> strong<00:06:43.919> economy

how can that be a strong economy

how can that be a strong economy and<00:06:46.020> um<00:06:46.500> we're<00:06:46.979> seeing<00:06:47.160> it<00:06:47.400> again<00:06:47.580> now<00:06:47.759> it's

and um we're seeing it again now it's

and um we're seeing it again now it's this<00:06:48.360> sort<00:06:48.539> of<00:06:48.660> you<00:06:49.199> know<00:06:49.259> there's<00:06:49.500> this

this sort of you know there's this

this sort of you know there's this the<00:06:51.180> Richer<00:06:51.539> making<00:06:51.660> more<00:06:51.840> money<00:06:52.020> they've

the Richer making more money they've

the Richer making more money they've ever<00:06:52.380> made<00:06:52.500> in<00:06:52.680> the<00:06:52.800> past<00:06:52.919> ordinary<00:06:53.819> people

ever made in the past ordinary people

ever made in the past ordinary people can't<00:06:54.060> afford<00:06:54.300> to<00:06:54.419> eat<00:06:54.599> and<00:06:55.020> it's<00:06:55.139> like<00:06:55.380> well

can't afford to eat and it's like well

can't afford to eat and it's like well there's<00:06:55.860> nothing<00:06:56.039> we<00:06:56.220> can<00:06:56.340> do<00:06:56.460> and<00:06:57.900> um

there's nothing we can do and um

there's nothing we can do and um that's<00:06:59.639> the<00:06:59.819> problem<00:07:00.000> that<00:07:00.360> you<00:07:00.419> come<00:07:00.539> into

that's the problem that you come into

that's the problem that you come into and<00:07:01.020> you<00:07:01.139> have<00:07:01.319> this<00:07:02.099> economic<00:07:02.759> realm<00:07:03.120> which

and you have this economic realm which

and you have this economic realm which is<00:07:03.360> just<00:07:03.539> dominated<00:07:03.900> by<00:07:04.080> wealthy<00:07:04.560> people<00:07:04.620> and

is just dominated by wealthy people and

is just dominated by wealthy people and a<00:07:04.979> big<00:07:05.099> part<00:07:05.160> about<00:07:05.280> this<00:07:05.580> channel

a big part about this channel

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is supposed to be about it's just to let

is supposed to be about it's just to let people<00:07:08.280> know<00:07:08.580> like<00:07:08.940> this<00:07:09.599> is<00:07:09.780> what's

people know like this is what's

people know like this is what's happening<00:07:10.259> so<00:07:10.860> that<00:07:11.039> people<00:07:11.160> can<00:07:11.400> defend

happening so that people can defend

happening so that people can defend their<00:07:12.060> interests<00:07:12.840> yeah<00:07:13.319> and<00:07:13.500> this<00:07:13.680> is<00:07:13.800> the

their interests yeah and this is the

their interests yeah and this is the problem<00:07:14.160> where<00:07:14.759> we<00:07:15.240> have

problem where we have

problem where we have uh<00:07:16.860> GDP<00:07:17.400> growth<00:07:17.940> domestic<00:07:18.360> product<00:07:18.720> as<00:07:19.560> a

uh GDP growth domestic product as a

uh GDP growth domestic product as a measure<00:07:20.220> of

measure of

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um you know the health of an economy a

um you know the health of an economy a country's<00:07:25.380> economy

country's economy

country's economy um<00:07:26.819> when<00:07:27.120> it<00:07:27.300> doesn't<00:07:27.660> you<00:07:27.960> know<00:07:28.020> all<00:07:28.139> it<00:07:28.319> does

um when it doesn't you know all it does

um when it doesn't you know all it does is<00:07:28.620> measure<00:07:29.039> the<00:07:29.220> total<00:07:29.639> amount<00:07:29.940> of<00:07:30.120> kind<00:07:30.360> of

is measure the total amount of kind of

is measure the total amount of kind of yeah<00:07:31.020> it's<00:07:31.199> a<00:07:31.380> total<00:07:31.680> right<00:07:31.860> it<00:07:32.039> doesn't<00:07:32.160> tell

yeah it's a total right it doesn't tell

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you anything about well how are these

you anything about well how are these people<00:07:34.020> doing<00:07:34.259> versus<00:07:34.440> how<00:07:34.680> are<00:07:34.800> those<00:07:34.919> yeah

people doing versus how are those yeah

people doing versus how are those yeah they<00:07:35.520> have<00:07:35.759> something<00:07:35.880> like<00:07:36.120> now<00:07:36.360> where

they have something like now where

they have something like now where simultaneously<00:07:37.800> living<00:07:38.400> standards<00:07:38.880> of

simultaneously living standards of

simultaneously living standards of ordinary<00:07:39.419> people<00:07:39.720> are<00:07:40.139> really<00:07:40.319> falling

ordinary people are really falling

ordinary people are really falling quickly<00:07:41.099> but<00:07:41.639> living<00:07:41.880> standards<00:07:42.360> of<00:07:42.479> the<00:07:42.599> rich

quickly but living standards of the rich

quickly but living standards of the rich are<00:07:43.199> rising<00:07:43.620> really<00:07:43.800> quickly

are rising really quickly

are rising really quickly the<00:07:45.300> GDP<00:07:45.840> and<00:07:46.259> GDP<00:07:46.680> has<00:07:46.800> been<00:07:46.919> rising<00:07:47.340> GDP<00:07:48.000> now

the GDP and GDP has been rising GDP now

the GDP and GDP has been rising GDP now is<00:07:48.300> higher<00:07:48.599> than<00:07:48.720> it<00:07:48.840> was<00:07:48.960> pre-crisis<00:07:49.800> but

is higher than it was pre-crisis but

is higher than it was pre-crisis but like<00:07:50.400> other<00:07:51.240> living<00:07:51.479> standards<00:07:51.840> are<00:07:51.900> Ordinary

like other living standards are Ordinary

like other living standards are Ordinary People<00:07:52.319> higher<00:07:52.680> than<00:07:52.740> pre-covered<00:07:53.460> no

People higher than pre-covered no

People higher than pre-covered no they're<00:07:53.819> collapsing<00:07:54.300> you<00:07:54.539> know<00:07:54.660> that's<00:07:55.259> the

they're collapsing you know that's the

they're collapsing you know that's the problem<00:07:55.560> you<00:07:55.979> know<00:07:56.099> the<00:07:56.340> numbers<00:07:56.520> just<00:07:56.879> to

problem you know the numbers just to

problem you know the numbers just to look<00:07:57.180> at<00:07:57.300> averages<00:07:57.660> and

look at averages and

look at averages and you<00:07:59.699> know<00:07:59.759> I'm<00:07:59.879> an<00:08:00.060> economics<00:08:00.419> profession<00:08:00.720> now

you know I'm an economics profession now

you know I'm an economics profession now and<00:08:01.800> when<00:08:02.220> the<00:08:02.340> economic<00:08:02.699> expression<00:08:03.000> is<00:08:03.300> full

and when the economic expression is full

and when the economic expression is full of<00:08:03.660> rich<00:08:03.900> people

of rich people

of rich people then<00:08:05.940> they<00:08:06.539> think<00:08:06.660> things<00:08:06.780> are<00:08:07.259> getting

then they think things are getting

then they think things are getting better<00:08:07.560> and<00:08:08.099> they<00:08:08.220> say<00:08:08.400> the<00:08:08.699> numbers<00:08:08.759> are

better and they say the numbers are

better and they say the numbers are getting<00:08:09.120> better<00:08:09.300> and<00:08:09.960> the<00:08:10.199> the<00:08:10.500> experience<00:08:10.800> of

getting better and the the experience of

getting better and the the experience of ordinary<00:08:11.280> people<00:08:11.400> just<00:08:11.520> gets<00:08:11.759> totally

ordinary people just gets totally

ordinary people just gets totally ignored<00:08:12.419> yeah<00:08:13.139> and<00:08:13.319> this<00:08:13.500> is<00:08:13.620> I<00:08:13.979> think<00:08:14.099> this<00:08:14.280> is

ignored yeah and this is I think this is

ignored yeah and this is I think this is really<00:08:14.580> important<00:08:15.000> because

really important because

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part of the problem is you know you've

part of the problem is you know you've you've<00:08:18.840> got<00:08:19.020> to<00:08:19.199> tell<00:08:19.440> the<00:08:19.740> whole<00:08:19.919> story<00:08:20.220> and

you've got to tell the whole story and

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we're only getting one side of of the

we're only getting one side of of the story<00:08:23.639> you<00:08:23.879> know<00:08:24.000> when<00:08:24.120> we<00:08:24.300> see<00:08:24.660> that<00:08:24.780> GDP<00:08:25.259> is

story you know when we see that GDP is

story you know when we see that GDP is is<00:08:25.680> growing<00:08:26.580> yeah<00:08:27.000> but<00:08:27.180> we<00:08:27.360> know<00:08:27.479> that<00:08:27.840> wealth

is growing yeah but we know that wealth

is growing yeah but we know that wealth is<00:08:28.560> not<00:08:28.740> being<00:08:29.240> evenly<00:08:30.240> and<00:08:30.840> equally

is not being evenly and equally

is not being evenly and equally distributed<00:08:31.860> we<00:08:32.339> know<00:08:32.459> that<00:08:32.880> Prosperity

distributed we know that Prosperity

distributed we know that Prosperity isn't<00:08:34.080> being<00:08:34.320> shared<00:08:34.800> you<00:08:35.159> know<00:08:35.279> but<00:08:35.700> we<00:08:35.880> don't

isn't being shared you know but we don't

isn't being shared you know but we don't hear<00:08:36.360> about<00:08:36.599> the<00:08:37.560> experience<00:08:37.860> of<00:08:38.099> the<00:08:38.279> people

hear about the experience of the people

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who are on the losing side of GDP growth

who are on the losing side of GDP growth what<00:08:41.279> drives<00:08:41.519> me<00:08:41.700> mad<00:08:41.880> is<00:08:42.180> like<00:08:42.360> I've<00:08:42.779> been

what drives me mad is like I've been

what drives me mad is like I've been I've<00:08:43.560> been<00:08:43.740> in<00:08:43.919> economics<00:08:44.459> now

I've been in economics now

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from a lot of different angles in my

from a lot of different angles in my life<00:08:47.040> right<00:08:47.220> I<00:08:47.459> studied<00:08:47.700> at<00:08:47.820> LSC<00:08:48.240> I<00:08:48.660> studied<00:08:48.839> at

life right I studied at LSC I studied at

life right I studied at LSC I studied at Oxford<00:08:49.320> I<00:08:49.740> worked<00:08:50.040> in<00:08:50.100> the<00:08:50.279> city<00:08:50.399> now<00:08:51.000> I<00:08:51.240> write

Oxford I worked in the city now I write

Oxford I worked in the city now I write in<00:08:51.720> economics<00:08:52.200> media<00:08:52.620> and<00:08:52.860> I'm<00:08:53.040> sort<00:08:53.220> of

in economics media and I'm sort of

in economics media and I'm sort of involved<00:08:54.120> in<00:08:54.240> like<00:08:54.480> activist<00:08:55.140> economics<00:08:55.680> and

involved in like activist economics and

involved in like activist economics and I've<00:08:56.040> worked<00:08:56.519> with<00:08:56.580> people<00:08:56.700> from<00:08:56.820> think<00:08:57.060> tanks

