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Telling MPs to Tax the Rich on the BBC

March 20, 2022
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okay thank you very much

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okay thank you very much how<00:00:02.080> well<00:00:02.240> we<00:00:02.399> refer<00:00:02.720> to<00:00:02.800> it<00:00:02.960> attacks<00:00:03.280> the<00:00:03.360> rich

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how well we refer to it attacks the rich

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how well we refer to it attacks the rich is<00:00:03.760> a<00:00:03.840> slogan<00:00:04.160> that's<00:00:04.319> occasionally<00:00:04.720> heard

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is a slogan that's occasionally heard

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is a slogan that's occasionally heard from<00:00:05.120> politicians<00:00:05.680> but<00:00:05.839> it's<00:00:05.920> not<00:00:06.080> an<00:00:06.160> idea

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from politicians but it's not an idea

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from politicians but it's not an idea that<00:00:06.560> normally<00:00:06.960> finds<00:00:07.200> much<00:00:07.440> favor<00:00:07.839> with<00:00:08.080> big

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that normally finds much favor with big

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that normally finds much favor with big earners<00:00:09.040> former<00:00:09.360> city<00:00:09.679> trader<00:00:10.000> gary

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earners former city trader gary

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earners former city trader gary stevenson<00:00:10.800> though<00:00:11.040> is<00:00:11.120> one<00:00:11.280> of<00:00:11.360> a<00:00:11.440> group<00:00:11.679> of

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stevenson though is one of a group of

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stevenson though is one of a group of millionaires<00:00:12.559> campaigning<00:00:13.120> for<00:00:13.280> just<00:00:13.599> that

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millionaires campaigning for just that

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millionaires campaigning for just that he's<00:00:14.320> calling<00:00:14.559> for<00:00:14.639> a<00:00:14.719> wealth<00:00:15.040> tax<00:00:15.440> and<00:00:15.519> it's<00:00:15.679> a

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he's calling for a wealth tax and it's a

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he's calling for a wealth tax and it's a message<00:00:16.000> he<00:00:16.240> took<00:00:16.480> to<00:00:16.640> a<00:00:16.720> food<00:00:16.960> bank<00:00:17.520> in

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message he took to a food bank in

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message he took to a food bank in chancellor<00:00:18.000> richie<00:00:18.320> sunax<00:00:18.720> richmond

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chancellor richie sunax richmond

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chancellor richie sunax richmond constituency<00:00:20.000> in<00:00:20.080> north<00:00:20.320> yorkshire<00:00:20.720> last

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constituency in north yorkshire last

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constituency in north yorkshire last week<00:00:21.439> he<00:00:21.600> is<00:00:21.680> his<00:00:22.000> personal<00:00:22.480> view<00:00:22.880> on<00:00:23.039> what

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week he is his personal view on what

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week he is his personal view on what ministers<00:00:23.600> should<00:00:23.760> be<00:00:23.920> doing<00:00:24.640> i<00:00:24.800> come<00:00:24.960> from

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ministers should be doing i come from

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ministers should be doing i come from ilford<00:00:25.519> east<00:00:25.760> london<00:00:26.240> um

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ilford east london um

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ilford east london um from<00:00:27.199> to<00:00:27.359> be<00:00:27.519> honest<00:00:27.840> a<00:00:28.160> pretty<00:00:28.640> poor<00:00:28.880> family

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from to be honest a pretty poor family

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from to be honest a pretty poor family yeah<00:00:29.519> we<00:00:29.599> had<00:00:29.760> a<00:00:30.080> small<00:00:30.400> little

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yeah we had a small little

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yeah we had a small little terrace<00:00:31.760> house<00:00:32.000> next<00:00:32.160> to<00:00:32.320> the<00:00:32.399> railway<00:00:32.719> i

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terrace house next to the railway i

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terrace house next to the railway i shared<00:00:33.040> the<00:00:33.120> bunk<00:00:33.280> bed<00:00:33.520> with<00:00:33.600> my<00:00:33.760> brother<00:00:34.239> um

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shared the bunk bed with my brother um

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shared the bunk bed with my brother um yeah<00:00:34.960> we<00:00:35.120> were<00:00:35.360> pretty<00:00:35.680> poor<00:00:35.920> growing<00:00:36.239> up<00:00:36.399> um<00:00:36.719> i

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yeah we were pretty poor growing up um i

