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a political panel for thursday uh

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delighted to welcome for the first time

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uh gary stevenson former city trader

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turned inequality economic i can't even

turned inequality economic i can't even say<00:00:09.920> economist<00:00:10.639> gary<00:00:10.880> hello

say economist gary hello

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hi jeremy that's poacher turn gamekeeper

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isn't it that is let's be honest

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uh well they're more similar than you

uh well they're more similar than you think<00:00:18.800> in<00:00:18.880> a<00:00:18.960> way

think in a way

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it's a compliment and also better

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expense conservative commentator how are

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you sir i'm well thank you is that a new

you sir i'm well thank you is that a new moustache

moustache

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it is it has been growing it over the

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month of november because as many other

month of november because as many other young<00:00:31.119> men<00:00:31.359> do<00:00:31.679> well<00:00:31.920> i've<00:00:32.079> tried<00:00:32.320> but

young men do well i've tried but

young men do well i've tried but obviously<00:00:32.800> i<00:00:32.880> haven't<00:00:33.120> succeeded<00:00:33.600> but<00:00:33.680> it's<00:00:33.840> a

obviously i haven't succeeded but it's a

obviously i haven't succeeded but it's a very<00:00:34.079> good<00:00:34.239> thing<00:00:34.480> november<00:00:35.040> uh<00:00:35.360> fair<00:00:35.600> play<00:00:35.840> to

very good thing november uh fair play to

very good thing november uh fair play to you<00:00:36.239> we'll<00:00:36.480> start<00:00:36.640> with<00:00:36.719> a<00:00:36.800> big<00:00:36.960> news<00:00:37.120> story<00:00:37.360> of

you we'll start with a big news story of

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the day hs2 i think uh we tried very

the day hs2 i think uh we tried very clearly<00:00:41.440> on<00:00:41.600> this<00:00:41.840> show<00:00:42.160> to<00:00:42.800> make<00:00:43.040> the<00:00:43.200> point

clearly on this show to make the point

clearly on this show to make the point that<00:00:43.920> hs2<00:00:44.480> has<00:00:44.640> not<00:00:44.800> been<00:00:45.039> scrapped<00:00:45.440> yes<00:00:45.600> it's

that hs2 has not been scrapped yes it's

that hs2 has not been scrapped yes it's been<00:00:46.000> modified<00:00:46.640> the<00:00:46.719> government<00:00:47.200> are<00:00:47.440> still

been modified the government are still

been modified the government are still spending<00:00:48.239> 96

spending 96

spending 96 billion<00:00:50.480> pounds

billion pounds

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uh interestingly we had john stephenson

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the mp for carlila torre mp but not part

the mp for carlila torre mp but not part of<00:00:55.680> the<00:00:55.840> redwall<00:00:56.239> new<00:00:56.480> intake<00:00:56.960> a<00:00:57.120> man<00:00:57.280> who

of the redwall new intake a man who

of the redwall new intake a man who represented<00:00:58.239> gary<00:00:58.640> and<00:00:58.960> benedict<00:00:59.520> carlyle

represented gary and benedict carlyle

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for 11 years and he said

for 11 years and he said i<00:01:02.480> i'm<00:01:02.879> i'm<00:01:03.039> not<00:01:03.199> disappointed<00:01:03.840> we're

i i'm i'm not disappointed we're

i i'm i'm not disappointed we're spending<00:01:04.400> money<00:01:04.720> in<00:01:04.879> the<00:01:04.960> north<00:01:05.280> we<00:01:05.439> never<00:01:05.680> did

spending money in the north we never did

spending money in the north we never did we're<00:01:06.080> talking<00:01:06.320> about<00:01:06.479> the<00:01:06.560> north<00:01:06.880> like<00:01:07.040> we

we're talking about the north like we

we're talking about the north like we never<00:01:07.439> did<00:01:08.000> uh<00:01:08.400> possibly<00:01:08.960> it's<00:01:09.119> boris

never did uh possibly it's boris

never did uh possibly it's boris spouting<00:01:10.080> off<00:01:10.320> without<00:01:11.119> you<00:01:11.200> know<00:01:11.520> being<00:01:11.760> able

spouting off without you know being able

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to see it through but it's still a

to see it through but it's still a massive<00:01:14.159> massive<00:01:14.640> investment<00:01:15.040> let's<00:01:15.200> start

massive massive investment let's start

massive massive investment let's start with<00:01:15.520> you<00:01:15.600> bet<00:01:15.759> at<00:01:15.920> expense<00:01:16.400> what<00:01:16.560> do<00:01:16.640> you<00:01:16.720> make

with you bet at expense what do you make

with you bet at expense what do you make of<00:01:17.040> today<00:01:17.280> has<00:01:17.439> he<00:01:17.600> betrayed<00:01:18.000> the<00:01:18.080> north<00:01:18.400> or

of today has he betrayed the north or

of today has he betrayed the north or not

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oh i just think

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yes it is a massive investment in the

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north but it is still ultimately an

north but it is still ultimately an investment<00:01:24.320> that<00:01:24.479> serves<00:01:24.880> london<00:01:25.360> that's<00:01:25.600> the

investment that serves london that's the

investment that serves london that's the way<00:01:25.840> you<00:01:26.000> need<00:01:26.080> to<00:01:26.240> look<00:01:26.320> at<00:01:26.479> hs2<00:01:27.439> you<00:01:27.520> know<00:01:27.680> you

way you need to look at hs2 you know you

way you need to look at hs2 you know you it<00:01:28.080> takes<00:01:28.400> about<00:01:28.720> the<00:01:28.799> same<00:01:29.040> amount<00:01:29.280> of<00:01:29.439> time

it takes about the same amount of time

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to get from london to manchester as it

to get from london to manchester as it does<00:01:31.680> to<00:01:31.840> get<00:01:31.920> from<00:01:32.079> liverpool<00:01:32.479> to<00:01:32.640> bradford

does to get from liverpool to bradford

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you know these are not small cities in

you know these are not small cities in the<00:01:35.119> north<00:01:35.280> of<00:01:35.439> england<00:01:35.680> and<00:01:35.840> it's<00:01:35.920> about<00:01:36.159> half

the north of england and it's about half

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the distance between liverpool and

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bradford or huddersfield and warrington