I've worked with people from think tanks

I've worked with people from think tanks and<00:08:58.380> um

and um

and um every<00:08:59.880> single<00:09:00.240> one<00:09:00.420> of<00:09:00.540> these<00:09:00.660> economic

every single one of these economic

every single one of these economic spaces

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has almost no people from a poor

has almost no people from a poor background<00:09:06.019> every<00:09:07.019> single<00:09:07.320> one<00:09:07.380> of<00:09:07.500> these

background every single one of these

background every single one of these spaces<00:09:08.100> so<00:09:08.580> like<00:09:08.820> every<00:09:09.120> single<00:09:09.420> space<00:09:09.600> we

spaces so like every single space we

spaces so like every single space we have<00:09:09.959> in<00:09:10.080> our<00:09:10.200> society<00:09:10.560> where<00:09:10.860> people<00:09:11.100> are

have in our society where people are

have in our society where people are able<00:09:11.940> to<00:09:12.060> like<00:09:12.240> speak<00:09:12.540> about<00:09:12.720> economics

able to like speak about economics

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publicly there's nobody there from a

publicly there's nobody there from a poor<00:09:16.500> background

poor background

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and it just for me

and it just for me it<00:09:20.580> drives<00:09:20.880> me<00:09:21.060> mad<00:09:21.240> because<00:09:21.480> for<00:09:21.720> them<00:09:21.899> they

it drives me mad because for them they

it drives me mad because for them they can<00:09:22.620> it's<00:09:23.339> all<00:09:23.519> about<00:09:23.640> abstractions<00:09:24.420> yeah<00:09:24.660> for

can it's all about abstractions yeah for

can it's all about abstractions yeah for them<00:09:25.019> you<00:09:25.200> know<00:09:25.320> what<00:09:25.320> I<00:09:25.440> mean<00:09:25.560> but<00:09:25.680> they<00:09:25.980> don't

them you know what I mean but they don't

them you know what I mean but they don't really<00:09:26.279> know<00:09:26.760> what's<00:09:27.300> happening<00:09:27.720> and<00:09:28.320> I'm

really know what's happening and I'm

really know what's happening and I'm well<00:09:28.920> aware<00:09:29.160> that<00:09:29.339> now<00:09:29.459> I'm<00:09:29.640> a<00:09:29.760> wealthy<00:09:30.000> person

well aware that now I'm a wealthy person

well aware that now I'm a wealthy person but<00:09:30.360> I<00:09:30.480> didn't<00:09:30.600> grow<00:09:30.720> up<00:09:30.839> a<00:09:30.959> wealthy<00:09:31.260> person

but I didn't grow up a wealthy person

but I didn't grow up a wealthy person and<00:09:31.620> my<00:09:31.860> my<00:09:32.220> sister<00:09:32.459> is<00:09:32.640> not<00:09:32.760> a<00:09:32.880> wealthy<00:09:33.120> person

and my my sister is not a wealthy person

and my my sister is not a wealthy person my<00:09:33.540> parents<00:09:33.839> are<00:09:33.959> not<00:09:34.080> wealthy<00:09:34.380> people<00:09:34.440> you

my parents are not wealthy people you

my parents are not wealthy people you know<00:09:34.800> what<00:09:34.800> I<00:09:34.920> mean<00:09:35.040> and<00:09:35.279> the<00:09:35.399> people<00:09:35.519> I<00:09:35.700> grew

know what I mean and the people I grew

know what I mean and the people I grew up with<00:09:35.940> they're<00:09:36.060> not<00:09:36.180> wealthy<00:09:36.480> people<00:09:36.600> but

up with they're not wealthy people but

up with they're not wealthy people but then<00:09:37.560> I<00:09:38.339> mean<00:09:38.459> that's<00:09:38.580> the<00:09:38.820> reason<00:09:39.000> why<00:09:39.360> I<00:09:39.540> sort

then I mean that's the reason why I sort

then I mean that's the reason why I sort of<00:09:40.080> transitioned<00:09:40.560> away<00:09:40.740> from<00:09:40.920> like<00:09:41.100> writing

of transitioned away from like writing

of transitioned away from like writing for<00:09:41.580> the<00:09:41.700> guardian<00:09:42.000> and<00:09:42.240> things<00:09:42.420> like<00:09:42.540> this

for the guardian and things like this

for the guardian and things like this towards<00:09:43.200> making<00:09:43.380> a<00:09:43.620> YouTube<00:09:43.740> channel<00:09:44.040> because

towards making a YouTube channel because

towards making a YouTube channel because I<00:09:45.000> feel<00:09:45.180> like<00:09:45.440> we've<00:09:46.440> created<00:09:46.740> this<00:09:46.920> space

I feel like we've created this space

I feel like we've created this space where<00:09:47.519> nobody<00:09:47.940> who's<00:09:48.300> from<00:09:48.600> that<00:09:48.779> background

where nobody who's from that background

where nobody who's from that background is<00:09:49.320> allowed<00:09:49.680> to<00:09:49.740> speak<00:09:49.860> about<00:09:49.980> economics<00:09:50.519> and

is allowed to speak about economics and

is allowed to speak about economics and then<00:09:51.360> most<00:09:51.839> people<00:09:52.080> are<00:09:52.260> from<00:09:52.500> ordinary

then most people are from ordinary

then most people are from ordinary backgrounds<00:09:53.580> and<00:09:53.700> who<00:09:53.880> are<00:09:54.000> they<00:09:54.120> going<00:09:54.240> to<00:09:54.360> go

backgrounds and who are they going to go

backgrounds and who are they going to go to<00:09:54.660> to<00:09:55.260> get<00:09:55.380> their<00:09:55.560> advice<00:09:55.860> yeah<00:09:56.880> so<00:09:57.240> it<00:09:57.420> drives

to to get their advice yeah so it drives

to to get their advice yeah so it drives me<00:09:57.720> it<00:09:57.899> drives<00:09:58.080> me<00:09:58.260> mad<00:09:58.440> honestly<00:09:58.860> if<00:09:58.980> you<00:09:59.040> you

me it drives me mad honestly if you you

me it drives me mad honestly if you you I<00:09:59.339> know<00:09:59.459> you<00:09:59.580> watch<00:09:59.700> the<00:09:59.880> video<00:10:00.060> so<00:10:00.300> you'll<00:10:00.540> see

I know you watch the video so you'll see

I know you watch the video so you'll see how<00:10:00.779> I<00:10:01.200> get<00:10:01.320> about<00:10:01.440> it<00:10:01.620> yeah<00:10:01.980> it's<00:10:02.459> it's<00:10:02.700> really

how I get about it yeah it's it's really

how I get about it yeah it's it's really important<00:10:03.720> to<00:10:04.079> democratize<00:10:04.680> access<00:10:04.980> to

important to democratize access to

important to democratize access to economics<00:10:06.360> but<00:10:06.600> also<00:10:06.899> to<00:10:07.200> to<00:10:07.560> redefine<00:10:08.220> it

economics but also to to redefine it

economics but also to to redefine it essentially<00:10:08.940> because<00:10:09.540> because<00:10:09.839> it's<00:10:10.440> become

essentially because because it's become

essentially because because it's become this<00:10:11.040> abstraction<00:10:11.640> people<00:10:12.060> don't<00:10:12.360> think

this abstraction people don't think

this abstraction people don't think about<00:10:13.279> economics<00:10:14.279> when<00:10:14.579> they<00:10:14.700> go<00:10:14.820> to<00:10:15.000> the

about economics when they go to the

about economics when they go to the supermarket<00:10:15.660> when<00:10:15.839> they're<00:10:16.019> spending<00:10:16.380> yeah

supermarket when they're spending yeah

supermarket when they're spending yeah you<00:10:16.920> know<00:10:17.040> who's<00:10:17.220> that<00:10:17.399> money<00:10:17.579> going<00:10:17.760> that's

you know who's that money going that's

you know who's that money going that's exactly<00:10:18.420> what<00:10:18.600> I<00:10:18.839> want<00:10:19.019> people<00:10:19.200> to<00:10:19.380> feel<00:10:19.560> is

exactly what I want people to feel is

exactly what I want people to feel is like<00:10:19.980> your<00:10:20.640> life<00:10:20.760> is<00:10:20.940> the<00:10:21.120> economy<00:10:21.480> yeah<00:10:21.839> the

like your life is the economy yeah the

like your life is the economy yeah the economy<00:10:22.380> is<00:10:22.500> about<00:10:22.620> your<00:10:22.980> life<00:10:23.160> and<00:10:23.339> if<00:10:23.519> you

economy is about your life and if you

economy is about your life and if you can't<00:10:23.820> afford<00:10:24.180> to<00:10:24.360> put<00:10:25.200> the<00:10:25.320> heating<00:10:25.560> on<00:10:25.800> or<00:10:26.220> if

can't afford to put the heating on or if

can't afford to put the heating on or if you<00:10:26.459> can't<00:10:26.579> afford<00:10:26.940> to<00:10:27.180> feed<00:10:27.959> your<00:10:28.260> family<00:10:28.500> or

you can't afford to feed your family or

you can't afford to feed your family or you<00:10:29.040> know<00:10:29.160> a<00:10:29.279> level<00:10:29.579> of<00:10:29.760> security<00:10:29.880> above<00:10:30.360> that

you know a level of security above that

you know a level of security above that if<00:10:30.720> you<00:10:30.839> don't<00:10:30.899> know<00:10:31.019> how<00:10:31.140> you're<00:10:31.260> going<00:10:31.380> to

if you don't know how you're going to

if you don't know how you're going to get<00:10:31.500> a<00:10:31.620> house<00:10:31.740> or<00:10:31.920> how<00:10:32.040> your<00:10:32.160> kids<00:10:32.279> are<00:10:32.399> going

get a house or how your kids are going

get a house or how your kids are going to<00:10:32.519> get<00:10:32.640> house<00:10:32.820> or<00:10:33.000> how<00:10:33.180> they're<00:10:33.300> going<00:10:33.360> to<00:10:33.480> get

to get house or how they're going to get

to get house or how they're going to get Financial<00:10:33.660> Security<00:10:34.079> that<00:10:34.860> is<00:10:34.980> an<00:10:35.100> economic

Financial Security that is an economic

Financial Security that is an economic problem<00:10:35.640> and<00:10:36.000> you<00:10:36.240> should<00:10:36.360> be<00:10:36.480> allowed<00:10:36.779> to<00:10:36.959> say

problem and you should be allowed to say

problem and you should be allowed to say that<00:10:37.740> as<00:10:37.860> an<00:10:37.980> economic<00:10:38.279> problem<00:10:38.399> you<00:10:38.579> should

that as an economic problem you should

that as an economic problem you should be<00:10:38.820> able<00:10:38.940> to<00:10:39.060> demand<00:10:39.600> that<00:10:40.440> the<00:10:40.620> economists

be able to demand that the economists

be able to demand that the economists who<00:10:41.339> work<00:10:41.579> for<00:10:41.760> the<00:10:41.880> government<00:10:42.060> and<00:10:42.360> who<00:10:42.480> work

who work for the government and who work

who work for the government and who work in<00:10:42.720> the<00:10:42.839> media<00:10:43.079> address<00:10:43.440> those<00:10:43.740> problems

in the media address those problems

in the media address those problems realistically<00:10:44.700> but<00:10:45.420> yeah<00:10:45.600> it's<00:10:45.720> not

realistically but yeah it's not

realistically but yeah it's not happening<00:10:46.200> so<00:10:46.620> um<00:10:46.620> yeah<00:10:47.279> I<00:10:47.459> wanted<00:10:47.579> to<00:10:47.760> ask<00:10:47.940> you

happening so um yeah I wanted to ask you

happening so um yeah I wanted to ask you sort<00:10:48.660> of

sort of

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to talk a little bit about the economic

to talk a little bit about the economic situation<00:10:52.320> we're<00:10:52.500> in<00:10:52.680> now<00:10:52.860> from<00:10:53.399> your

situation we're in now from your

situation we're in now from your perspective<00:10:54.000> and<00:10:54.480> you<00:10:54.600> know<00:10:54.720> whether<00:10:55.019> that's

perspective and you know whether that's

perspective and you know whether that's you<00:10:55.560> personally<00:10:55.860> or<00:10:56.100> the<00:10:56.279> people<00:10:56.399> you<00:10:56.579> know<00:10:56.760> or

you personally or the people you know or

you personally or the people you know or the<00:10:57.060> people<00:10:57.180> you're<00:10:57.360> around<00:10:57.540> you<00:10:57.839> just

the people you're around you just

the people you're around you just how<00:10:59.399> do<00:10:59.519> you<00:10:59.640> feel<00:10:59.820> about

how do you feel about

how do you feel about the<00:11:01.260> space<00:11:01.500> we're<00:11:01.680> in<00:11:01.860> now<00:11:01.920> economically<00:11:02.339> and

the space we're in now economically and

the space we're in now economically and what's<00:11:02.579> happening<00:11:03.360> what's<00:11:03.899> really<00:11:04.320> worrying

what's happening what's really worrying

what's happening what's really worrying actually<00:11:05.160> I<00:11:05.760> think<00:11:06.420> um<00:11:06.480> I've<00:11:06.959> been<00:11:07.140> really

actually I think um I've been really

actually I think um I've been really feeling<00:11:07.500> it<00:11:07.680> over<00:11:07.860> the<00:11:08.040> last<00:11:08.160> couple<00:11:08.339> of<00:11:08.459> weeks

feeling it over the last couple of weeks

feeling it over the last couple of weeks that<00:11:09.240> this<00:11:09.540> kind<00:11:09.779> of<00:11:09.899> heaviness<00:11:10.380> around