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yeah we were pretty poor growing up um i know<00:00:36.960> what<00:00:37.120> it's<00:00:37.200> like<00:00:37.360> to<00:00:37.440> be<00:00:37.600> poor

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know what it's like to be poor

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know what it's like to be poor i<00:00:38.480> was<00:00:38.640> always<00:00:38.879> good<00:00:39.040> at<00:00:39.120> maths<00:00:39.360> and<00:00:39.440> economics

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i was always good at maths and economics

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i was always good at maths and economics so<00:00:40.480> studied<00:00:40.879> hard<00:00:41.360> worked<00:00:41.680> hard

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so studied hard worked hard

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so studied hard worked hard kids<00:00:42.719> studied<00:00:42.960> hard<00:00:43.200> in<00:00:43.280> school<00:00:43.600> i<00:00:43.760> was<00:00:44.000> able

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kids studied hard in school i was able

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kids studied hard in school i was able to<00:00:44.239> get<00:00:44.399> a<00:00:44.480> good<00:00:44.640> job<00:00:45.120> as<00:00:45.280> a<00:00:45.360> trader<00:00:45.680> in<00:00:45.760> the

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to get a good job as a trader in the

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to get a good job as a trader in the city<00:00:46.239> scarborough<00:00:46.719> going<00:00:47.120> in<00:00:47.200> here<00:00:47.360> yeah<00:00:47.600> it's

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city scarborough going in here yeah it's

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city scarborough going in here yeah it's been<00:00:47.840> a<00:00:47.920> few<00:00:48.079> years<00:00:48.320> i<00:00:48.399> was<00:00:48.559> city<00:00:48.800> bank's<00:00:49.200> most

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been a few years i was city bank's most

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been a few years i was city bank's most profitable<00:00:49.840> trader<00:00:50.079> in<00:00:50.160> the<00:00:50.239> world<00:00:50.559> basically

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profitable trader in the world basically

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profitable trader in the world basically um

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um but<00:00:52.640> i<00:00:52.800> did<00:00:52.960> that<00:00:53.120> by<00:00:53.360> basically<00:00:53.760> betting<00:00:54.000> that

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but i did that by basically betting that

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but i did that by basically betting that the<00:00:54.559> global<00:00:54.879> economy<00:00:55.280> would<00:00:55.440> be<00:00:55.680> very<00:00:55.920> weak

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the global economy would be very weak

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the global economy would be very weak because<00:00:56.800> we<00:00:56.960> wouldn't<00:00:57.120> deal<00:00:57.280> with<00:00:57.440> inequality

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because we wouldn't deal with inequality

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because we wouldn't deal with inequality so

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so yeah<00:00:59.120> i<00:00:59.199> mean<00:00:59.680> it's<00:00:59.840> kind<00:01:00.000> of<00:01:00.160> a<00:01:00.239> crazy<00:01:00.480> story<00:01:00.719> i

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yeah i mean it's kind of a crazy story i

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yeah i mean it's kind of a crazy story i went<00:01:00.960> from<00:01:01.120> being<00:01:01.280> very<00:01:01.520> poor<00:01:01.760> to<00:01:02.000> being<00:01:02.160> very

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went from being very poor to being very

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went from being very poor to being very rich<00:01:03.039> by<00:01:03.280> betting<00:01:03.600> that<00:01:04.000> inequality<00:01:04.640> would

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rich by betting that inequality would

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rich by betting that inequality would grow<00:01:05.119> and<00:01:05.199> that<00:01:05.280> would<00:01:05.439> keep<00:01:05.600> the<00:01:05.680> economy

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grow and that would keep the economy

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grow and that would keep the economy weak<00:01:06.400> reason<00:01:06.720> why<00:01:07.040> if<00:01:07.200> the<00:01:07.280> wealth<00:01:07.600> is<00:01:07.760> being

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weak reason why if the wealth is being

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weak reason why if the wealth is being held<00:01:08.240> by<00:01:08.400> a<00:01:08.479> small<00:01:08.720> minority<00:01:09.360> rather<00:01:09.600> than<00:01:09.760> the

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held by a small minority rather than the

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held by a small minority rather than the big<00:01:10.000> group<00:01:10.320> that<00:01:10.479> is<00:01:10.640> bad<00:01:10.880> for<00:01:10.960> the<00:01:11.040> economy

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big group that is bad for the economy

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big group that is bad for the economy very<00:01:12.080> very<00:01:12.320> simply<00:01:12.799> is<00:01:12.960> because<00:01:13.520> rich<00:01:13.760> people