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and places like that these are not small

and places like that these are not small places<00:01:41.600> they're<00:01:41.840> large<00:01:42.320> they<00:01:42.479> have

places they're large they have

places they're large they have potentially<00:01:43.200> very<00:01:43.439> large<00:01:43.680> industrial<00:01:44.159> bases

potentially very large industrial bases

potentially very large industrial bases lots<00:01:44.720> of<00:01:45.119> dead<00:01:45.360> housing<00:01:45.759> stock<00:01:46.000> there<00:01:46.159> that

lots of dead housing stock there that

lots of dead housing stock there that can<00:01:46.399> be<00:01:46.560> used<00:01:46.880> there<00:01:47.040> is<00:01:47.119> an<00:01:47.280> awful<00:01:47.520> lot<00:01:47.680> of

can be used there is an awful lot of

can be used there is an awful lot of potential<00:01:48.079> there<00:01:48.320> and<00:01:48.399> actually<00:01:48.640> what<00:01:48.799> they

potential there and actually what they

potential there and actually what they need<00:01:49.680> is<00:01:50.000> interconnectivity<00:01:51.040> they<00:01:51.200> don't

need is interconnectivity they don't

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need greater connectivity with london

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yeah ultimately i think that that is the

yeah ultimately i think that that is the point<00:01:55.680> that<00:01:55.840> a<00:01:55.920> lot<00:01:56.079> of<00:01:56.159> people<00:01:56.320> in<00:01:56.399> the<00:01:56.479> north

point that a lot of people in the north

point that a lot of people in the north are<00:01:57.040> saying<00:01:57.280> the<00:01:57.439> government<00:01:57.840> is<00:01:57.920> missing<00:01:58.240> so

are saying the government is missing so

are saying the government is missing so yes<00:01:58.640> there<00:01:58.799> is<00:01:58.960> investment<00:01:59.439> coming<00:02:00.000> to

yes there is investment coming to

yes there is investment coming to manchester<00:02:01.119> uh<00:02:01.360> birmingham<00:02:01.759> isn't<00:02:01.920> in<00:02:02.000> the

manchester uh birmingham isn't in the

manchester uh birmingham isn't in the north<00:02:02.240> but<00:02:02.399> you<00:02:02.479> know<00:02:02.560> it<00:02:02.719> is<00:02:02.799> getting<00:02:03.040> to

north but you know it is getting to

north but you know it is getting to manchester<00:02:03.520> and<00:02:03.680> there<00:02:03.759> will<00:02:04.000> be

manchester and there will be

manchester and there will be improvements<00:02:04.880> to<00:02:05.040> the<00:02:05.119> leeds<00:02:05.360> line<00:02:05.840> but<00:02:06.000> it's

improvements to the leeds line but it's

improvements to the leeds line but it's not<00:02:06.479> actually<00:02:06.799> what<00:02:06.960> the<00:02:07.119> north<00:02:07.600> wants<00:02:08.080> or

not actually what the north wants or

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needs what they need is better

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connectivity to get them from point a to

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b in the north and i think ultimately

b in the north and i think ultimately that's<00:02:13.440> the<00:02:13.520> thing<00:02:13.760> that<00:02:13.840> they<00:02:14.000> keep<00:02:14.239> on

that's the thing that they keep on

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saying nobody's listening to us over i

saying nobody's listening to us over i think<00:02:16.560> that's<00:02:16.800> a<00:02:16.959> fascinating<00:02:17.680> response

think that's a fascinating response

think that's a fascinating response benedict<00:02:18.560> i<00:02:18.640> mean<00:02:18.800> that<00:02:19.040> gary<00:02:19.280> what's<00:02:19.440> your

benedict i mean that gary what's your

benedict i mean that gary what's your take<00:02:19.760> on<00:02:19.840> this<00:02:20.080> pal

take on this pal

take on this pal well<00:02:21.680> i<00:02:21.760> mean<00:02:21.920> it's<00:02:22.080> fair<00:02:22.239> to<00:02:22.319> say<00:02:22.480> that<00:02:22.640> i

well i mean it's fair to say that i

well i mean it's fair to say that i think<00:02:22.800> there'd<00:02:22.879> be<00:02:23.040> some<00:02:23.200> people<00:02:23.440> in<00:02:23.599> bradford

think there'd be some people in bradford

think there'd be some people in bradford who<00:02:24.080> might<00:02:24.400> disagree<00:02:25.120> about<00:02:25.280> whether<00:02:25.520> we're

who might disagree about whether we're

who might disagree about whether we're leveling<00:02:26.080> up<00:02:26.239> by<00:02:26.800> removing<00:02:27.200> this<00:02:27.360> railing

leveling up by removing this railing

leveling up by removing this railing that<00:02:27.840> was

that was

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expected and that was promised and that

expected and that was promised and that people<00:02:30.400> in<00:02:30.480> many<00:02:30.720> northern<00:02:31.040> cities<00:02:31.680> were

people in many northern cities were

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hoping to see and you know i think this

hoping to see and you know i think this um

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i think this adds to a move we've been

i think this adds to a move we've been seeing<00:02:37.440> where<00:02:37.599> the<00:02:37.680> government<00:02:38.000> promises

seeing where the government promises

seeing where the government promises leveling<00:02:38.800> up<00:02:39.040> but<00:02:39.200> when<00:02:39.360> when<00:02:39.519> we<00:02:39.680> actually

leveling up but when when we actually

leveling up but when when we actually look<00:02:40.000> at<00:02:40.080> the<00:02:40.160> details<00:02:40.720> do<00:02:40.879> we<00:02:40.959> actually<00:02:41.200> get

look at the details do we actually get

look at the details do we actually get leveling<00:02:41.680> up<00:02:41.840> i<00:02:41.920> mean<00:02:42.480> in<00:02:42.560> the<00:02:42.720> clovis<00:02:43.120> crisis

leveling up i mean in the clovis crisis

leveling up i mean in the clovis crisis billionaire<00:02:44.560> wealth<00:02:44.879> up<00:02:45.040> 22<00:02:45.840> the<00:02:46.000> average

billionaire wealth up 22 the average

billionaire wealth up 22 the average billionaire<00:02:46.800> wealth<00:02:47.120> increased<00:02:47.440> by<00:02:47.680> 600

billionaire wealth increased by 600

billionaire wealth increased by 600 million<00:02:48.959> pounds<00:02:49.360> during<00:02:49.599> kobe

million pounds during kobe

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ordinary people 2.5 percent extra tax on

ordinary people 2.5 percent extra tax on your<00:02:53.360> national<00:02:53.680> insurance<00:02:54.640> and<00:02:54.879> now<00:02:55.120> when<00:02:55.280> it

your national insurance and now when it

your national insurance and now when it comes<00:02:55.519> to<00:02:55.599> living<00:02:55.840> up<00:02:55.920> north<00:02:56.239> and<00:02:56.319> south