that this kind of heaviness around

that this kind of heaviness around um<00:11:12.060> you<00:11:12.300> know<00:11:12.420> a<00:11:12.480> lot<00:11:12.600> about<00:11:12.720> what<00:11:13.200> you<00:11:13.380> have

um you know a lot about what you have

um you know a lot about what you have said<00:11:13.940> repeatedly<00:11:14.940> is<00:11:15.180> that<00:11:15.420> you<00:11:15.660> know<00:11:15.720> if<00:11:15.959> we

said repeatedly is that you know if we

said repeatedly is that you know if we don't<00:11:16.440> start<00:11:16.980> to<00:11:17.160> tax<00:11:17.399> wealth

don't start to tax wealth

don't start to tax wealth and<00:11:19.320> clothes<00:11:19.740> begin<00:11:20.040> to<00:11:20.279> close<00:11:20.519> the<00:11:20.760> gap<00:11:20.940> this

and clothes begin to close the gap this

and clothes begin to close the gap this is<00:11:21.480> an<00:11:21.720> economic<00:11:22.140> disaster<00:11:22.700> and<00:11:23.700> I'm<00:11:23.820> starting

is an economic disaster and I'm starting

is an economic disaster and I'm starting to<00:11:24.420> see<00:11:24.540> glimpses<00:11:25.019> of<00:11:25.260> what<00:11:25.500> that<00:11:25.800> disaster

to see glimpses of what that disaster

to see glimpses of what that disaster could<00:11:26.459> look<00:11:26.640> like<00:11:26.820> and<00:11:27.300> it's<00:11:27.420> when<00:11:27.600> ordinary

could look like and it's when ordinary

could look like and it's when ordinary people<00:11:28.380> can't<00:11:28.920> spend<00:11:29.339> money<00:11:29.579> in<00:11:29.820> the<00:11:29.940> real

people can't spend money in the real

people can't spend money in the real economy<00:11:30.540> and<00:11:31.079> the<00:11:31.200> economy<00:11:31.500> just<00:11:31.740> grinds<00:11:32.100> to<00:11:32.220> a

economy and the economy just grinds to a

economy and the economy just grinds to a whole<00:11:32.459> and<00:11:32.640> I<00:11:32.760> think<00:11:32.820> we're<00:11:33.000> starting<00:11:33.180> to<00:11:33.420> see

whole and I think we're starting to see

whole and I think we're starting to see that<00:11:33.779> now<00:11:33.959> with

that now with

that now with um<00:11:35.660> with<00:11:36.660> high<00:11:37.079> inflation

um with high inflation

um with high inflation which<00:11:39.060> you've<00:11:39.779> said

which you've said

which you've said um it<00:11:41.040> essentially<00:11:41.579> acts<00:11:41.940> as<00:11:42.000> a<00:11:42.180> tax<00:11:42.360> on

um it essentially acts as a tax on

um it essentially acts as a tax on Ordinary<00:11:43.200> People<00:11:43.500> an<00:11:43.920> additional<00:11:44.279> tax<00:11:44.459> when

Ordinary People an additional tax when

Ordinary People an additional tax when they've<00:11:44.940> already<00:11:45.060> had<00:11:45.360> National<00:11:46.140> Assurance

they've already had National Assurance

they've already had National Assurance increased

increased

increased um<00:11:48.600> you<00:11:48.779> know<00:11:48.899> council<00:11:49.260> tax<00:11:49.380> tax<00:11:49.980> has<00:11:50.160> gone<00:11:50.279> up

um you know council tax tax has gone up

um you know council tax tax has gone up everything's<00:11:50.760> gone<00:11:50.940> up<00:11:51.060> energy<00:11:51.240> price<00:11:51.540> has

everything's gone up energy price has

everything's gone up energy price has gone<00:11:51.959> up

gone up

gone up and<00:11:53.639> what<00:11:53.940> happens<00:11:54.120> if<00:11:54.540> ordinary<00:11:54.959> people

and what happens if ordinary people

and what happens if ordinary people aren't<00:11:56.160> able<00:11:56.820> to<00:11:56.880> afford<00:11:57.240> to<00:11:57.420> spend<00:11:57.660> in<00:11:57.839> the

aren't able to afford to spend in the

aren't able to afford to spend in the real<00:11:58.079> economy<00:11:58.560> yeah<00:11:58.860> you<00:11:59.160> know<00:11:59.220> that's<00:11:59.339> really

real economy yeah you know that's really

real economy yeah you know that's really worrying<00:11:59.940> for<00:12:00.120> all<00:12:00.300> of<00:12:00.360> us<00:12:00.480> that's<00:12:00.779> a<00:12:01.019> problem

worrying for all of us that's a problem

worrying for all of us that's a problem for<00:12:01.440> all<00:12:01.560> of<00:12:01.680> us<00:12:01.800> so<00:12:02.639> I'm<00:12:02.940> really<00:12:03.360> concerned

for all of us so I'm really concerned

for all of us so I'm really concerned about<00:12:04.019> it<00:12:04.380> I'm<00:12:04.860> really<00:12:05.220> concerned<00:12:05.760> that<00:12:06.779> um

about it I'm really concerned that um

about it I'm really concerned that um the<00:12:07.139> government<00:12:07.200> is<00:12:07.500> not<00:12:07.620> listening<00:12:08.100> to<00:12:08.639> the

the government is not listening to the

the government is not listening to the you<00:12:09.660> know<00:12:09.779> demands<00:12:10.380> for<00:12:10.680> taxes<00:12:11.519> on<00:12:11.700> wealth

you know demands for taxes on wealth

you know demands for taxes on wealth um<00:12:12.899> we<00:12:13.800> urgently<00:12:14.339> urgently<00:12:14.639> need<00:12:14.820> an<00:12:15.120> overhaul

um we urgently urgently need an overhaul

um we urgently urgently need an overhaul of<00:12:15.720> our<00:12:15.839> tax<00:12:16.019> system<00:12:16.399> for<00:12:17.399> too<00:12:17.639> long<00:12:17.820> you<00:12:18.120> know

of our tax system for too long you know

of our tax system for too long you know in<00:12:18.420> the<00:12:18.600> current<00:12:18.720> you<00:12:19.320> know<00:12:19.380> whether<00:12:19.680> or<00:12:19.860> not

in the current you know whether or not

in the current you know whether or not you<00:12:20.279> agree<00:12:20.579> with

you agree with

you agree with wealth<00:12:22.200> taxes<00:12:22.560> in<00:12:22.740> principle<00:12:23.220> I<00:12:23.820> think

wealth taxes in principle I think

wealth taxes in principle I think everyone<00:12:24.180> has<00:12:24.480> to<00:12:24.600> acknowledge<00:12:24.899> that<00:12:25.019> we've

everyone has to acknowledge that we've

everyone has to acknowledge that we've been<00:12:25.320> living<00:12:25.500> in<00:12:25.800> this<00:12:25.980> low<00:12:26.220> interest<00:12:26.459> rate

been living in this low interest rate

been living in this low interest rate environment<00:12:27.420> for<00:12:27.899> such<00:12:28.079> a<00:12:28.200> long<00:12:28.320> time

environment for such a long time

environment for such a long time which<00:12:30.420> has<00:12:30.720> made<00:12:30.959> lots<00:12:31.320> of<00:12:31.380> wealthy<00:12:31.800> people

which has made lots of wealthy people

which has made lots of wealthy people acquire<00:12:32.880> assets<00:12:33.540> like<00:12:33.720> property

acquire assets like property

acquire assets like property you<00:12:35.220> know<00:12:35.279> invest<00:12:35.639> in<00:12:35.820> stocks

you know invest in stocks

you know invest in stocks um<00:12:37.680> and<00:12:38.459> we've<00:12:39.000> seen<00:12:39.180> asset<00:12:39.540> price<00:12:39.660> inflation

um and we've seen asset price inflation

um and we've seen asset price inflation and<00:12:40.560> it's<00:12:40.680> just<00:12:40.860> it's<00:12:41.100> extreme<00:12:41.700> wealth

and it's just it's extreme wealth

and it's just it's extreme wealth concentration<00:12:42.600> it's<00:12:42.899> extreme

concentration it's extreme

concentration it's extreme um<00:12:44.339> wealth<00:12:44.820> inequality<00:12:45.300> that<00:12:45.540> we're<00:12:45.600> seeing

um wealth inequality that we're seeing

um wealth inequality that we're seeing and<00:12:46.019> we've<00:12:46.260> got<00:12:46.440> to<00:12:46.680> we've<00:12:47.519> got<00:12:47.639> to<00:12:47.820> address

and we've got to we've got to address

and we've got to we've got to address the<00:12:48.300> economic<00:12:48.720> imbalance<00:12:49.260> that<00:12:49.560> we<00:12:49.740> have<00:12:49.860> now

the economic imbalance that we have now

the economic imbalance that we have now otherwise<00:12:50.579> as<00:12:51.060> you<00:12:51.300> always<00:12:51.540> say<00:12:51.839> is<00:12:52.079> going<00:12:52.260> to

otherwise as you always say is going to

otherwise as you always say is going to be<00:12:52.380> a<00:12:52.560> disaster<00:12:53.120> yeah<00:12:54.120> what<00:12:54.720> drives<00:12:54.959> me<00:12:55.139> mad<00:12:55.440> is

be a disaster yeah what drives me mad is

be a disaster yeah what drives me mad is the<00:12:56.940> way<00:12:57.120> so<00:12:57.360> many<00:12:57.480> people<00:12:57.660> in<00:12:57.839> the<00:12:58.019> media<00:12:58.260> and

the way so many people in the media and

the way so many people in the media and in<00:12:58.560> government<00:12:58.740> talk<00:12:59.100> about<00:12:59.220> it<00:12:59.399> as<00:12:59.519> if<00:12:59.639> it's

in government talk about it as if it's

in government talk about it as if it's unavoidable<00:13:00.240> and<00:13:01.139> you<00:13:01.560> know<00:13:01.620> I've<00:13:02.040> said<00:13:02.459> it<00:13:02.579> a

unavoidable and you know I've said it a

unavoidable and you know I've said it a million<00:13:02.880> times<00:13:03.000> I'll<00:13:03.240> say<00:13:03.420> it<00:13:03.600> again<00:13:03.980> 450

million times I'll say it again 450

million times I'll say it again 450 billion<00:13:05.339> pounds<00:13:05.700> went<00:13:05.940> from<00:13:06.120> the<00:13:06.240> government

billion pounds went from the government

billion pounds went from the government to<00:13:06.540> the<00:13:06.720> rich<00:13:06.779> in<00:13:07.019> the<00:13:07.139> last<00:13:07.200> two<00:13:07.380> and<00:13:07.500> a<00:13:07.620> half

to the rich in the last two and a half

to the rich in the last two and a half years<00:13:07.800> and<00:13:08.639> I<00:13:08.880> think<00:13:09.000> quite<00:13:09.360> equal<00:13:09.540> to

years and I think quite equal to

years and I think quite equal to government<00:13:10.380> Minister<00:13:10.800> said<00:13:11.399> we<00:13:11.760> we've<00:13:12.180> come

government Minister said we we've come

government Minister said we we've come we've<00:13:12.540> given<00:13:12.779> nine<00:13:13.139> billion<00:13:13.440> pounds<00:13:13.860> to

we've given nine billion pounds to

we've given nine billion pounds to support<00:13:14.519> those<00:13:15.060> who<00:13:15.240> are<00:13:15.360> struggling<00:13:15.660> well

support those who are struggling well

support those who are struggling well you<00:13:16.260> give<00:13:16.440> 450<00:13:17.160> billion<00:13:17.519> pounds<00:13:17.880> to<00:13:18.000> the<00:13:18.180> rich

you give 450 billion pounds to the rich

you give 450 billion pounds to the rich then<00:13:18.720> you<00:13:18.899> give<00:13:19.019> 9<00:13:19.260> billion<00:13:19.560> pounds<00:13:19.740> to

then you give 9 billion pounds to

then you give 9 billion pounds to support<00:13:19.920> people<00:13:20.100> who<00:13:20.279> are<00:13:20.339> struggling<00:13:20.639> you

support people who are struggling you

support people who are struggling you know<00:13:21.120> that<00:13:21.540> money<00:13:21.660> is<00:13:21.899> there<00:13:22.019> and<00:13:22.139> it<00:13:22.260> can<00:13:22.380> be

know that money is there and it can be

know that money is there and it can be used<00:13:22.680> and<00:13:23.040> you<00:13:23.279> could<00:13:23.339> increase<00:13:23.519> your<00:13:23.880> support

used and you could increase your support

used and you could increase your support by

by

by I<00:13:25.560> think<00:13:25.620> was<00:13:25.800> that<00:13:26.100> five<00:13:26.700> thousand<00:13:27.060> percent