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very very simply is because rich people

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very very simply is because rich people save<00:01:14.479> the<00:01:14.560> vast<00:01:14.799> majority<00:01:15.040> of<00:01:15.119> their<00:01:15.280> income

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save the vast majority of their income

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save the vast majority of their income and<00:01:15.920> ordinary<00:01:16.240> people<00:01:16.479> spend<00:01:16.640> the<00:01:16.720> vast

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and ordinary people spend the vast

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and ordinary people spend the vast majority<00:01:17.200> of<00:01:17.280> their<00:01:17.360> income<00:01:17.759> the<00:01:17.920> idea<00:01:18.240> which

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majority of their income the idea which

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majority of their income the idea which is<00:01:18.640> most<00:01:18.880> likely<00:01:19.119> to<00:01:19.200> do<00:01:19.360> something<00:01:19.680> at<00:01:19.759> the

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is most likely to do something at the

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is most likely to do something at the moment<00:01:20.240> is<00:01:20.320> the<00:01:20.400> wealth<00:01:20.640> tax<00:01:21.040> because<00:01:21.200> this<00:01:21.360> is

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moment is the wealth tax because this is

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moment is the wealth tax because this is an<00:01:21.600> idea<00:01:21.920> instead<00:01:22.159> of<00:01:22.240> taxing<00:01:22.640> workers<00:01:23.200> you

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an idea instead of taxing workers you

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an idea instead of taxing workers you just<00:01:23.520> attack<00:01:23.840> super<00:01:24.080> wealthy<00:01:24.400> families<00:01:24.880> at

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just attack super wealthy families at

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just attack super wealthy families at the<00:01:25.040> moment<00:01:25.360> these<00:01:25.520> guys<00:01:25.840> often<00:01:26.159> pay<00:01:26.640> you<00:01:26.720> know

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the moment these guys often pay you know

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the moment these guys often pay you know less<00:01:27.360> than<00:01:27.439> 10

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less than 10

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less than 10 tax<00:01:28.640> on<00:01:28.720> their<00:01:28.880> income<00:01:29.600> and<00:01:30.000> nothing<00:01:30.320> on<00:01:30.400> their

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tax on their income and nothing on their

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tax on their income and nothing on their wealth<00:01:30.880> which<00:01:31.119> is<00:01:31.200> you<00:01:31.280> know<00:01:31.439> less<00:01:31.680> than<00:01:32.000> i

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wealth which is you know less than i

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wealth which is you know less than i paid<00:01:32.560> you<00:01:32.640> know<00:01:32.799> less<00:01:33.040> than<00:01:33.200> most<00:01:33.439> of<00:01:33.759> you

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paid you know less than most of you

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paid you know less than most of you probably<00:01:34.400> paid

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billionaires and millionaires who have

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billionaires and millionaires who have made<00:01:42.799> a<00:01:42.960> huge<00:01:43.200> amount<00:01:43.439> of<00:01:43.520> money<00:01:43.680> during<00:01:43.920> kobe

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made a huge amount of money during kobe

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made a huge amount of money during kobe well<00:01:44.880> actually<00:01:45.439> no<00:01:45.920> he<00:01:46.079> raises<00:01:46.399> national

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well actually no he raises national

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well actually no he raises national insurance<00:01:47.200> which<00:01:47.439> attacks<00:01:47.840> on<00:01:48.000> your<00:01:48.240> wage

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insurance which attacks on your wage

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insurance which attacks on your wage which<00:01:49.360> does<00:01:49.600> not<00:01:49.680> affect<00:01:49.920> the<00:01:50.000> income<00:01:50.240> of

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which does not affect the income of

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which does not affect the income of billionaires<00:01:51.040> so

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billionaires so

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billionaires so listen<00:01:52.240> richard<00:01:52.560> sunak<00:01:52.880> if<00:01:52.960> you're<00:01:53.119> watching

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listen richard sunak if you're watching

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listen richard sunak if you're watching you<00:01:53.920> know

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you know

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call me up i'm sure you're a great guy

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call me up i'm sure you're a great guy we<00:01:57.119> can<00:01:57.200> have<00:01:57.360> a<00:01:57.439> tea<00:01:57.840> you<00:01:57.920> know<00:01:58.159> i'm<00:01:58.320> up<00:01:58.479> in

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we can have a tea you know i'm up in

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we can have a tea you know i'm up in your<00:01:58.719> constituency