comes to living up north and south

comes to living up north and south does<00:02:57.760> the<00:02:57.840> north<00:02:58.080> get<00:02:58.159> the<00:02:58.239> railway<00:02:58.560> link<00:02:58.800> that

does the north get the railway link that

does the north get the railway link that it<00:02:59.040> was<00:02:59.200> expected

it was expected

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no but it does still get 96 billion

no but it does still get 96 billion quicker<00:03:03.040> so<00:03:03.200> we<00:03:03.360> have<00:03:03.440> to<00:03:03.599> answer<00:03:04.000> that<00:03:04.239> i<00:03:04.480> i'm

quicker so we have to answer that i i'm

quicker so we have to answer that i i'm with<00:03:04.879> you<00:03:05.040> the<00:03:05.280> initial<00:03:05.680> response<00:03:06.159> is<00:03:06.319> oh<00:03:06.400> my

with you the initial response is oh my

with you the initial response is oh my god<00:03:07.280> political<00:03:08.159> hot<00:03:08.400> potato<00:03:09.040> he's<00:03:09.200> done<00:03:09.360> it

god political hot potato he's done it

god political hot potato he's done it again

again

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he will describe it

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that he's investing 96 billion pounds in

that he's investing 96 billion pounds in trying<00:03:15.599> to<00:03:15.680> do<00:03:15.840> it<00:03:15.920> in<00:03:16.000> a<00:03:16.080> clever<00:03:16.480> way

trying to do it in a clever way

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benedict's saying actually it's

benedict's saying actually it's interconnectivity<00:03:18.640> and<00:03:18.720> i<00:03:18.879> think<00:03:19.040> having

interconnectivity and i think having

interconnectivity and i think having lived<00:03:19.519> in<00:03:19.760> in<00:03:19.920> the<00:03:20.000> north<00:03:20.239> for<00:03:20.400> 15<00:03:20.720> years<00:03:20.879> i

lived in in the north for 15 years i

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think he's absolutely right spot on this

think he's absolutely right spot on this obsession<00:03:23.360> with<00:03:23.519> getting<00:03:23.760> to<00:03:23.920> london<00:03:24.239> is<00:03:24.319> not

obsession with getting to london is not

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a massive thing you want to get across

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the penins you want to be able to get

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you know east and west that's an

you know east and west that's an absolute<00:03:30.560> fact<00:03:30.959> right<00:03:31.440> i<00:03:31.519> actually

absolute fact right i actually

absolute fact right i actually of<00:03:32.560> all<00:03:32.720> the<00:03:32.799> stuff<00:03:33.040> i've<00:03:33.120> heard<00:03:33.280> today

of all the stuff i've heard today

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benedict absolutely spot on but the fact

benedict absolutely spot on but the fact is<00:03:36.239> gary<00:03:36.720> i<00:03:36.879> want<00:03:37.120> i<00:03:37.440> i<00:03:38.000> think<00:03:38.239> you<00:03:38.319> know

is gary i want i i think you know

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the boris haters will jump up and say

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he's done it again i just

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maybe maybe their argument should be

maybe maybe their argument should be look<00:03:45.519> politics<00:03:46.080> changes<00:03:46.640> government<00:03:47.120> changes

look politics changes government changes

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you you make a promise in a manifesto

you you make a promise in a manifesto and<00:03:49.920> things<00:03:50.239> change<00:03:50.799> i<00:03:50.879> think<00:03:51.040> the<00:03:51.200> message<00:03:51.519> is

and things change i think the message is

and things change i think the message is yes

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some people could assume that he's let

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them down but i do think they're still

them down but i do think they're still investing<00:03:56.560> that<00:03:56.720> money<00:03:56.959> don't<00:03:57.120> you

investing that money don't you

investing that money don't you maybe<00:03:58.239> not<00:03:58.400> correctly

maybe not correctly

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96 billion pounds is great you know and

96 billion pounds is great you know and it's<00:04:01.200> better<00:04:01.439> than<00:04:01.599> it<00:04:01.680> spent<00:04:02.000> than<00:04:02.080> not<00:04:02.239> spent

it's better than it spent than not spent

it's better than it spent than not spent especially<00:04:03.280> after<00:04:03.599> this<00:04:03.760> crisis<00:04:04.480> we're

especially after this crisis we're

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looking at a long slow recovery if you

looking at a long slow recovery if you look<00:04:06.319> at<00:04:06.400> financial<00:04:06.799> markets<00:04:07.519> we<00:04:07.680> need<00:04:07.840> money

look at financial markets we need money

look at financial markets we need money spent<00:04:08.319> to<00:04:08.400> boost<00:04:08.560> the<00:04:08.720> economy<00:04:09.040> 96<00:04:09.360> billion

spent to boost the economy 96 billion

spent to boost the economy 96 billion pounds<00:04:10.000> is<00:04:10.159> great<00:04:10.400> it<00:04:10.480> should<00:04:10.640> be<00:04:10.799> spent<00:04:11.120> it

pounds is great it should be spent it

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should be spent wisely it should be

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spent intelligently but the top 250

spent intelligently but the top 250 individuals<00:04:16.079> most<00:04:16.320> rich<00:04:16.639> individuals<00:04:17.040> in

individuals most rich individuals in

individuals most rich individuals in this<00:04:17.280> country<00:04:17.919> made<00:04:18.359> 106<00:04:19.359> billion<00:04:19.600> pounds

this country made 106 billion pounds

this country made 106 billion pounds last<00:04:20.079> year<00:04:20.560> 250<00:04:21.519> individuals<00:04:22.400> okay<00:04:22.639> so<00:04:22.720> that's

last year 250 individuals okay so that's

last year 250 individuals okay so that's more<00:04:23.120> money<00:04:23.840> for<00:04:24.000> the<00:04:24.080> richest<00:04:24.400> 250

more money for the richest 250

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individuals in the country during a time

individuals in the country during a time of<00:04:27.360> enormous<00:04:27.840> economic<00:04:28.240> crisis<00:04:28.960> then<00:04:29.199> for<00:04:29.360> the

of enormous economic crisis then for the

of enormous economic crisis then for the entire<00:04:30.320> northern<00:04:30.800> railway<00:04:31.120> investment<00:04:31.600> is

entire northern railway investment is

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that why you stopped me is that why you

that why you stopped me is that why you stopped<00:04:33.680> being<00:04:33.840> a<00:04:33.919> city<00:04:34.240> trader

stopped being a city trader

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oh i didn't make 106 billion pounds i

oh i didn't make 106 billion pounds i wish<00:04:37.759> i<00:04:37.840> did<00:04:38.479> you'd<00:04:38.720> still<00:04:38.880> be<00:04:39.120> doing<00:04:39.440> it