I think was that five thousand percent

I think was that five thousand percent it's<00:13:28.560> 500<00:13:29.040> times<00:13:29.279> more<00:13:29.579> about<00:13:29.760> 50<00:13:30.000> times<00:13:30.240> more

it's 500 times more about 50 times more

it's 500 times more about 50 times more five<00:13:30.839> thousand<00:13:31.200> percent<00:13:31.320> you<00:13:31.560> can<00:13:31.680> increase

five thousand percent you can increase

five thousand percent you can increase your<00:13:32.040> support<00:13:32.220> if<00:13:32.760> you<00:13:32.880> were<00:13:33.000> to<00:13:33.120> take<00:13:33.300> this

your support if you were to take this

your support if you were to take this money<00:13:33.600> back

money back

money back um

um

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okay so one of the questions we get most

okay so one of the questions we get most on<00:13:37.320> the<00:13:37.440> channel<00:13:37.560> is

on the channel is

on the channel is what<00:13:39.420> can<00:13:39.540> I<00:13:39.720> do

what can I do

what can I do um<00:13:41.279> so<00:13:42.060> I<00:13:42.360> want<00:13:42.480> to<00:13:42.600> ask<00:13:42.720> you<00:13:42.959> what<00:13:43.680> what<00:13:43.920> would

um so I want to ask you what what would

um so I want to ask you what what would you<00:13:44.339> like<00:13:44.459> people<00:13:44.699> to<00:13:44.880> do<00:13:45.000> and<00:13:45.120> that<00:13:45.360> can<00:13:45.480> be

you like people to do and that can be

you like people to do and that can be you<00:13:46.199> know<00:13:46.260> I<00:13:46.320> don't<00:13:46.440> know<00:13:46.560> if<00:13:46.560> you<00:13:46.680> want<00:13:46.800> people

you know I don't know if you want people

you know I don't know if you want people to<00:13:47.160> get<00:13:47.399> involved<00:13:47.699> in<00:13:47.760> your<00:13:47.940> project<00:13:48.180> you're

to get involved in your project you're

to get involved in your project you're doing<00:13:48.660> or<00:13:49.199> other<00:13:49.500> ways<00:13:49.800> you<00:13:49.860> think<00:13:50.040> people<00:13:50.220> can

doing or other ways you think people can

doing or other ways you think people can can<00:13:51.720> help<00:13:52.019> avoid<00:13:52.560> this<00:13:52.740> disaster<00:13:53.040> yeah<00:13:53.940> I

can help avoid this disaster yeah I

can help avoid this disaster yeah I think<00:13:54.240> one<00:13:54.720> thing<00:13:54.899> that<00:13:55.199> I<00:13:55.440> mean<00:13:55.500> you<00:13:55.620> often

think one thing that I mean you often

think one thing that I mean you often talk<00:13:56.279> about<00:13:56.399> this<00:13:56.579> yourself<00:13:56.820> is<00:13:57.240> you<00:13:57.480> know

talk about this yourself is you know

talk about this yourself is you know it's<00:13:57.660> the<00:13:57.839> power<00:13:58.019> of<00:13:58.199> community<00:13:58.500> you<00:13:58.980> can<00:13:59.100> you

it's the power of community you can you

it's the power of community you can you see<00:13:59.519> what<00:13:59.699> happens<00:14:00.079> when<00:14:01.079> people<00:14:01.260> come

see what happens when people come

see what happens when people come together<00:14:01.740> and<00:14:02.100> they<00:14:02.279> start<00:14:02.519> raising<00:14:03.000> their

together and they start raising their

together and they start raising their voices<00:14:03.540> and<00:14:04.079> demanding<00:14:04.560> change<00:14:05.000> and<00:14:06.000> I've<00:14:06.480> I

voices and demanding change and I've I

voices and demanding change and I've I I'm<00:14:07.560> amazed<00:14:08.160> that<00:14:08.279> the<00:14:08.459> streets<00:14:08.760> are<00:14:08.940> not

I'm amazed that the streets are not

I'm amazed that the streets are not already<00:14:09.540> burning<00:14:10.440> you<00:14:10.800> know<00:14:10.920> I'm<00:14:11.639> amazed<00:14:12.240> and

already burning you know I'm amazed and

already burning you know I'm amazed and I<00:14:12.660> think<00:14:12.779> it's<00:14:13.019> probably<00:14:13.260> because<00:14:13.680> people<00:14:14.220> are

I think it's probably because people are

I think it's probably because people are you<00:14:15.660> know<00:14:15.779> everyone's<00:14:16.320> just<00:14:16.440> trying<00:14:16.620> to

you know everyone's just trying to

you know everyone's just trying to survive<00:14:17.160> the<00:14:17.459> system<00:14:17.699> aren't<00:14:18.240> they<00:14:18.420> you<00:14:18.660> know

survive the system aren't they you know

survive the system aren't they you know they're<00:14:19.019> trying<00:14:19.260> to<00:14:19.380> hold<00:14:19.740> on<00:14:19.860> to<00:14:20.040> their<00:14:20.220> jobs

they're trying to hold on to their jobs

they're trying to hold on to their jobs maybe<00:14:20.820> find<00:14:21.120> better<00:14:21.420> paying<00:14:21.839> jobs

maybe find better paying jobs

maybe find better paying jobs um<00:14:23.579> and<00:14:24.300> you<00:14:24.600> know<00:14:24.720> trying<00:14:24.899> to<00:14:25.079> pay<00:14:25.320> child<00:14:25.680> care

um and you know trying to pay child care

um and you know trying to pay child care and<00:14:27.120> so<00:14:27.240> we're<00:14:27.420> all<00:14:27.600> kind<00:14:27.839> of<00:14:27.899> distracted<00:14:28.440> and

and so we're all kind of distracted and

and so we're all kind of distracted and then<00:14:28.980> you<00:14:29.880> know<00:14:30.000> I<00:14:30.420> think<00:14:30.540> the<00:14:30.839> the<00:14:31.019> default

then you know I think the the default

then you know I think the the default reaction<00:14:31.860> is<00:14:32.100> to<00:14:32.339> consume<00:14:32.820> in<00:14:33.120> order<00:14:33.240> to<00:14:33.540> numb

reaction is to consume in order to numb

reaction is to consume in order to numb some<00:14:34.019> of<00:14:34.139> the<00:14:34.199> feelings<00:14:34.500> that<00:14:34.680> come<00:14:34.860> up<00:14:34.980> and

some of the feelings that come up and

some of the feelings that come up and you<00:14:35.579> know<00:14:35.639> the<00:14:35.760> panic<00:14:36.180> when<00:14:36.600> actually<00:14:36.839> what<00:14:37.019> we

you know the panic when actually what we

you know the panic when actually what we need<00:14:37.320> to<00:14:37.440> do<00:14:37.560> is<00:14:37.740> channel<00:14:37.980> that<00:14:38.279> into<00:14:38.519> action

need to do is channel that into action

need to do is channel that into action collectively

collectively

collectively um<00:14:40.560> and<00:14:40.920> and<00:14:41.100> you<00:14:41.579> know<00:14:41.699> start<00:14:41.940> talking<00:14:42.300> about

um and and you know start talking about

um and and you know start talking about wealth<00:14:43.199> inequality<00:14:43.680> you<00:14:44.100> know<00:14:44.220> make<00:14:44.519> it<00:14:44.699> an

wealth inequality you know make it an

wealth inequality you know make it an issue<00:14:45.240> in<00:14:45.839> the<00:14:45.899> public<00:14:46.079> domain<00:14:46.500> you<00:14:46.740> know

issue in the public domain you know

issue in the public domain you know we've<00:14:46.980> got<00:14:47.100> to<00:14:47.220> raise<00:14:47.459> public<00:14:47.880> Consciousness

we've got to raise public Consciousness

we've got to raise public Consciousness yeah<00:14:49.079> this<00:14:49.380> is<00:14:49.500> unacceptable<00:14:50.040> we<00:14:50.339> live<00:14:50.459> in<00:14:50.639> the

yeah this is unacceptable we live in the

yeah this is unacceptable we live in the fifth<00:14:51.000> most<00:14:51.180> advanced<00:14:51.779> economy<00:14:52.500> in<00:14:52.680> the<00:14:52.860> whole

fifth most advanced economy in the whole

fifth most advanced economy in the whole world<00:14:53.279> and<00:14:53.760> we've<00:14:53.940> got<00:14:54.060> more<00:14:54.240> food<00:14:54.480> banks<00:14:54.779> than

world and we've got more food banks than

world and we've got more food banks than McDonald's<00:14:55.079> in<00:14:55.440> the<00:14:55.560> UK<00:14:55.740> I<00:14:55.920> mean<00:14:56.040> yeah<00:14:56.220> a

McDonald's in the UK I mean yeah a

McDonald's in the UK I mean yeah a couple<00:14:57.000> of<00:14:57.120> weeks<00:14:57.360> ago<00:14:57.600> there<00:14:57.959> was<00:14:58.440> um<00:14:58.920> a

couple of weeks ago there was um a

couple of weeks ago there was um a hospital<00:14:59.699> that

hospital that

hospital that um<00:15:01.500> or<00:15:02.040> a<00:15:02.220> few<00:15:02.339> hospitals<00:15:02.760> that<00:15:02.940> have<00:15:03.060> started

um or a few hospitals that have started

um or a few hospitals that have started food<00:15:03.600> banks<00:15:03.899> for<00:15:04.079> their<00:15:04.380> workers<00:15:04.800> because

food banks for their workers because

food banks for their workers because they<00:15:05.279> can't<00:15:05.399> afford<00:15:05.760> to<00:15:05.880> feed<00:15:06.120> their<00:15:06.420> families

they can't afford to feed their families

they can't afford to feed their families we<00:15:07.380> shouldn't<00:15:07.620> be<00:15:07.740> accepting<00:15:08.339> this<00:15:08.880> kind<00:15:09.000> of

we shouldn't be accepting this kind of

we shouldn't be accepting this kind of stuff<00:15:09.600> you<00:15:10.500> know<00:15:10.560> in<00:15:10.980> in<00:15:11.339> the<00:15:11.579> fifth<00:15:11.940> most

stuff you know in in the fifth most

stuff you know in in the fifth most advanced<00:15:12.839> economy<00:15:13.139> in<00:15:13.320> the<00:15:13.440> whole<00:15:13.620> world<00:15:13.920> yeah

advanced economy in the whole world yeah

advanced economy in the whole world yeah I<00:15:15.060> think<00:15:15.240> it's<00:15:16.019> interesting<00:15:16.440> that<00:15:16.560> that's

I think it's interesting that that's

I think it's interesting that that's what<00:15:16.920> you<00:15:17.040> come<00:15:17.160> out<00:15:17.279> with<00:15:17.399> this<00:15:17.579> community

what you come out with this community

what you come out with this community because<00:15:18.180> this<00:15:18.480> is<00:15:18.600> a<00:15:18.660> it's<00:15:18.839> a<00:15:18.959> thing<00:15:19.139> I've<00:15:19.260> been

because this is a it's a thing I've been

because this is a it's a thing I've been thinking<00:15:19.680> about<00:15:19.800> more<00:15:20.100> and<00:15:20.220> more

thinking about more and more

thinking about more and more which<00:15:21.540> is<00:15:21.660> you<00:15:22.019> know<00:15:22.079> if<00:15:22.139> you<00:15:22.260> look<00:15:22.380> at<00:15:22.500> what's

which is you know if you look at what's

which is you know if you look at what's happening<00:15:22.860> now<00:15:23.040> in<00:15:23.220> the<00:15:23.339> economy

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the Rich has done unbelievably well in

the Rich has done unbelievably well in the<00:15:27.540> last<00:15:27.660> two<00:15:27.839> two<00:15:28.019> and<00:15:28.139> a<00:15:28.199> half<00:15:28.260> years

the last two two and a half years

the last two two and a half years unbelievably<00:15:29.459> well<00:15:29.639> they've<00:15:30.300> you<00:15:30.480> know

unbelievably well they've you know

unbelievably well they've you know I've<00:15:31.740> said<00:15:31.920> it<00:15:32.040> a<00:15:32.100> million<00:15:32.279> times<00:15:32.399> right<00:15:32.579> it's