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your constituency

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but the way you're dealing with the

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but the way you're dealing with the crisis<00:02:01.920> is<00:02:02.000> not<00:02:02.159> right

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crisis is not right

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crisis is not right cary<00:02:03.520> stevenson's<00:02:04.000> message<00:02:04.240> to<00:02:04.399> rishi's<00:02:04.719> soon

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cary stevenson's message to rishi's soon

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cary stevenson's message to rishi's soon act<00:02:05.119> there<00:02:05.439> jamie<00:02:05.680> driscoll<00:02:06.320> is<00:02:06.479> this

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act there jamie driscoll is this

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act there jamie driscoll is this something<00:02:06.799> labour<00:02:07.200> should<00:02:07.360> be<00:02:07.520> adopting<00:02:07.920> can

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something labour should be adopting can

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something labour should be adopting can you<00:02:08.160> make<00:02:08.319> it<00:02:08.479> work<00:02:08.800> or<00:02:09.119> can<00:02:09.440> rich<00:02:09.679> people<00:02:10.000> hide

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you make it work or can rich people hide

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you make it work or can rich people hide their<00:02:10.399> wealth<00:02:11.200> well<00:02:11.360> that's<00:02:11.599> the<00:02:11.680> whole<00:02:12.000> point

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their wealth well that's the whole point

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their wealth well that's the whole point of<00:02:12.319> a<00:02:12.400> wealth<00:02:12.720> tax<00:02:13.120> is<00:02:13.280> it<00:02:13.440> is<00:02:13.520> actually<00:02:13.920> very

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of a wealth tax is it is actually very

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of a wealth tax is it is actually very hard<00:02:14.560> to<00:02:14.720> hide<00:02:15.040> your<00:02:15.120> wealth<00:02:15.840> because<00:02:16.239> when

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hard to hide your wealth because when

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hard to hide your wealth because when we've<00:02:16.959> got<00:02:17.120> a<00:02:17.200> strange<00:02:17.520> situation<00:02:18.239> where

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we've got a strange situation where

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we've got a strange situation where people<00:02:18.640> are<00:02:18.800> working<00:02:19.040> for<00:02:19.120> a<00:02:19.200> living<00:02:19.440> doing

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people are working for a living doing

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people are working for a living doing something<00:02:19.920> productive<00:02:20.959> end<00:02:21.200> up<00:02:21.280> paying<00:02:21.520> very

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something productive end up paying very

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something productive end up paying very high<00:02:22.000> rates<00:02:22.239> of<00:02:22.400> tax<00:02:22.720> by<00:02:22.879> the<00:02:22.959> time<00:02:23.120> you<00:02:23.200> are<00:02:23.360> in

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high rates of tax by the time you are in

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high rates of tax by the time you are in national<00:02:23.680> insurance<00:02:24.640> and<00:02:24.879> yet<00:02:25.200> if<00:02:25.280> you<00:02:25.840> are

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national insurance and yet if you are

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national insurance and yet if you are managing<00:02:26.319> to<00:02:26.400> squirrel<00:02:26.800> away<00:02:27.120> your<00:02:27.280> money

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managing to squirrel away your money

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managing to squirrel away your money somewhere<00:02:28.239> and<00:02:28.480> and<00:02:28.800> through<00:02:28.959> various<00:02:29.280> tax

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somewhere and and through various tax

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somewhere and and through various tax avoidance<00:02:30.080> schemes<00:02:30.640> you're<00:02:30.800> not<00:02:30.959> paying<00:02:31.280> tax

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avoidance schemes you're not paying tax

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avoidance schemes you're not paying tax and<00:02:31.920> you're<00:02:32.000> getting<00:02:32.239> huge<00:02:32.560> windfalls

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and you're getting huge windfalls

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and you're getting huge windfalls sometimes<00:02:33.599> from<00:02:33.840> just<00:02:34.000> stock<00:02:34.319> prices<00:02:34.640> rising

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sometimes from just stock prices rising

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sometimes from just stock prices rising and<00:02:35.040> things<00:02:35.200> like<00:02:35.360> that<00:02:35.519> so<00:02:35.599> should<00:02:35.920> should

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and things like that so should should

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and things like that so should should the<00:02:36.160> labor<00:02:36.480> be<00:02:36.560> prepared<00:02:36.879> for<00:02:36.959> adoption<00:02:37.519> yeah

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the labor be prepared for adoption yeah