wish i did you'd still be doing it

wish i did you'd still be doing it wouldn't<00:04:39.759> you<00:04:39.919> you'd<00:04:40.160> still<00:04:40.400> be<00:04:40.560> doing<00:04:40.840> it

wouldn't you you'd still be doing it

wouldn't you you'd still be doing it fair<00:04:41.199> play

fair play

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i made enough money do you both believe

i made enough money do you both believe separately<00:04:45.600> or<00:04:46.080> whatever<00:04:46.880> um<00:04:47.520> we've<00:04:47.759> talked<00:04:48.080> a

separately or whatever um we've talked a

separately or whatever um we've talked a lot<00:04:48.400> about<00:04:48.639> boris<00:04:48.960> johnson<00:04:49.280> and<00:04:49.360> this<00:04:49.520> sort<00:04:49.680> of

lot about boris johnson and this sort of

lot about boris johnson and this sort of teflon<00:04:50.400> existence<00:04:50.880> whereby<00:04:51.280> he<00:04:51.440> seems<00:04:51.680> to<00:04:51.840> be

teflon existence whereby he seems to be

teflon existence whereby he seems to be able<00:04:52.160> to<00:04:52.320> bounce<00:04:52.720> back

able to bounce back

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sometimes there are moments in a prime

sometimes there are moments in a prime minister's<00:04:56.800> career<00:04:57.360> um

minister's career um

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the tory 1922 back bench committee is is

the tory 1922 back bench committee is is is<00:05:02.960> rather<00:05:03.440> hard-faced<00:05:04.240> and<00:05:04.400> and<00:05:04.639> difficult

is rather hard-faced and and difficult

is rather hard-faced and and difficult he<00:05:05.680> admitted<00:05:06.160> yesterday<00:05:06.560> boris<00:05:06.800> johnson<00:05:07.120> he

he admitted yesterday boris johnson he

he admitted yesterday boris johnson he felt<00:05:07.520> he<00:05:07.600> crashed<00:05:08.000> the<00:05:08.160> car<00:05:08.720> there<00:05:09.039> are<00:05:09.199> people

felt he crashed the car there are people

felt he crashed the car there are people saying<00:05:09.840> that<00:05:10.000> this<00:05:10.240> is<00:05:10.320> the<00:05:10.479> beginning<00:05:10.880> of<00:05:10.960> the

saying that this is the beginning of the

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end what's your take on that gas

end what's your take on that gas well<00:05:14.400> i<00:05:14.479> mean<00:05:14.639> obviously<00:05:15.039> i've<00:05:15.120> been<00:05:15.280> looking

well i mean obviously i've been looking

well i mean obviously i've been looking at<00:05:15.600> this<00:05:15.840> um

at this um

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this talk about corruption uh it's

this talk about corruption uh it's it's<00:05:20.560> obviously<00:05:20.880> upsetting<00:05:21.440> when<00:05:21.600> you<00:05:21.759> look

it's obviously upsetting when you look

it's obviously upsetting when you look what<00:05:22.080> happened<00:05:22.240> during<00:05:22.479> the<00:05:22.560> copied<00:05:22.880> crisis

what happened during the copied crisis

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the amount of money made by super

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wealthy people that in itself is causing

wealthy people that in itself is causing a<00:05:27.120> huge<00:05:27.280> concern<00:05:27.600> my<00:05:27.759> main<00:05:28.000> concern<00:05:28.479> here<00:05:29.120> is

a huge concern my main concern here is

a huge concern my main concern here is we<00:05:29.840> have<00:05:30.000> a<00:05:30.080> chancellor<00:05:30.560> who<00:05:30.720> is<00:05:30.880> worth<00:05:31.120> an

we have a chancellor who is worth an

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approximated 200 million pounds

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much more than that

much more than that three<00:05:35.520> billion

three billion

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his father-in-law is a billionaire yeah

his father-in-law is a billionaire yeah and<00:05:38.720> we<00:05:38.960> have<00:05:39.120> billionaires<00:05:39.600> that<00:05:39.759> made<00:05:39.919> an

and we have billionaires that made an

and we have billionaires that made an enormous<00:05:40.400> amount<00:05:40.560> management<00:05:41.039> crisis<00:05:41.600> and

enormous amount management crisis and

enormous amount management crisis and when<00:05:41.919> government<00:05:42.320> money<00:05:42.560> is<00:05:42.720> needed

when government money is needed

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do they tax the billionaires who made an

do they tax the billionaires who made an enormous<00:05:45.759> amount<00:05:46.080> of<00:05:46.320> crisis

enormous amount of crisis

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no they raised taxes two and a half

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percent on ordinary workers my concern

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really here is that

really here is that so<00:05:52.880> many<00:05:53.039> in<00:05:53.120> the<00:05:53.199> government<00:05:53.600> come<00:05:53.759> from<00:05:54.000> very

so many in the government come from very

so many in the government come from very wealthy<00:05:54.479> backgrounds<00:05:55.360> that<00:05:55.520> they<00:05:55.680> are<00:05:55.759> not

wealthy backgrounds that they are not

wealthy backgrounds that they are not looking<00:05:56.240> to<00:05:56.400> tax

looking to tax

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the super rich and the super rich are

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getting richer and richer and richer

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while ordinary people having their taxes

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raised if that's what happens it's going

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to be just like 2008 we're going to have

to be just like 2008 we're going to have a<00:06:05.600> super<00:06:05.919> strong<00:06:06.240> recovery<00:06:06.880> for<00:06:07.039> the<00:06:07.199> super

a super strong recovery for the super

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rich and a super weak recovery for the

rich and a super weak recovery for the ordinary<00:06:10.240> working<00:06:10.560> people<00:06:10.800> of<00:06:10.880> this<00:06:11.039> country

ordinary working people of this country

ordinary working people of this country benedict<00:06:11.919> what's<00:06:12.160> your<00:06:12.240> take

benedict what's your take

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i mean it's a very interesting point to

i mean it's a very interesting point to raise<00:06:15.199> because<00:06:15.440> actually<00:06:16.080> increasing<00:06:16.639> taxes

raise because actually increasing taxes

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on ordinary sort of middle and lower

on ordinary sort of middle and lower class<00:06:19.120> middle<00:06:19.520> middle<00:06:19.759> and<00:06:19.840> lower<00:06:20.080> income

class middle middle and lower income

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workers you know that is now the tory

workers you know that is now the tory base<00:06:22.400> that<00:06:22.479> is<00:06:22.560> what<00:06:22.720> the<00:06:22.800> tourists<00:06:23.120> are<00:06:23.280> sort

base that is what the tourists are sort

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of meaning to appeal to so actually it's

of meaning to appeal to so actually it's not<00:06:25.919> it's<00:06:26.080> kind<00:06:26.240> of<00:06:26.319> an<00:06:26.400> important<00:06:26.800> point

not it's kind of an important point

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especially when you do have a lot of

especially when you do have a lot of tour<00:06:28.479> mps<00:06:28.880> in<00:06:29.199> increasingly<00:06:29.680> marginal<00:06:30.080> seat

tour mps in increasingly marginal seat

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sources that were only just one from the