I've said it a million times right it's

I've said it a million times right it's the<00:15:32.820> biggest<00:15:32.940> ever<00:15:33.120> increasing<00:15:33.540> wealth<00:15:33.899> you

the biggest ever increasing wealth you

the biggest ever increasing wealth you know<00:15:34.259> even<00:15:34.740> in<00:15:34.980> this<00:15:35.100> last<00:15:35.279> year<00:15:35.519> there's<00:15:36.000> been

know even in this last year there's been

know even in this last year there's been a<00:15:36.360> further<00:15:36.600> increase<00:15:36.720> you<00:15:37.079> know<00:15:37.199> we<00:15:37.440> saw<00:15:37.560> in

a further increase you know we saw in

a further increase you know we saw in the<00:15:37.860> times<00:15:37.920> riches<00:15:38.339> which<00:15:38.519> came<00:15:38.699> out<00:15:38.820> recently

the times riches which came out recently

the times riches which came out recently um

um

um and

and

and Ordinary<00:15:42.600> People<00:15:42.779> are<00:15:43.079> increasingly

Ordinary People are increasingly

Ordinary People are increasingly struggling<00:15:43.980> we're<00:15:44.220> not<00:15:44.339> just<00:15:44.459> talking<00:15:44.579> about

struggling we're not just talking about

struggling we're not just talking about the<00:15:45.000> bottom<00:15:45.360> 10<00:15:45.720> 20<00:15:46.139> we're<00:15:46.620> talking<00:15:46.800> about

the bottom 10 20 we're talking about

the bottom 10 20 we're talking about like<00:15:47.339> most<00:15:47.820> people<00:15:48.240> are<00:15:49.019> seeing<00:15:49.380> their<00:15:49.560> lives

like most people are seeing their lives

like most people are seeing their lives in<00:15:50.100> some<00:15:50.220> way<00:15:50.399> really<00:15:50.639> materially<00:15:51.060> impacted

in some way really materially impacted

in some way really materially impacted right<00:15:51.779> so<00:15:52.259> what<00:15:52.800> you're<00:15:52.920> seeing<00:15:53.279> here<00:15:53.519> is

right so what you're seeing here is

right so what you're seeing here is pretty<00:15:55.860> obviously<00:15:56.399> if<00:15:56.579> you<00:15:56.699> think<00:15:56.880> about<00:15:57.000> it

pretty obviously if you think about it

pretty obviously if you think about it what<00:15:57.300> you'd<00:15:57.600> expect<00:15:57.720> to<00:15:58.019> see<00:15:58.199> if<00:15:58.740> you<00:15:58.860> have<00:15:59.040> a

what you'd expect to see if you have a

what you'd expect to see if you have a sudden<00:15:59.519> and<00:15:59.639> big<00:15:59.820> increase<00:16:00.000> in<00:16:00.240> inequality

sudden and big increase in inequality

sudden and big increase in inequality which<00:16:01.680> is<00:16:01.860> rituals<00:16:02.699> about<00:16:02.820> to<00:16:03.000> get<00:16:03.060> much

which is rituals about to get much

which is rituals about to get much better<00:16:03.420> and<00:16:03.959> the<00:16:04.139> rest<00:16:04.259> of<00:16:04.380> us<00:16:04.500> struggle<00:16:05.339> and

better and the rest of us struggle and

better and the rest of us struggle and there's<00:16:06.420> a<00:16:06.600> question<00:16:06.720> here<00:16:06.899> of<00:16:07.079> like<00:16:07.259> why<00:16:07.620> do

there's a question here of like why do

there's a question here of like why do we<00:16:07.920> accept<00:16:08.100> this<00:16:08.399> why<00:16:08.880> do<00:16:09.060> people<00:16:09.240> accept<00:16:09.600> this

we accept this why do people accept this

we accept this why do people accept this right<00:16:10.079> like<00:16:10.320> why<00:16:10.560> and<00:16:11.100> I<00:16:11.339> think<00:16:11.459> a<00:16:12.360> problem

right like why and I think a problem

right like why and I think a problem with<00:16:13.500> it<00:16:13.680> is<00:16:13.860> what<00:16:14.100> you<00:16:14.279> say<00:16:14.459> which<00:16:14.699> is<00:16:14.820> we've

with it is what you say which is we've

with it is what you say which is we've kind<00:16:15.420> of<00:16:15.740> convinced<00:16:16.740> people<00:16:16.980> that<00:16:17.279> your<00:16:17.579> job

kind of convinced people that your job

kind of convinced people that your job is<00:16:18.180> to<00:16:18.360> take<00:16:18.480> care<00:16:18.660> of<00:16:18.720> yourself<00:16:18.839> and<00:16:19.199> to<00:16:19.320> take

is to take care of yourself and to take

is to take care of yourself and to take care<00:16:19.560> of<00:16:19.620> your<00:16:19.800> family<00:16:19.920> yeah

care of your family yeah

care of your family yeah but<00:16:21.720> we've<00:16:22.019> also<00:16:22.259> created<00:16:22.560> a<00:16:22.740> system<00:16:22.980> where

but we've also created a system where

but we've also created a system where continually<00:16:26.399> wealth<00:16:26.940> is<00:16:27.060> being<00:16:27.300> transferred

continually wealth is being transferred

continually wealth is being transferred from<00:16:28.019> the<00:16:28.199> masses<00:16:28.560> to<00:16:28.980> the<00:16:29.220> rich<00:16:29.360> which<00:16:30.360> is

from the masses to the rich which is

from the masses to the rich which is essentially<00:16:31.019> it's<00:16:31.320> sort<00:16:31.740> of<00:16:31.860> like

essentially it's sort of like

essentially it's sort of like it<00:16:33.300> makes<00:16:33.480> it<00:16:33.720> harder<00:16:34.139> and<00:16:34.259> harder<00:16:34.680> and<00:16:34.860> harder

it makes it harder and harder and harder

it makes it harder and harder and harder for<00:16:35.820> the<00:16:35.940> individual<00:16:36.420> to<00:16:37.019> take<00:16:37.139> care<00:16:37.259> of

for the individual to take care of

for the individual to take care of themselves<00:16:37.620> and<00:16:37.860> take<00:16:38.040> care<00:16:38.160> of<00:16:38.279> their<00:16:38.399> family

themselves and take care of their family

themselves and take care of their family but

but

but we've<00:16:40.800> trained<00:16:41.279> individual<00:16:41.759> people<00:16:41.940> that<00:16:42.300> you

we've trained individual people that you

we've trained individual people that you have<00:16:42.720> to<00:16:42.839> take<00:16:42.959> care<00:16:43.139> of<00:16:43.199> yourself<00:16:43.320> and<00:16:43.680> your

have to take care of yourself and your

have to take care of yourself and your family<00:16:44.040> yeah<00:16:44.459> whilst<00:16:45.060> we're<00:16:45.180> continually

family yeah whilst we're continually

family yeah whilst we're continually rigging<00:16:46.019> the<00:16:46.139> game<00:16:46.259> to<00:16:46.620> make<00:16:46.680> it<00:16:46.860> impossible

rigging the game to make it impossible

rigging the game to make it impossible it's<00:16:47.639> like<00:16:47.820> we're<00:16:48.000> sucking<00:16:48.360> the<00:16:48.480> oxygen<00:16:48.779> out

it's like we're sucking the oxygen out

it's like we're sucking the oxygen out of<00:16:49.019> the<00:16:49.139> room<00:16:49.259> and<00:16:49.560> we're<00:16:49.680> saying<00:16:49.920> just<00:16:50.160> try

of the room and we're saying just try

of the room and we're saying just try harder<00:16:50.699> to<00:16:50.820> breathe<00:16:51.120> you<00:16:51.540> know<00:16:51.660> what<00:16:51.720> I<00:16:51.779> mean

harder to breathe you know what I mean

harder to breathe you know what I mean but<00:16:52.560> if<00:16:52.800> you<00:16:52.980> don't<00:16:53.160> change<00:16:53.820> the<00:16:54.060> systemic

but if you don't change the systemic

but if you don't change the systemic problem<00:16:54.720> then<00:16:55.620> eventually<00:16:56.040> family<00:16:56.399> after

problem then eventually family after

problem then eventually family after family<00:16:56.940> after<00:16:57.180> family<00:16:57.480> is<00:16:57.660> going<00:16:57.779> to<00:16:57.899> fall<00:16:57.959> off

family after family is going to fall off

family after family is going to fall off the<00:16:58.320> bottom<00:16:58.560> and<00:16:59.339> I<00:16:59.459> think

the bottom and I think

the bottom and I think the<00:17:00.959> only<00:17:01.199> way<00:17:01.680> an<00:17:02.639> individual<00:17:03.060> person

the only way an individual person

the only way an individual person can<00:17:04.620> take<00:17:04.799> care<00:17:04.980> of<00:17:05.100> themselves<00:17:05.339> in<00:17:05.520> their

can take care of themselves in their

can take care of themselves in their family<00:17:05.760> the<00:17:06.059> long<00:17:06.179> term<00:17:06.360> in<00:17:07.140> that<00:17:07.260> situation

family the long term in that situation

family the long term in that situation is<00:17:08.459> to<00:17:08.640> unite<00:17:09.000> with<00:17:09.299> other<00:17:09.539> families<00:17:09.959> and<00:17:10.199> say

is to unite with other families and say

is to unite with other families and say listen<00:17:10.559> we<00:17:11.100> need<00:17:11.220> to<00:17:11.280> change<00:17:11.400> the<00:17:11.579> system<00:17:11.760> here

listen we need to change the system here

listen we need to change the system here because<00:17:12.240> the<00:17:12.660> oxygen<00:17:13.020> is<00:17:13.140> being<00:17:13.260> sucked<00:17:13.679> up<00:17:14.280> so

because the oxygen is being sucked up so

because the oxygen is being sucked up so I<00:17:14.699> think<00:17:14.819> sort<00:17:15.000> of<00:17:15.120> this<00:17:15.299> is<00:17:15.480> why<00:17:15.600> I'm<00:17:15.839> saying

I think sort of this is why I'm saying

I think sort of this is why I'm saying in<00:17:16.860> a<00:17:16.919> lot<00:17:17.039> of<00:17:17.100> my<00:17:17.220> videos<00:17:17.339> you<00:17:17.640> need<00:17:17.819> to<00:17:17.939> come

in a lot of my videos you need to come

in a lot of my videos you need to come together<00:17:18.240> you<00:17:18.839> need<00:17:19.020> to<00:17:19.140> come<00:17:19.260> together<00:17:19.439> you

together you need to come together you

together you need to come together you know<00:17:19.860> because<00:17:20.039> and<00:17:20.699> you<00:17:20.880> know<00:17:20.939> you<00:17:21.120> see

know because and you know you see

know because and you know you see increasingly<00:17:21.900> in<00:17:22.020> the<00:17:22.140> media

increasingly in the media

increasingly in the media trying<00:17:23.640> to<00:17:23.880> drive<00:17:24.059> division<00:17:24.480> between<00:17:24.959> people

trying to drive division between people

trying to drive division between people from<00:17:26.039> the<00:17:26.339> north<00:17:26.459> and<00:17:26.760> people<00:17:26.939> from<00:17:27.179> the<00:17:27.360> South

from the north and people from the South

from the north and people from the South and<00:17:27.839> between<00:17:28.079> people<00:17:28.500> of<00:17:28.679> different

and between people of different

and between people of different ethnicities<00:17:29.520> and<00:17:29.880> between<00:17:30.120> people<00:17:30.480> of

ethnicities and between people of

ethnicities and between people of different<00:17:30.960> cultures<00:17:31.380> and<00:17:31.679> even<00:17:31.919> between<00:17:32.100> men

different cultures and even between men

different cultures and even between men and<00:17:32.520> women<00:17:32.700> you<00:17:33.000> know<00:17:33.059> you<00:17:33.179> try<00:17:33.419> and<00:17:33.600> see

and women you know you try and see

and women you know you try and see divisions<00:17:35.039> being

divisions being

divisions being being<00:17:37.140> driven<00:17:37.559> by<00:17:37.740> the<00:17:37.919> media<00:17:38.280> and<00:17:39.059> I<00:17:39.179> feel

being driven by the media and I feel

being driven by the media and I feel that's<00:17:39.900> because<00:17:40.080> they<00:17:40.440> know<00:17:40.679> that<00:17:40.980> if<00:17:41.100> people

that's because they know that if people

that's because they know that if people were<00:17:41.460> to<00:17:41.520> actually<00:17:41.760> come<00:17:42.480> together<00:17:42.660> and<00:17:43.020> say