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the labor be prepared for adoption yeah would<00:02:37.680> you<00:02:37.760> like<00:02:37.920> to<00:02:37.920> talk<00:02:38.080> about<00:02:38.080> yourself

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would you like to talk about yourself

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would you like to talk about yourself i'd<00:02:38.560> love<00:02:38.720> to<00:02:38.800> see<00:02:39.440> one<00:02:39.599> percent<00:02:39.920> one<00:02:40.080> percent

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i'd love to see one percent one percent

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i'd love to see one percent one percent there's<00:02:40.879> a<00:02:40.959> number<00:02:41.120> of<00:02:41.200> mechanisms<00:02:41.760> proposed

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there's a number of mechanisms proposed

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there's a number of mechanisms proposed but<00:02:42.319> it's<00:02:42.400> as<00:02:42.480> simple<00:02:42.800> as

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but it's as simple as

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but it's as simple as 3.4<00:02:44.319> million<00:02:44.879> every<00:02:45.280> pound<00:02:45.599> you've<00:02:45.760> got<00:02:45.920> above

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3.4 million every pound you've got above

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3.4 million every pound you've got above that<00:02:46.480> you<00:02:46.640> pay<00:02:46.959> a<00:02:47.120> penny

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that you pay a penny

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that you pay a penny uh<00:02:48.319> it<00:02:48.319> means<00:02:48.560> if<00:02:48.640> you've<00:02:48.720> got<00:02:48.879> four<00:02:49.040> million

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uh it means if you've got four million

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uh it means if you've got four million quids<00:02:49.680> worth<00:02:50.000> you<00:02:50.160> know<00:02:50.400> your<00:02:50.640> house<00:02:50.959> the<00:02:51.440> spur

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quids worth you know your house the spur

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quids worth you know your house the spur picasso<00:02:52.160> and<00:02:52.239> the<00:02:52.319> downstairs<00:02:52.959> loot<00:02:53.680> then<00:02:53.920> um

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picasso and the downstairs loot then um

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picasso and the downstairs loot then um you're<00:02:54.480> paying<00:02:54.720> six<00:02:54.959> thousand<00:02:55.200> pound<00:02:55.360> a<00:02:55.440> year

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you're paying six thousand pound a year

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you're paying six thousand pound a year i<00:02:55.680> rang<00:02:55.840> if<00:02:55.920> you've<00:02:56.000> got<00:02:56.160> four<00:02:56.319> million<00:02:56.640> quids

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i rang if you've got four million quids

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i rang if you've got four million quids worth<00:02:57.040> of<00:02:57.200> assets<00:02:57.519> you<00:02:57.599> can<00:02:57.680> afford<00:02:58.000> six<00:02:58.239> grand

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worth of assets you can afford six grand

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worth of assets you can afford six grand a<00:02:58.560> year<00:02:59.120> uh<00:02:59.280> dana<00:02:59.519> davison<00:02:59.840> we<00:03:00.000> talked<00:03:00.080> about

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a year uh dana davison we talked about

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a year uh dana davison we talked about how<00:03:00.400> to<00:03:00.560> raise<00:03:00.720> money<00:03:00.959> is<00:03:01.120> this<00:03:01.200> the<00:03:01.280> perfect

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how to raise money is this the perfect

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how to raise money is this the perfect way<00:03:02.239> um<00:03:02.959> i'd<00:03:03.040> be<00:03:03.200> dubious<00:03:03.599> without<00:03:03.840> seeing

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way um i'd be dubious without seeing

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way um i'd be dubious without seeing more<00:03:04.239> detail<00:03:04.640> and<00:03:04.720> i<00:03:04.800> think<00:03:04.879> the<00:03:05.040> problem<00:03:05.280> is

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more detail and i think the problem is

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more detail and i think the problem is often<00:03:05.680> when<00:03:05.840> world<00:03:06.000> taxes<00:03:06.319> are<00:03:06.400> talked<00:03:06.640> about

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often when world taxes are talked about

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often when world taxes are talked about they're<00:03:06.959> talked<00:03:07.200> about<00:03:07.360> in<00:03:07.440> quite<00:03:07.599> roundabout

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they're talked about in quite roundabout

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ways without getting into the

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ways without getting into the nitty-gritty<00:03:09.920> and<00:03:10.159> i<00:03:10.319> know<00:03:10.400> the<00:03:10.480> wealth<00:03:10.720> tax