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labour party those are seats that could

labour party those are seats that could be<00:06:34.160> up<00:06:34.639> at<00:06:34.800> the<00:06:34.960> next<00:06:35.199> general<00:06:35.520> election<00:06:36.000> the

be up at the next general election the

be up at the next general election the thing<00:06:36.400> for<00:06:36.560> me<00:06:36.800> is<00:06:37.440> boris<00:06:37.759> johnson<00:06:38.160> will<00:06:38.479> have

thing for me is boris johnson will have

thing for me is boris johnson will have been<00:06:39.039> very<00:06:39.280> confident<00:06:39.919> throughout<00:06:40.240> this

been very confident throughout this

been very confident throughout this parliament<00:06:40.800> because<00:06:40.960> ultimately<00:06:41.360> his<00:06:41.600> his

parliament because ultimately his his

parliament because ultimately his his opponent<00:06:42.240> is<00:06:42.319> kierstarma<00:06:43.120> that's<00:06:43.280> the<00:06:43.440> person

opponent is kierstarma that's the person

opponent is kierstarma that's the person that<00:06:43.759> he<00:06:43.840> has<00:06:44.000> to<00:06:44.080> beat<00:06:44.319> on<00:06:44.400> paper

that he has to beat on paper

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he can do that regardless of there being

he can do that regardless of there being a<00:06:47.360> sleaze<00:06:47.680> candle<00:06:47.919> i<00:06:48.000> think<00:06:48.080> there's<00:06:48.240> been

a sleaze candle i think there's been

a sleaze candle i think there's been polling<00:06:48.639> out<00:06:48.720> that<00:06:48.880> says<00:06:49.120> even<00:06:49.280> if<00:06:49.360> there<00:06:49.440> were

polling out that says even if there were

polling out that says even if there were to<00:06:49.759> be<00:06:49.840> a<00:06:49.919> general<00:06:50.240> election<00:06:50.560> tomorrow<00:06:51.039> he

to be a general election tomorrow he

to be a general election tomorrow he would<00:06:51.440> still<00:06:51.680> get<00:06:51.840> a<00:06:51.919> majority<00:06:52.479> ultimately

would still get a majority ultimately

would still get a majority ultimately because<00:06:53.039> people<00:06:53.199> just<00:06:53.360> don't<00:06:53.599> trust<00:06:54.000> the

because people just don't trust the

because people just don't trust the labour<00:06:54.400> party<00:06:54.720> enough<00:06:55.039> well<00:06:55.199> they<00:06:55.280> don't<00:06:55.360> know

labour party enough well they don't know

labour party enough well they don't know what<00:06:55.599> they<00:06:55.759> stand<00:06:56.080> for<00:06:56.319> because<00:06:56.479> he's<00:06:56.639> never

what they stand for because he's never

what they stand for because he's never there<00:06:57.039> because<00:06:57.199> he's<00:06:57.440> always<00:06:57.680> got<00:06:57.840> covered

there because he's always got covered

there because he's always got covered exactly<00:06:58.960> what<00:06:59.199> this<00:06:59.360> is<00:06:59.440> the<00:06:59.520> thing

exactly what this is the thing

exactly what this is the thing the<00:07:00.639> fear<00:07:00.880> is<00:07:01.039> that<00:07:01.360> tipping<00:07:01.680> point

the fear is that tipping point

the fear is that tipping point not<00:07:02.800> so<00:07:02.960> much<00:07:03.199> about<00:07:03.440> kierstarma<00:07:04.080> it's<00:07:04.160> about

not so much about kierstarma it's about

not so much about kierstarma it's about his<00:07:04.479> own<00:07:04.639> backbench<00:07:05.120> mp<00:07:05.520> will<00:07:05.680> enough<00:07:06.000> of<00:07:06.080> them

his own backbench mp will enough of them

his own backbench mp will enough of them be<00:07:06.400> concerned<00:07:06.960> enough<00:07:07.520> about<00:07:07.919> their<00:07:08.160> own

be concerned enough about their own

be concerned enough about their own seats<00:07:08.880> because<00:07:09.120> they're<00:07:09.280> going<00:07:09.360> to<00:07:09.520> lose

seats because they're going to lose

seats because they're going to lose those<00:07:10.000> votes<00:07:10.319> because<00:07:10.560> taxes<00:07:10.960> are<00:07:11.039> going<00:07:11.280> up

those votes because taxes are going up

those votes because taxes are going up on<00:07:11.759> their<00:07:11.919> voters<00:07:12.479> for<00:07:12.639> them<00:07:12.800> to<00:07:12.960> say<00:07:13.199> actually

on their voters for them to say actually

on their voters for them to say actually boris<00:07:14.400> johnson<00:07:14.720> might<00:07:14.880> win<00:07:15.039> the<00:07:15.120> next<00:07:15.360> general

boris johnson might win the next general

boris johnson might win the next general election<00:07:15.919> but<00:07:16.080> i<00:07:16.240> might<00:07:16.400> not<00:07:16.560> be<00:07:16.720> an<00:07:16.800> mp<00:07:17.120> and

election but i might not be an mp and

election but i might not be an mp and therefore<00:07:17.520> it's<00:07:17.680> worth<00:07:17.919> rising<00:07:18.240> up<00:07:18.400> that's

therefore it's worth rising up that's

therefore it's worth rising up that's the<00:07:18.720> key<00:07:18.880> point<00:07:19.280> i<00:07:19.360> don't<00:07:19.599> think<00:07:19.759> we're<00:07:20.000> there

the key point i don't think we're there

the key point i don't think we're there yet<00:07:20.639> because<00:07:20.880> i<00:07:20.960> don't<00:07:21.120> think<00:07:21.280> that<00:07:21.440> there<00:07:21.680> is

yet because i don't think that there is

yet because i don't think that there is a<00:07:22.400> candidate<00:07:23.039> yet<00:07:23.360> who<00:07:23.520> has<00:07:23.680> stuck<00:07:23.840> their<00:07:24.000> head