were to actually come together and say

were to actually come together and say look<00:17:43.320> at<00:17:43.440> what's<00:17:43.559> happening<00:17:43.799> here<00:17:44.039> they<00:17:44.700> would

look at what's happening here they would

look at what's happening here they would agree<00:17:45.059> that<00:17:45.299> we<00:17:45.480> need<00:17:45.600> to<00:17:45.660> tax<00:17:45.840> the<00:17:46.020> Richmond

agree that we need to tax the Richmond

agree that we need to tax the Richmond and<00:17:46.440> make<00:17:46.559> life<00:17:46.679> better<00:17:46.799> for<00:17:46.980> Ordinary<00:17:47.340> People

and make life better for Ordinary People

and make life better for Ordinary People yeah<00:17:47.880> I<00:17:48.179> mean<00:17:48.780> um<00:17:48.840> is<00:17:49.140> it<00:17:49.260> Thomas<00:17:49.559> piketti<00:17:50.340> who

yeah I mean um is it Thomas piketti who

yeah I mean um is it Thomas piketti who says<00:17:50.880> is<00:17:51.120> basically<00:17:51.419> saying<00:17:51.780> that<00:17:51.840> we're

says is basically saying that we're

says is basically saying that we're going<00:17:52.260> backwards<00:17:53.039> towards<00:17:53.460> 19th<00:17:54.059> century

going backwards towards 19th century

going backwards towards 19th century levels<00:17:55.200> of<00:17:55.320> inequality<00:17:55.919> yeah<00:17:56.400> which<00:17:56.760> is

levels of inequality yeah which is

levels of inequality yeah which is terrifying<00:17:57.419> and<00:17:57.720> you<00:17:57.840> know<00:17:57.960> we<00:17:58.080> all<00:17:58.200> know<00:17:58.380> what

terrifying and you know we all know what

terrifying and you know we all know what happens

happens

happens when<00:18:00.240> societies<00:18:00.720> become<00:18:01.080> horribly<00:18:01.440> unequal

when societies become horribly unequal

when societies become horribly unequal it's<00:18:02.100> bad<00:18:02.820> for<00:18:03.120> democracies<00:18:03.660> it<00:18:04.020> destabilizes

it's bad for democracies it destabilizes

it's bad for democracies it destabilizes democracies<00:18:05.460> it's<00:18:05.760> not<00:18:06.000> healthy<00:18:06.900> for

democracies it's not healthy for

democracies it's not healthy for societies<00:18:07.740> to<00:18:08.220> be

societies to be

societies to be drastically<00:18:10.020> unequal

drastically unequal

drastically unequal yeah<00:18:12.059> well<00:18:12.419> I<00:18:12.960> mean<00:18:13.080> this<00:18:13.200> is<00:18:13.320> exactly<00:18:13.620> what

yeah well I mean this is exactly what

yeah well I mean this is exactly what this<00:18:13.860> channel<00:18:14.039> is<00:18:14.160> about<00:18:14.340> to<00:18:14.520> let<00:18:14.640> people<00:18:14.820> know

this channel is about to let people know

this channel is about to let people know and<00:18:15.240> to<00:18:15.419> let<00:18:15.539> people<00:18:15.660> know<00:18:15.840> that<00:18:15.960> it's<00:18:16.140> not

and to let people know that it's not

and to let people know that it's not whilst<00:18:17.039> it<00:18:17.220> is<00:18:17.400> not<00:18:17.520> good<00:18:17.700> for<00:18:17.880> my<00:18:18.000> moral

whilst it is not good for my moral

whilst it is not good for my moral perspective<00:18:18.660> it<00:18:18.960> is<00:18:19.080> affecting<00:18:19.500> your<00:18:19.620> family

perspective it is affecting your family

perspective it is affecting your family this<00:18:20.100> is<00:18:20.220> why<00:18:20.340> you<00:18:20.460> can't<00:18:20.640> get<00:18:20.880> a<00:18:21.059> house<00:18:21.179> that's

this is why you can't get a house that's

this is why you can't get a house that's why<00:18:21.480> I<00:18:21.600> can't<00:18:21.660> get<00:18:21.780> Financial<00:18:21.960> Security<00:18:22.320> and

why I can't get Financial Security and

why I can't get Financial Security and it<00:18:22.919> doesn't<00:18:23.039> have<00:18:23.220> to<00:18:23.340> be<00:18:23.400> this<00:18:23.580> way<00:18:23.840> yes<00:18:24.840> which

it doesn't have to be this way yes which

it doesn't have to be this way yes which is<00:18:25.260> on<00:18:25.500> that<00:18:25.679> point<00:18:25.919> I<00:18:26.460> want<00:18:26.580> to<00:18:26.700> come<00:18:26.820> to<00:18:26.940> the

is on that point I want to come to the

is on that point I want to come to the last<00:18:27.240> thing<00:18:27.419> which<00:18:27.660> is<00:18:27.840> basically<00:18:28.260> like<00:18:28.559> okay

last thing which is basically like okay

last thing which is basically like okay things<00:18:29.460> are<00:18:29.700> not<00:18:29.760> good<00:18:29.940> things<00:18:30.059> are<00:18:30.179> getting

things are not good things are getting

things are not good things are getting worse

worse

worse but<00:18:32.340> I<00:18:32.460> want<00:18:32.580> to<00:18:32.700> give<00:18:32.820> people<00:18:33.059> a<00:18:33.900> message

but I want to give people a message

but I want to give people a message perhaps<00:18:34.679> of<00:18:34.799> how<00:18:35.039> things<00:18:35.280> can<00:18:35.940> get<00:18:36.120> better<00:18:36.360> so

perhaps of how things can get better so

perhaps of how things can get better so so<00:18:37.020> do<00:18:37.620> you<00:18:37.799> think<00:18:37.860> there's<00:18:37.980> a<00:18:38.160> way<00:18:38.280> which<00:18:38.640> we

so do you think there's a way which we

so do you think there's a way which we can<00:18:39.600> start<00:18:39.720> moving<00:18:40.140> Society<00:18:40.440> to<00:18:40.679> a<00:18:40.799> direction

can start moving Society to a direction

can start moving Society to a direction where<00:18:41.280> things<00:18:41.520> are<00:18:41.940> getting<00:18:42.120> better<00:18:42.419> and

where things are getting better and

where things are getting better and we're<00:18:43.320> moving<00:18:43.559> towards<00:18:43.860> positive<00:18:44.280> progress

we're moving towards positive progress

we're moving towards positive progress yeah<00:18:46.380> I<00:18:46.559> mean<00:18:46.679> I<00:18:46.860> think<00:18:47.039> uh<00:18:47.400> you<00:18:47.760> know<00:18:47.820> I

yeah I mean I think uh you know I

yeah I mean I think uh you know I thought<00:18:48.299> it's<00:18:48.419> a<00:18:48.600> bit<00:18:48.660> about<00:18:48.840> public

thought it's a bit about public

thought it's a bit about public Consciousness<00:18:50.220> and<00:18:50.580> engagement<00:18:51.320> in<00:18:52.580> you<00:18:53.580> know

Consciousness and engagement in you know

Consciousness and engagement in you know not<00:18:53.880> giving<00:18:54.120> up<00:18:54.419> and<00:18:54.660> not<00:18:54.900> accepting<00:18:55.320> that

not giving up and not accepting that

not giving up and not accepting that this<00:18:55.740> is<00:18:55.919> okay

this is okay

this is okay um<00:18:57.720> you<00:18:58.260> talked<00:18:58.500> a<00:18:58.559> bit<00:18:58.620> about<00:18:58.799> you<00:18:59.340> it's<00:18:59.880> all

um you talked a bit about you it's all

um you talked a bit about you it's all on<00:19:00.360> us<00:19:00.480> as<00:19:00.660> individuals<00:19:01.140> that<00:19:01.440> is<00:19:01.620> a<00:19:01.799> very

on us as individuals that is a very

on us as individuals that is a very powerful<00:19:02.280> narrative<00:19:02.760> that<00:19:03.000> has<00:19:03.120> been

powerful narrative that has been

powerful narrative that has been cultivated<00:19:03.840> by<00:19:04.200> particular<00:19:04.799> sections<00:19:05.400> of<00:19:05.580> I

cultivated by particular sections of I

cultivated by particular sections of I guess<00:19:05.820> of<00:19:06.000> the<00:19:06.179> political<00:19:06.780> Elite<00:19:07.260> and<00:19:07.440> as

guess of the political Elite and as

guess of the political Elite and as you<00:19:08.700> know<00:19:08.760> it's<00:19:09.480> very<00:19:09.780> strong<00:19:10.080> culture<00:19:10.740> but<00:19:11.220> we

you know it's very strong culture but we

you know it's very strong culture but we need<00:19:11.880> to<00:19:12.240> to<00:19:12.539> learn<00:19:12.840> to<00:19:13.020> cooperate<00:19:13.620> together

need to to learn to cooperate together

need to to learn to cooperate together as<00:19:14.340> communities<00:19:14.880> and<00:19:15.600> one<00:19:16.200> thing<00:19:16.320> I<00:19:16.500> feel

as communities and one thing I feel

as communities and one thing I feel really<00:19:16.860> strongly<00:19:17.220> about<00:19:17.460> is<00:19:17.940> empowering

really strongly about is empowering

really strongly about is empowering people<00:19:18.960> to

people to

people to um<00:19:20.760> be<00:19:21.299> active<00:19:21.600> citizens<00:19:22.080> you<00:19:22.860> know<00:19:22.919> write

um be active citizens you know write

um be active citizens you know write write<00:19:23.220> to<00:19:23.700> your<00:19:23.820> MP<00:19:24.120> harass<00:19:24.660> your<00:19:24.900> MP<00:19:25.320> that's

write to your MP harass your MP that's

write to your MP harass your MP that's what<00:19:25.799> they're<00:19:25.919> there<00:19:26.160> for<00:19:26.340> you<00:19:27.179> know<00:19:27.240> learn<00:19:28.080> to

what they're there for you know learn to

what they're there for you know learn to make<00:19:28.440> Freedom<00:19:28.860> of<00:19:28.980> Information<00:19:29.220> requests<00:19:30.419> you

make Freedom of Information requests you

make Freedom of Information requests you know<00:19:31.020> get<00:19:31.440> the<00:19:31.620> get<00:19:31.919> the<00:19:32.100> receipts<00:19:32.640> you<00:19:33.059> know

know get the get the receipts you know

know get the get the receipts you know yeah

yeah

yeah um you<00:19:34.919> know<00:19:34.980> you<00:19:35.940> can<00:19:36.000> you're<00:19:36.240> able<00:19:36.539> to<00:19:36.660> to

um you know you can you're able to to

um you know you can you're able to to write<00:19:37.500> to<00:19:37.679> lots<00:19:37.919> of<00:19:37.980> different<00:19:38.160> public<00:19:38.820> bodies

write to lots of different public bodies

write to lots of different public bodies and<00:19:39.539> make<00:19:39.840> make<00:19:39.960> freedom<00:19:40.380> information<00:19:40.500> on<00:19:41.460> top

and make make freedom information on top

and make make freedom information on top of<00:19:41.700> that<00:19:41.820> is<00:19:42.000> you<00:19:42.480> know<00:19:42.539> because<00:19:42.780> some<00:19:43.140> people

of that is you know because some people

of that is you know because some people might<00:19:43.440> write<00:19:43.620> to<00:19:43.740> MP<00:19:44.100> and<00:19:44.280> you<00:19:44.400> know<00:19:44.460> they

might write to MP and you know they

might write to MP and you know they might<00:19:44.700> not<00:19:44.820> get<00:19:44.940> the<00:19:45.059> responses<00:19:45.419> they<00:19:45.600> want

might not get the responses they want

might not get the responses they want but<00:19:46.080> on<00:19:46.320> top<00:19:46.440> of<00:19:46.559> that<00:19:46.740> you<00:19:47.520> need<00:19:47.640> to<00:19:47.820> build

but on top of that you need to build

but on top of that you need to build those<00:19:48.240> connections<00:19:48.780> within<00:19:49.500> your<00:19:49.679> community

those connections within your community

those connections within your community within<00:19:50.520> your<00:19:50.820> family<00:19:51.240> the<00:19:51.480> people<00:19:51.660> you<00:19:51.840> work

within your family the people you work

within your family the people you work with<00:19:52.200> because

with because

with because ultimately<00:19:54.679> that<00:19:55.679> is

ultimately that is

ultimately that is the<00:19:57.419> power<00:19:57.539> of<00:19:57.720> Ordinary<00:19:58.140> People<00:19:58.380> yeah<00:19:58.740> is