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nitty-gritty and i know the wealth tax

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nitty-gritty and i know the wealth tax commission<00:03:11.280> did<00:03:11.440> a<00:03:11.519> report<00:03:11.760> in<00:03:11.840> this<00:03:12.000> in

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commission did a report in this in

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commission did a report in this in december<00:03:12.480> 2020<00:03:12.959> and<00:03:13.040> they<00:03:13.200> said<00:03:13.360> one<00:03:13.440> of<00:03:13.519> the

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december 2020 and they said one of the

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december 2020 and they said one of the most<00:03:13.760> difficult<00:03:14.159> things<00:03:14.879> is<00:03:15.120> whether<00:03:15.360> it'd<00:03:15.519> be

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most difficult things is whether it'd be

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most difficult things is whether it'd be an<00:03:15.760> annual<00:03:16.319> on<00:03:16.480> an<00:03:16.640> annual<00:03:16.879> basis<00:03:17.360> or<00:03:17.519> a

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an annual on an annual basis or a

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an annual on an annual basis or a one-off<00:03:18.319> one-off<00:03:18.720> much<00:03:18.959> easier<00:03:19.360> but<00:03:19.599> still

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one-off one-off much easier but still

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one-off one-off much easier but still the<00:03:20.159> kind<00:03:20.319> of<00:03:20.800> the<00:03:20.959> difficulties<00:03:21.599> in<00:03:21.760> actually

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the kind of the difficulties in actually

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working out people's wealth and getting

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working out people's wealth and getting an<00:03:24.000> agreement<00:03:24.319> between<00:03:24.560> the<00:03:24.640> tax<00:03:24.879> man<00:03:25.120> and<00:03:25.200> the

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an agreement between the tax man and the

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an agreement between the tax man and the individual<00:03:26.080> can<00:03:26.239> be<00:03:26.400> really<00:03:26.640> tough<00:03:26.879> we<00:03:26.959> saw<00:03:27.120> it

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individual can be really tough we saw it

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individual can be really tough we saw it with<00:03:27.280> michael<00:03:27.599> jackson's<00:03:28.000> estate<00:03:28.319> it<00:03:28.400> took

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with michael jackson's estate it took

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with michael jackson's estate it took eight<00:03:28.799> years<00:03:29.120> to<00:03:29.200> figure<00:03:29.519> out<00:03:29.599> what<00:03:30.159> it<00:03:30.239> was

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eight years to figure out what it was

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one off idea of having a wealth tax was

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one off idea of having a wealth tax was it<00:03:34.879> was<00:03:34.959> the<00:03:35.040> equivalent<00:03:35.360> of<00:03:35.440> putting<00:03:35.760> 9p<00:03:36.319> on

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it was the equivalent of putting 9p on

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the basic rate of income tax so the

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the basic rate of income tax so the difference<00:03:38.720> that<00:03:38.879> would<00:03:39.040> make

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difference that would make

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it could do but as i say we need to see

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it could do but as i say we need to see more<00:03:41.680> proposals<00:03:42.080> but<00:03:42.239> my<00:03:42.480> view<00:03:42.720> is<00:03:42.879> we<00:03:43.040> keep

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more proposals but my view is we keep

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more proposals but my view is we keep taxes<00:03:43.599> down<00:03:43.840> keep<00:03:44.080> taxes<00:03:44.480> down<00:03:44.799> you<00:03:44.879> know

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you're worried about i wish it was if

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you're worried about i wish it was if there's<00:03:48.879> any<00:03:49.040> donors<00:03:49.360> watching<00:03:49.680> send<00:03:49.840> me<00:03:49.920> a

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there's any donors watching send me a

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there's any donors watching send me a bit<00:03:50.159> of<00:03:50.239> cash

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bit of cash

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all right okay we'll look at that

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all right okay we'll look at that uh<00:03:53.439> well<00:03:53.599> gary<00:03:53.920> stevenson<00:03:54.560> mentioned<00:03:54.959> the

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uh well gary stevenson mentioned the

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uh well gary stevenson mentioned the decision<00:03:55.360> to<00:03:55.519> remove<00:03:55.920> the<00:03:56.000> increase<00:03:56.400> in

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decision to remove the increase in

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universal credit and that's one of the

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universal credit and that's one of the problems<00:03:58.239> which<00:03:58.400> charities<00:03:59.120> have<00:03:59.280> identified

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problems which charities have identified

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as hitting some of the poorest in the

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