a candidate yet who has stuck their head

a candidate yet who has stuck their head above<00:07:24.400> the<00:07:24.479> parapet<00:07:25.039> enough<00:07:25.759> uh<00:07:26.000> to<00:07:26.160> say<00:07:26.400> yes<00:07:27.039> i

above the parapet enough uh to say yes i

above the parapet enough uh to say yes i tell<00:07:27.280> you

tell you

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everybody says that rishi sunak will be

everybody says that rishi sunak will be the<00:07:30.240> next<00:07:30.560> leader<00:07:30.880> i<00:07:31.120> actually<00:07:31.360> don't<00:07:31.599> think

the next leader i actually don't think

the next leader i actually don't think he<00:07:32.000> will<00:07:32.479> i<00:07:32.639> think<00:07:32.880> that<00:07:33.039> rishi<00:07:33.520> sunak<00:07:34.240> will<00:07:34.479> be

he will i think that rishi sunak will be

he will i think that rishi sunak will be guilty<00:07:35.280> by<00:07:35.520> association<00:07:36.400> and<00:07:36.479> the<00:07:36.880> and

guilty by association and the and

guilty by association and the and and<00:07:37.919> political<00:07:38.560> history<00:07:39.039> certainly<00:07:39.360> on<00:07:39.520> the

and political history certainly on the

and political history certainly on the tory<00:07:39.919> side<00:07:40.319> is<00:07:40.560> littered<00:07:41.440> with<00:07:41.599> the<00:07:41.759> person

tory side is littered with the person

tory side is littered with the person that<00:07:42.400> they<00:07:42.639> think<00:07:42.960> is<00:07:43.120> going<00:07:43.199> to<00:07:43.280> get<00:07:43.440> it

that they think is going to get it

that they think is going to get it michael<00:07:44.000> hesseltein

michael hesseltein

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i don't know look loads of them and

i don't know look loads of them and cameron<00:07:48.240> came<00:07:48.479> from<00:07:48.639> nowhere<00:07:49.039> and<00:07:49.199> john<00:07:49.440> major

cameron came from nowhere and john major

cameron came from nowhere and john major came<00:07:50.160> from<00:07:50.319> nowhere<00:07:50.879> and<00:07:51.039> whether<00:07:51.360> it's<00:07:51.599> liz

came from nowhere and whether it's liz

came from nowhere and whether it's liz truss<00:07:52.240> or<00:07:52.479> somebody<00:07:52.960> down<00:07:53.199> the<00:07:53.360> pecking<00:07:53.759> order

truss or somebody down the pecking order

truss or somebody down the pecking order that's<00:07:54.240> what<00:07:54.479> i<00:07:54.879> genuinely<00:07:55.520> believe<00:07:55.840> will

that's what i genuinely believe will

that's what i genuinely believe will happen<00:07:56.319> but<00:07:56.479> i<00:07:56.639> also<00:07:56.960> yeah<00:07:57.199> i<00:07:57.360> have<00:07:57.520> to<00:07:57.599> say

happen but i also yeah i have to say

happen but i also yeah i have to say benedict<00:07:58.240> i'm<00:07:58.319> with<00:07:58.479> you<00:07:59.120> i<00:07:59.360> think<00:07:59.520> the<00:07:59.759> danger

benedict i'm with you i think the danger

benedict i'm with you i think the danger to<00:08:00.400> boris<00:08:00.800> johnson<00:08:01.280> is<00:08:01.440> himself<00:08:02.400> i<00:08:02.560> think<00:08:02.800> that

to boris johnson is himself i think that

to boris johnson is himself i think that if<00:08:03.120> he<00:08:03.440> believes<00:08:04.319> forevermore<00:08:05.520> that<00:08:06.000> he<00:08:06.240> can

if he believes forevermore that he can

if he believes forevermore that he can get<00:08:06.720> through<00:08:07.039> these<00:08:07.360> things<00:08:07.759> he'll<00:08:08.000> get

get through these things he'll get

get through these things he'll get bitten<00:08:08.560> on<00:08:08.639> the<00:08:08.720> backside<00:08:09.280> i<00:08:09.360> think<00:08:09.520> he<00:08:09.759> has<00:08:09.840> to

bitten on the backside i think he has to

bitten on the backside i think he has to be<00:08:10.160> wiser<00:08:10.560> and<00:08:10.639> smarter<00:08:11.360> final<00:08:11.599> thing<00:08:11.840> guys

be wiser and smarter final thing guys

be wiser and smarter final thing guys today<00:08:12.400> and<00:08:12.560> this<00:08:12.720> is<00:08:12.800> something<00:08:13.120> i<00:08:13.280> talked

today and this is something i talked

today and this is something i talked about<00:08:13.759> just<00:08:13.919> now<00:08:14.560> uh<00:08:14.879> with<00:08:15.199> with<00:08:15.360> bill

about just now uh with with bill

about just now uh with with bill etheridge<00:08:16.000> an<00:08:16.160> ex-mep<00:08:17.199> um<00:08:17.680> government<00:08:18.080> plans

etheridge an ex-mep um government plans

etheridge an ex-mep um government plans to<00:08:19.199> um<00:08:19.759> say<00:08:20.000> to<00:08:20.160> the<00:08:20.240> migrants<00:08:20.720> who<00:08:20.879> arrive

to um say to the migrants who arrive

to um say to the migrants who arrive here<00:08:21.360> in<00:08:21.440> their<00:08:21.599> dingus<00:08:22.479> uh<00:08:22.720> we're<00:08:22.879> gonna<00:08:23.039> send

here in their dingus uh we're gonna send

here in their dingus uh we're gonna send you<00:08:23.360> to<00:08:23.440> albania<00:08:24.000> within<00:08:24.240> seven<00:08:24.560> days<00:08:24.960> uh

you to albania within seven days uh

you to albania within seven days uh you're<00:08:25.280> gonna<00:08:25.520> stay<00:08:25.680> there<00:08:26.000> in<00:08:26.160> basically<00:08:26.639> uh

you're gonna stay there in basically uh

you're gonna stay there in basically uh an<00:08:27.280> albanian<00:08:28.080> sort<00:08:28.240> of<00:08:28.560> um

an albanian sort of um

an albanian sort of um i<00:08:29.520> don't<00:08:29.680> know<00:08:30.000> holding<00:08:30.560> pen<00:08:31.120> it's<00:08:31.280> gonna<00:08:31.520> cost

i don't know holding pen it's gonna cost

i don't know holding pen it's gonna cost the<00:08:31.840> british<00:08:32.159> taxpayer<00:08:32.800> one<00:08:33.039> hundred