the power of Ordinary People yeah is

the power of Ordinary People yeah is that<00:19:59.039> there's<00:19:59.220> more<00:19:59.400> of<00:19:59.520> them<00:19:59.640> and<00:20:00.120> if

that there's more of them and if

that there's more of them and if if those<00:20:02.100> connections<00:20:02.580> get<00:20:02.760> built<00:20:03.120> people

if those connections get built people

if those connections get built people will<00:20:03.659> realize<00:20:04.140> that<00:20:04.620> listen<00:20:04.980> we're<00:20:05.280> all

will realize that listen we're all

will realize that listen we're all getting<00:20:05.520> hit<00:20:05.700> by<00:20:05.880> this<00:20:06.059> you<00:20:06.360> know<00:20:06.480> everyone<00:20:07.080> in

getting hit by this you know everyone in

getting hit by this you know everyone in the<00:20:07.440> bottom<00:20:07.559> sort<00:20:07.799> of<00:20:07.919> 90<00:20:08.159> is<00:20:08.760> getting<00:20:08.880> hurt<00:20:09.059> by

the bottom sort of 90 is getting hurt by

the bottom sort of 90 is getting hurt by this<00:20:09.360> and<00:20:09.480> things<00:20:09.659> are<00:20:09.780> getting<00:20:09.900> harder<00:20:10.320> and

this and things are getting harder and

this and things are getting harder and harder<00:20:10.740> and<00:20:10.860> harder<00:20:11.100> generation<00:20:11.520> after

harder and harder generation after

harder and harder generation after generation<00:20:12.240> so<00:20:12.720> if<00:20:12.840> we<00:20:13.020> have<00:20:13.140> those

generation so if we have those

generation so if we have those connections

connections

connections and<00:20:14.880> people<00:20:15.000> realize<00:20:15.419> we're<00:20:15.600> in<00:20:15.780> this

and people realize we're in this

and people realize we're in this together

together

together then

then

then that'll<00:20:18.539> be<00:20:18.659> our<00:20:18.780> power<00:20:18.960> yeah<00:20:19.640> and<00:20:20.640> I<00:20:20.760> think

that'll be our power yeah and I think

that'll be our power yeah and I think there's<00:20:21.000> so<00:20:21.240> much<00:20:21.360> power<00:20:21.600> in<00:20:21.840> social

there's so much power in social

there's so much power in social movements<00:20:22.679> as<00:20:22.860> well<00:20:23.039> like<00:20:23.340> when<00:20:23.520> you<00:20:23.700> think

movements as well like when you think

movements as well like when you think about<00:20:24.000> it

about it

about it there<00:20:25.380> was<00:20:25.559> a<00:20:25.740> time<00:20:25.919> in<00:20:26.280> life<00:20:26.520> where<00:20:27.120> I

there was a time in life where I

there was a time in life where I wouldn't<00:20:27.539> have<00:20:27.720> had<00:20:27.840> a<00:20:28.020> bank<00:20:28.140> account<00:20:28.320> because

wouldn't have had a bank account because

wouldn't have had a bank account because I<00:20:28.740> wouldn't<00:20:28.799> have<00:20:28.980> been<00:20:29.100> allowed<00:20:29.400> one<00:20:29.520> in<00:20:29.940> my

I wouldn't have been allowed one in my

I wouldn't have been allowed one in my own<00:20:30.179> name<00:20:30.360> I<00:20:30.960> wouldn't<00:20:31.080> have<00:20:31.260> been<00:20:31.320> able<00:20:31.440> to

own name I wouldn't have been able to

own name I wouldn't have been able to vote

vote

vote we<00:20:32.820> didn't<00:20:32.940> have<00:20:33.120> an<00:20:33.240> NHS<00:20:33.659> it<00:20:33.900> was<00:20:34.020> like<00:20:34.140> a

we didn't have an NHS it was like a

we didn't have an NHS it was like a radical<00:20:35.039> Marxist<00:20:35.580> idea<00:20:36.000> you<00:20:36.960> know

radical Marxist idea you know

radical Marxist idea you know yeah<00:20:38.159> we<00:20:38.700> can<00:20:38.880> really<00:20:39.120> change<00:20:39.419> stuff<00:20:39.720> and

yeah we can really change stuff and

yeah we can really change stuff and those<00:20:40.500> things<00:20:40.620> were<00:20:40.860> yeah<00:20:41.100> those<00:20:41.280> things<00:20:41.400> were

those things were yeah those things were

those things were yeah those things were achieved<00:20:41.880> by<00:20:42.179> poor<00:20:43.080> people<00:20:43.200> coming<00:20:43.620> together

achieved by poor people coming together

achieved by poor people coming together and<00:20:44.220> demanding<00:20:44.700> them<00:20:44.820> you<00:20:45.120> know<00:20:45.240> and<00:20:45.360> I<00:20:45.480> think

and demanding them you know and I think

and demanding them you know and I think it's<00:20:45.720> worth<00:20:45.900> people<00:20:46.140> remembering<00:20:46.740> that<00:20:46.919> you

it's worth people remembering that you

it's worth people remembering that you know<00:20:47.220> 70<00:20:48.120> years<00:20:48.480> ago

know 70 years ago

know 70 years ago the<00:20:49.980> poor<00:20:50.220> people<00:20:50.280> of<00:20:50.460> this<00:20:50.580> country<00:20:50.760> demanded

the poor people of this country demanded

the poor people of this country demanded housing<00:20:52.200> Education<00:20:52.679> Health<00:20:52.980> Care<00:20:53.220> you<00:20:53.520> know

housing Education Health Care you know

housing Education Health Care you know for<00:20:54.120> anyone<00:20:54.480> who<00:20:54.659> is

for anyone who is

for anyone who is going<00:20:55.919> to<00:20:56.100> work<00:20:56.220> and<00:20:56.520> and<00:20:56.640> they<00:20:56.820> got<00:20:56.940> it<00:20:57.059> you

going to work and and they got it you

going to work and and they got it you know<00:20:57.240> we<00:20:57.419> can<00:20:57.539> still<00:20:57.720> have<00:20:57.900> that<00:20:58.080> now<00:20:58.380> so<00:20:58.980> um<00:20:59.460> I

know we can still have that now so um I

know we can still have that now so um I think<00:21:00.000> it's<00:21:00.120> possible<00:21:00.480> and<00:21:00.900> I<00:21:01.020> wouldn't<00:21:01.140> do

think it's possible and I wouldn't do

think it's possible and I wouldn't do this<00:21:01.500> if<00:21:01.679> I<00:21:01.799> didn't<00:21:01.860> think<00:21:02.039> it's<00:21:02.100> possible<00:21:02.400> you

this if I didn't think it's possible you

this if I didn't think it's possible you know<00:21:02.760> like<00:21:03.299> you<00:21:03.539> I<00:21:03.720> left<00:21:03.840> a<00:21:04.020> job<00:21:04.140> that<00:21:04.320> was<00:21:04.440> a

know like you I left a job that was a

know like you I left a job that was a well-paid<00:21:04.860> job<00:21:05.039> because<00:21:05.220> I<00:21:05.460> think<00:21:05.520> we<00:21:05.700> can

well-paid job because I think we can

well-paid job because I think we can make<00:21:05.940> things<00:21:06.120> better<00:21:06.360> so<00:21:06.539> yeah<00:21:07.380> no<00:21:07.559> it's

make things better so yeah no it's

make things better so yeah no it's eminently<00:21:08.220> possible<00:21:08.640> I<00:21:09.299> think<00:21:09.419> it's<00:21:09.720> all

eminently possible I think it's all

eminently possible I think it's all about<00:21:10.020> mindset<00:21:10.559> we've<00:21:10.860> got<00:21:10.980> a<00:21:11.100> this<00:21:11.280> is<00:21:11.400> gonna

about mindset we've got a this is gonna

about mindset we've got a this is gonna be<00:21:11.700> a<00:21:11.820> long<00:21:11.940> game<00:21:12.179> we<00:21:12.659> really<00:21:12.780> need<00:21:12.960> each<00:21:13.200> other

be a long game we really need each other

be a long game we really need each other um<00:21:14.520> to<00:21:14.700> encourage<00:21:15.120> each<00:21:15.299> other<00:21:15.419> and<00:21:15.600> support

um to encourage each other and support

um to encourage each other and support each<00:21:16.020> other<00:21:16.200> as<00:21:16.500> as<00:21:16.740> we<00:21:17.039> kind<00:21:17.280> of<00:21:17.400> resist<00:21:17.820> you

each other as as we kind of resist you

each other as as we kind of resist you know<00:21:18.299> so<00:21:19.260> yeah<00:21:19.559> the<00:21:20.159> future's<00:21:20.520> bright

know so yeah the future's bright

know so yeah the future's bright hopefully<00:21:22.200> if<00:21:22.380> people<00:21:22.500> come<00:21:22.740> together<00:21:22.919> it<00:21:23.400> can

hopefully if people come together it can

hopefully if people come together it can be

be

be um<00:21:24.600> I<00:21:24.780> think<00:21:24.900> that's<00:21:25.140> pretty<00:21:25.380> much<00:21:25.559> done<00:21:26.580> um

um I think that's pretty much done um

um I think that's pretty much done um good<00:21:27.299> answer<00:21:27.480> to<00:21:27.720> some<00:21:27.780> movement<00:21:27.960> Stephanie

good answer to some movement Stephanie

good answer to some movement Stephanie Robbie<00:21:28.799> if<00:21:29.280> people<00:21:29.400> want<00:21:29.640> to<00:21:29.760> follow<00:21:29.880> you<00:21:30.120> is

Robbie if people want to follow you is

Robbie if people want to follow you is there<00:21:30.480> anything<00:21:30.600> they<00:21:30.900> should<00:21:31.080> do<00:21:31.280> yeah<00:21:32.280> they

there anything they should do yeah they

there anything they should do yeah they can<00:21:32.580> follow<00:21:32.700> me<00:21:32.880> on<00:21:33.059> Twitter<00:21:33.240> I'm<00:21:33.539> at<00:21:33.960> Steph

can follow me on Twitter I'm at Steph

can follow me on Twitter I'm at Steph underscore<00:21:34.860> Robbie<00:21:35.280> okay<00:21:36.000> and<00:21:36.720> um<00:21:36.720> I<00:21:37.020> think

underscore Robbie okay and um I think

underscore Robbie okay and um I think that's<00:21:37.200> all<00:21:37.440> thank<00:21:37.679> you<00:21:37.740> very<00:21:37.860> much<00:21:37.919> for<00:21:38.100> the

that's all thank you very much for the

that's all thank you very much for the work<00:21:38.340> that<00:21:38.520> you're<00:21:38.640> doing<00:21:38.820> and<00:21:39.539> um<00:21:39.600> yeah<00:21:39.840> if<00:21:40.020> we

work that you're doing and um yeah if we

work that you're doing and um yeah if we need<00:21:40.260> any<00:21:40.380> more<00:21:40.559> people<00:21:40.679> to<00:21:40.860> come<00:21:40.980> in<00:21:41.100> there

need any more people to come in there

need any more people to come in there let<00:21:42.299> the<00:21:42.659> fans<00:21:43.080> know<00:21:43.260> what's<00:21:43.440> happening<00:21:43.679> with

let the fans know what's happening with

let the fans know what's happening with the<00:21:43.919> super<00:21:44.039> rich<00:21:44.220> I<00:21:44.520> hope<00:21:44.640> you'll<00:21:44.760> get<00:21:44.880> on

the super rich I hope you'll get on

the super rich I hope you'll get on again<00:21:45.179> sometime<00:21:45.480> thank<00:21:45.720> you<00:21:45.840> very<00:21:45.960> much<00:21:46.080> for

again sometime thank you very much for

again sometime thank you very much for coming<00:21:46.320> on<00:21:46.559> thanks<00:21:46.919> Gary<00:21:47.159> thanks<00:21:47.400> for<00:21:47.580> having

coming on thanks Gary thanks for having

coming on thanks Gary thanks for having me

me

me okay<00:21:49.020> good

okay good

okay good nice

nice

nice but<00:21:53.100> it's<00:21:53.220> it's<00:21:53.400> about<00:21:53.820> coming<00:21:54.120> back<00:21:54.419> to<00:21:54.659> the

but it's it's about coming back to the

but it's it's about coming back to the the<00:21:55.020> issue<00:21:55.440> that<00:21:55.799> it's<00:21:56.100> about<00:21:56.280> the<00:21:56.640> system<00:21:56.880> the

the issue that it's about the system the

the issue that it's about the system the system<00:21:57.840> is<00:21:58.380> this<00:21:58.799> way<00:21:58.980> by<00:21:59.340> Design<00:21:59.720> and<00:22:00.720> that's

system is this way by Design and that's

system is this way by Design and that's what<00:22:01.200> we<00:22:01.440> continually<00:22:01.980> have<00:22:02.220> to<00:22:02.400> change<00:22:02.640> and

what we continually have to change and

what we continually have to change and the<00:22:03.360> system<00:22:03.539> wants<00:22:03.960> you<00:22:04.020> to<00:22:04.140> think<00:22:04.260> it's<00:22:04.440> your

the system wants you to think it's your

the system wants you to think it's your fault<00:22:04.980> individually<00:22:05.940> and<00:22:06.240> then<00:22:06.360> it's<00:22:06.480> on<00:22:06.659> you

fault individually and then it's on you

fault individually and then it's on you as<00:22:07.080> an<00:22:07.200> individual<00:22:07.620> but<00:22:08.100> we<00:22:08.280> have<00:22:08.520> to<00:22:08.580> change

as an individual but we have to change

as an individual but we have to change the<00:22:09.059> system<00:22:09.179> and<00:22:09.539> we<00:22:09.659> can<00:22:09.780> only<00:22:09.900> do<00:22:10.200> that

the system and we can only do that

the system and we can only do that through<00:22:10.980> you<00:22:11.880> know<00:22:12.000> political<00:22:12.600> action<00:22:12.960> it's

through you know political action it's

through you know political action it's about<00:22:13.799> the<00:22:13.980> system<00:22:14.100> but<00:22:14.340> it's<00:22:14.460> also<00:22:14.700> about

about the system but it's also about

about the system but it's also about power<00:22:15.240> like<00:22:16.140> if<00:22:16.260> you<00:22:16.440> create<00:22:16.620> a<00:22:16.919> setup<00:22:17.340> of

power like if you create a setup of

power like if you create a setup of power<00:22:17.760> where<00:22:18.240> like<00:22:18.480> all<00:22:18.659> of<00:22:18.780> the<00:22:18.960> power<00:22:19.080> is<00:22:19.320> in

power where like all of the power is in

power where like all of the power is in this<00:22:19.620> one<00:22:19.799> percent<00:22:19.980> and<00:22:20.640> the<00:22:20.760> bottom<00:22:21.000> 70<00:22:21.179> 80

this one percent and the bottom 70 80

this one percent and the bottom 70 80 are<00:22:21.960> basically<00:22:22.200> no<00:22:22.380> power<00:22:22.880> well<00:22:23.880> if<00:22:24.299> you<00:22:24.480> play

are basically no power well if you play

are basically no power well if you play a<00:22:24.960> game<00:22:25.080> a<00:22:25.380> competitive<00:22:25.740> game<00:22:25.919> with<00:22:26.100> no<00:22:26.220> power

a game a competitive game with no power

a game a competitive game with no power you<00:22:27.000> will<00:22:27.120> lose<00:22:27.299> the<00:22:27.480> game<00:22:27.600> but<00:22:28.080> we<00:22:28.260> still<00:22:28.440> do

you will lose the game but we still do

you will lose the game but we still do live<00:22:28.740> in<00:22:28.860> a<00:22:28.980> democracy<00:22:29.460> that<00:22:29.940> 70<00:22:30.179> 80<00:22:30.419> can<00:22:30.840> come

live in a democracy that 70 80 can come

live in a democracy that 70 80 can come together<00:22:31.140> and<00:22:31.500> say<00:22:31.620> well<00:22:31.740> no<00:22:31.980> let's<00:22:32.159> change

together and say well no let's change

together and say well no let's change the<00:22:32.580> rules<00:22:32.760> let's<00:22:33.000> change<00:22:33.179> the<00:22:33.299> balance<00:22:33.539> of

the rules let's change the balance of

the rules let's change the balance of power<00:22:33.840> yeah<00:22:34.080> let's<00:22:34.380> give<00:22:34.620> ourselves<00:22:34.980> as<00:22:35.280> a

power yeah let's give ourselves as a

power yeah let's give ourselves as a group<00:22:35.520> a<00:22:35.820> chance<00:22:36.000> so<00:22:36.900> you<00:22:37.080> know<00:22:37.200> the<00:22:37.500> first

group a chance so you know the first

group a chance so you know the first they<00:22:37.860> need<00:22:37.980> to<00:22:38.100> know<00:22:38.220> they<00:22:38.400> can<00:22:38.520> change<00:22:38.700> the

they need to know they can change the

they need to know they can change the rules<00:22:39.120> that<00:22:39.539> the<00:22:39.720> rules<00:22:39.900> can<00:22:40.080> be<00:22:40.200> changed

rules that the rules can be changed

rules that the rules can be changed because<00:22:40.679> yeah<00:22:40.980> we<00:22:41.400> operate<00:22:41.700> as<00:22:41.940> if<00:22:42.179> the<00:22:42.780> rules

because yeah we operate as if the rules

because yeah we operate as if the rules are<00:22:43.200> fixed<00:22:43.620> yeah<00:22:44.039> and<00:22:44.280> this<00:22:44.820> is<00:22:44.940> a<00:22:45.059> good

are fixed yeah and this is a good

are fixed yeah and this is a good question<00:22:45.360> actually<00:22:45.659> because<00:22:45.960> you<00:22:46.620> know<00:22:46.740> I

question actually because you know I

question actually because you know I talk<00:22:46.980> about<00:22:47.100> taxing<00:22:47.700> the<00:22:47.880> rich<00:22:48.059> and<00:22:48.960> back<00:22:49.200> when

talk about taxing the rich and back when

talk about taxing the rich and back when I<00:22:49.559> first<00:22:49.740> started<00:22:50.039> doing<00:22:50.220> this<00:22:50.520> people<00:22:51.000> just

I first started doing this people just

I first started doing this people just come<00:22:51.539> back<00:22:51.659> and<00:22:51.780> say<00:22:51.900> oh<00:22:52.020> you<00:22:52.140> shouldn't<00:22:52.260> tax

come back and say oh you shouldn't tax

come back and say oh you shouldn't tax them<00:22:52.980> because<00:22:53.220> blah<00:22:53.640> blah<00:22:53.880> blah<00:22:54.059> it's<00:22:54.240> not

them because blah blah blah it's not

them because blah blah blah it's not good<00:22:54.419> for<00:22:54.539> the<00:22:54.659> economy<00:22:55.020> now<00:22:55.500> what<00:22:55.740> comes<00:22:56.039> back

good for the economy now what comes back

good for the economy now what comes back is<00:22:56.400> you<00:22:56.700> can't<00:22:56.820> tax<00:22:57.059> them<00:22:57.299> because<00:22:57.480> they'll

is you can't tax them because they'll

is you can't tax them because they'll leave<00:22:57.960> so<00:22:58.799> this<00:22:58.919> is<00:22:59.039> a<00:22:59.100> good<00:22:59.220> question<00:22:59.400> from

leave so this is a good question from

leave so this is a good question from someone<00:22:59.760> who<00:23:00.000> has<00:23:00.120> some<00:23:00.299> tax<00:23:00.480> background<00:23:00.840> do

someone who has some tax background do

someone who has some tax background do you<00:23:01.320> think<00:23:01.500> it<00:23:01.679> is<00:23:01.860> possible<00:23:02.640> to<00:23:02.880> tax<00:23:03.000> the<00:23:03.240> rich

you think it is possible to tax the rich

you think it is possible to tax the rich I<00:23:04.679> think<00:23:04.860> it's<00:23:05.039> possible<00:23:05.400> to<00:23:05.580> tax<00:23:05.760> the<00:23:06.000> rich

I think it's possible to tax the rich

I think it's possible to tax the rich but<00:23:06.480> because<00:23:06.720> again<00:23:07.200> it's<00:23:07.500> all<00:23:07.620> by<00:23:07.919> Design<00:23:08.159> I

but because again it's all by Design I

but because again it's all by Design I think<00:23:09.000> there<00:23:09.240> are<00:23:09.419> there<00:23:10.080> are<00:23:10.320> ways<00:23:10.799> of<00:23:11.039> you

think there are there are ways of you

think there are there are ways of you know<00:23:11.520> lots<00:23:11.820> of<00:23:11.880> people<00:23:12.000> do<00:23:12.299> have<00:23:12.620> UK<00:23:13.620> assets

know lots of people do have UK assets

know lots of people do have UK assets um<00:23:15.840> which<00:23:16.140> might<00:23:16.380> be<00:23:16.500> tied<00:23:16.679> up<00:23:16.980> in<00:23:17.340> various

um which might be tied up in various

um which might be tied up in various kind<00:23:18.179> of<00:23:18.240> offshore<00:23:18.600> structures<00:23:19.140> but<00:23:19.799> there

kind of offshore structures but there

kind of offshore structures but there are<00:23:20.159> ways<00:23:20.520> of<00:23:20.640> taxing<00:23:21.120> them<00:23:21.240> there<00:23:21.480> are<00:23:21.600> ways

are ways of taxing them there are ways

are ways of taxing them there are ways of<00:23:22.020> creating<00:23:22.500> uh<00:23:23.460> transparency<00:23:24.059> so<00:23:24.419> that<00:23:24.600> you

of creating uh transparency so that you

of creating uh transparency so that you look<00:23:24.960> through<00:23:25.320> structures<00:23:25.919> or

look through structures or

look through structures or um<00:23:27.539> you<00:23:27.900> the<00:23:28.260> the<00:23:28.380> the<00:23:28.500> the<00:23:28.620> law<00:23:29.159> can<00:23:29.400> be

um you the the the the law can be

um you the the the the law can be designed<00:23:30.179> to<00:23:30.600> to<00:23:31.080> tax<00:23:31.380> wealth<00:23:31.880> again<00:23:32.880> it's<00:23:33.120> all

designed to to tax wealth again it's all

designed to to tax wealth again it's all about<00:23:33.480> design<00:23:33.840> and<00:23:34.320> it's<00:23:34.559> about<00:23:34.740> political

about design and it's about political

about design and it's about political will<00:23:35.400> I<00:23:36.120> think<00:23:36.240> one<00:23:36.419> thing<00:23:36.600> that<00:23:36.720> was

will I think one thing that was

will I think one thing that was Illuminating<00:23:37.320> for<00:23:37.500> me<00:23:37.620> is<00:23:37.799> we<00:23:38.039> have<00:23:38.220> this<00:23:38.460> kind

Illuminating for me is we have this kind

Illuminating for me is we have this kind of<00:23:38.820> debate<00:23:39.419> going<00:23:39.659> around<00:23:39.780> or<00:23:40.140> you<00:23:40.260> can't<00:23:40.380> tax

of debate going around or you can't tax

of debate going around or you can't tax the<00:23:40.799> rich<00:23:40.980> they'll<00:23:41.340> leave<00:23:41.460> they'll<00:23:41.700> leave<00:23:41.880> you

the rich they'll leave they'll leave you

the rich they'll leave they'll leave you contacts<00:23:42.360> to<00:23:42.480> reach

contacts to reach

contacts to reach suddenly<00:23:44.400> we<00:23:44.580> decided<00:23:44.880> we<00:23:45.000> want<00:23:45.120> to<00:23:45.179> tax<00:23:45.299> Roman

suddenly we decided we want to tax Roman

suddenly we decided we want to tax Roman Abramovich<00:23:46.140> one<00:23:46.620> of<00:23:46.740> the<00:23:46.799> richest<00:23:47.039> men<00:23:47.100> in<00:23:47.279> the

Abramovich one of the richest men in the

Abramovich one of the richest men in the world<00:23:47.520> okay<00:23:47.820> Annie<00:23:48.779> you<00:23:49.020> know

world okay Annie you know

world okay Annie you know he<00:23:50.340> [ __ ]<00:23:50.640> off<00:23:50.700> to<00:23:50.820> wherever<00:23:51.120> he<00:23:51.179> went<00:23:51.299> right

he [ __ ] off to wherever he went right

he [ __ ] off to wherever he went right but<00:23:52.140> Chelsea<00:23:52.559> Football<00:23:52.679> Club<00:23:52.919> is<00:23:53.039> still<00:23:53.220> in

but Chelsea Football Club is still in

but Chelsea Football Club is still in Chelsea<00:23:53.820> and<00:23:54.659> don't<00:23:55.140> disappear<00:23:55.620> can't<00:23:56.039> take