the british taxpayer one hundred

the british taxpayer one hundred thousand<00:08:33.919> pounds<00:08:34.320> a<00:08:34.399> year<00:08:34.640> per<00:08:34.880> person<00:08:35.760> uh

thousand pounds a year per person uh

thousand pounds a year per person uh bill<00:08:36.240> esther<00:08:36.560> jimmy<00:08:36.959> p<00:08:37.200> said<00:08:37.760> i<00:08:37.919> thought<00:08:38.159> we

bill esther jimmy p said i thought we

bill esther jimmy p said i thought we left<00:08:38.640> the<00:08:38.719> european<00:08:39.200> union<00:08:39.440> to<00:08:39.519> take<00:08:39.760> control

left the european union to take control

left the european union to take control of<00:08:40.320> our<00:08:40.399> borders<00:08:40.719> why<00:08:40.880> don't<00:08:40.959> we<00:08:41.120> just<00:08:41.279> get

of our borders why don't we just get

of our borders why don't we just get boats<00:08:41.839> and<00:08:41.919> send<00:08:42.159> these<00:08:42.399> people<00:08:42.719> back<00:08:43.039> gary

boats and send these people back gary

boats and send these people back gary stevenson<00:08:43.760> what's<00:08:44.000> your<00:08:44.159> take<00:08:44.399> you<00:08:44.560> talk

stevenson what's your take you talk

stevenson what's your take you talk about<00:08:45.279> wanting<00:08:45.680> the<00:08:45.839> people<00:08:46.160> of<00:08:46.240> this<00:08:46.480> country

about wanting the people of this country

about wanting the people of this country to<00:08:47.200> be<00:08:47.360> leveled<00:08:47.839> up<00:08:48.480> should<00:08:48.720> we<00:08:48.880> be

to be leveled up should we be

to be leveled up should we be taking<00:08:50.080> more<00:08:50.320> people<00:08:50.720> in<00:08:50.800> that<00:08:50.959> we<00:08:51.120> can<00:08:51.279> when

taking more people in that we can when

taking more people in that we can when we<00:08:51.519> can't<00:08:51.760> afford<00:08:52.080> our<00:08:52.240> own<00:08:52.399> people<00:08:52.640> or<00:08:52.800> do<00:08:52.959> you

we can't afford our own people or do you

we can't afford our own people or do you think<00:08:53.200> that<00:08:53.360> we<00:08:53.519> should<00:08:53.920> show<00:08:54.480> a<00:08:54.720> strong<00:08:55.040> arm

think that we should show a strong arm

think that we should show a strong arm of<00:08:55.440> the<00:08:55.600> law<00:08:56.000> and<00:08:56.160> look<00:08:56.399> after<00:08:56.800> our<00:08:56.959> own<00:08:57.279> first

of the law and look after our own first

of the law and look after our own first and<00:08:57.760> foremost

and foremost

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of course we need to look after our own

of course we need to look after our own but<00:09:00.480> when<00:09:00.640> i<00:09:00.720> saw<00:09:00.880> we<00:09:00.959> were<00:09:01.040> going<00:09:01.120> to<00:09:01.200> talk

but when i saw we were going to talk

but when i saw we were going to talk about<00:09:01.600> this<00:09:02.240> i<00:09:02.320> had<00:09:02.480> to<00:09:02.560> look<00:09:02.800> and<00:09:02.959> research

about this i had to look and research

about this i had to look and research what's<00:09:03.680> going<00:09:03.760> to<00:09:03.839> happen<00:09:04.160> so<00:09:04.320> they're

what's going to happen so they're

what's going to happen so they're talking<00:09:04.720> about<00:09:05.040> and

talking about and

talking about and processing<00:09:06.160> center<00:09:06.399> in<00:09:06.480> albania<00:09:07.040> there's

processing center in albania there's

processing center in albania there's basically<00:09:07.600> only<00:09:07.760> one<00:09:07.920> country<00:09:08.160> that<00:09:08.320> has<00:09:08.399> done

basically only one country that has done

basically only one country that has done this<00:09:08.800> before<00:09:09.040> which<00:09:09.279> is<00:09:09.360> australia<00:09:10.000> and<00:09:10.080> look

this before which is australia and look

this before which is australia and look what<00:09:10.399> happened<00:09:10.720> they<00:09:10.880> went<00:09:11.120> from<00:09:11.360> 20<00:09:11.839> 000

what happened they went from 20 000

what happened they went from 20 000 immigrants<00:09:12.720> in<00:09:12.880> one<00:09:13.040> year<00:09:13.279> to<00:09:13.440> 160.<00:09:14.399> i'm<00:09:14.560> not

immigrants in one year to 160. i'm not

immigrants in one year to 160. i'm not sticking<00:09:15.120> up<00:09:15.200> for<00:09:15.360> it<00:09:15.680> i'm<00:09:15.839> giving<00:09:16.160> you<00:09:16.320> the

sticking up for it i'm giving you the

sticking up for it i'm giving you the facts<00:09:16.959> people<00:09:17.279> will<00:09:17.519> point<00:09:17.760> to<00:09:17.920> that<00:09:18.160> and<00:09:18.240> go

facts people will point to that and go

facts people will point to that and go it<00:09:18.959> worked

it worked

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well if you look what happened the u.n

well if you look what happened the u.n said<00:09:22.480> that<00:09:22.640> it<00:09:22.720> broke<00:09:22.880> the<00:09:23.040> torture

said that it broke the torture

said that it broke the torture convention<00:09:23.920> yeah<00:09:24.399> statistics<00:09:25.040> suggest<00:09:25.440> that

convention yeah statistics suggest that

convention yeah statistics suggest that it<00:09:25.680> didn't<00:09:26.000> significantly<00:09:26.800> reduce

it didn't significantly reduce

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immigration there were 22 people died in

immigration there were 22 people died in that<00:09:30.399> center

that center

that center 300<00:09:32.720> people<00:09:33.519> committed<00:09:34.160> 300<00:09:34.640> children<00:09:35.279> is

300 people committed 300 children is

300 people committed 300 children is approximately<00:09:35.839> committed<00:09:36.160> self-harm<00:09:36.800> the

approximately committed self-harm the

approximately committed self-harm the international<00:09:37.440> criminal<00:09:37.760> court<00:09:37.920> declared<00:09:38.160> it

international criminal court declared it

international criminal court declared it illegal<00:09:38.880> and<00:09:38.959> said<00:09:39.120> that<00:09:39.360> physical<00:09:39.839> physical

illegal and said that physical physical

illegal and said that physical physical and<00:09:40.399> sexual<00:09:40.720> violence<00:09:41.279> from<00:09:41.440> the<00:09:41.600> guards<00:09:42.000> was

and sexual violence from the guards was

and sexual violence from the guards was rife<00:09:42.560> okay<00:09:42.800> look<00:09:43.120> i'm<00:09:43.360> a<00:09:43.440> british<00:09:43.760> person<00:09:44.399> i

rife okay look i'm a british person i

rife okay look i'm a british person i don't<00:09:44.720> want<00:09:44.880> to<00:09:44.959> camps<00:09:45.279> up<00:09:45.360> in<00:09:45.519> albania<00:09:46.240> where

don't want to camps up in albania where

don't want to camps up in albania where we<00:09:46.560> pay<00:09:46.800> and<00:09:46.880> by<00:09:47.040> the<00:09:47.120> way<00:09:47.200> that<00:09:47.519> came<00:09:47.760> in

we pay and by the way that came in

we pay and by the way that came in massively<00:09:48.240> over<00:09:48.399> budget<00:09:48.800> three<00:09:49.040> million

massively over budget three million

massively over budget three million pound<00:09:49.519> per<00:09:49.680> person<00:09:50.000> it<00:09:50.080> cost<00:09:50.640> to<00:09:50.800> have

pound per person it cost to have

pound per person it cost to have physical<00:09:51.360> and<00:09:51.519> sexual<00:09:51.839> violence

physical and sexual violence

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under the australian flag is that what

under the australian flag is that what you<00:09:54.640> want<00:09:54.800> under<00:09:54.959> the<00:09:55.040> british<00:09:55.279> flag<00:09:55.440> in

you want under the british flag in

you want under the british flag in albania<00:09:56.240> really<00:09:56.560> because<00:09:56.880> personally<00:09:57.360> look

albania really because personally look

albania really because personally look i<00:09:58.560> believe<00:09:58.880> in<00:09:58.959> this<00:09:59.040> country<00:09:59.360> i<00:09:59.440> think<00:09:59.519> we're

i believe in this country i think we're

i believe in this country i think we're better<00:09:59.920> than<00:10:00.000> that

better than that

better than that that's<00:10:01.040> a<00:10:01.200> really<00:10:01.519> interesting<00:10:01.920> point

that's a really interesting point

that's a really interesting point bennett<00:10:02.560> another<00:10:02.800> great<00:10:03.120> take<00:10:03.360> on<00:10:03.440> it<00:10:03.600> we

bennett another great take on it we

bennett another great take on it we hadn't<00:10:03.920> had<00:10:04.000> that<00:10:04.160> already<00:10:04.480> that's<00:10:04.720> a<00:10:04.800> great

hadn't had that already that's a great

hadn't had that already that's a great take<00:10:05.360> isn't<00:10:05.600> it<00:10:05.680> from<00:10:05.920> gary<00:10:06.399> to<00:10:06.560> be<00:10:06.720> fair<00:10:06.959> well

take isn't it from gary to be fair well

take isn't it from gary to be fair well absolutely<00:10:07.839> absolutely<00:10:08.320> and<00:10:08.480> the<00:10:08.560> other

absolutely absolutely and the other

absolutely absolutely and the other thing<00:10:08.959> i<00:10:09.040> think<00:10:09.279> is<00:10:09.440> that<00:10:09.600> we<00:10:09.760> have<00:10:09.920> to

thing i think is that we have to

thing i think is that we have to remember<00:10:10.320> the<00:10:10.720> australian<00:10:11.200> example<00:10:11.519> is

remember the australian example is

remember the australian example is interesting<00:10:12.000> because<00:10:12.240> australia<00:10:12.640> was<00:10:12.800> the

interesting because australia was the

interesting because australia was the only<00:10:13.279> country<00:10:13.680> really<00:10:13.920> that<00:10:14.160> those

only country really that those

only country really that those immigrants<00:10:14.720> were<00:10:14.880> aiming<00:10:15.200> to<00:10:15.279> go<00:10:15.519> for<00:10:16.160> whereas

immigrants were aiming to go for whereas

immigrants were aiming to go for whereas actually<00:10:16.880> in<00:10:17.040> europe<00:10:17.279> there<00:10:17.519> are<00:10:17.760> many

actually in europe there are many

actually in europe there are many alternatives<00:10:18.640> that<00:10:18.800> people<00:10:19.040> can<00:10:19.279> go<00:10:19.440> to<00:10:19.680> why

alternatives that people can go to why

alternatives that people can go to why do<00:10:20.000> they<00:10:20.240> oh<00:10:20.560> right<00:10:20.959> this<00:10:21.440> please<00:10:21.839> forgive<00:10:22.160> me

do they oh right this please forgive me

do they oh right this please forgive me i'm<00:10:22.399> not<00:10:22.560> trying<00:10:22.720> to<00:10:22.720> offend<00:10:22.959> anybody<00:10:23.839> bill

i'm not trying to offend anybody bill

i'm not trying to offend anybody bill etheridge<00:10:24.480> made<00:10:24.640> a<00:10:24.720> really<00:10:24.880> good<00:10:25.040> point<00:10:25.279> he

etheridge made a really good point he

etheridge made a really good point he said<00:10:25.760> i<00:10:25.920> have<00:10:26.160> sympathy<00:10:26.640> with<00:10:26.800> people<00:10:27.360> uh

said i have sympathy with people uh

said i have sympathy with people uh leaving<00:10:28.079> war-torn<00:10:28.640> countries<00:10:29.120> but<00:10:29.279> they're

leaving war-torn countries but they're

leaving war-torn countries but they're all<00:10:29.600> coming<00:10:29.839> from<00:10:30.079> france<00:10:30.480> why<00:10:30.640> don't<00:10:30.800> they

all coming from france why don't they

all coming from france why don't they stay<00:10:31.200> in<00:10:31.279> france<00:10:32.000> well<00:10:32.160> there<00:10:32.320> are<00:10:32.399> lots<00:10:32.640> of

stay in france well there are lots of

stay in france well there are lots of different<00:10:32.880> reasons<00:10:33.200> some<00:10:33.360> of<00:10:33.440> them<00:10:33.519> already

different reasons some of them already

different reasons some of them already have<00:10:34.079> family<00:10:34.320> here<00:10:34.480> some<00:10:34.640> of<00:10:34.720> them<00:10:34.880> speak

have family here some of them speak

have family here some of them speak english<00:10:35.440> rather<00:10:35.680> than<00:10:35.839> french<00:10:36.160> you<00:10:36.240> know

english rather than french you know

english rather than french you know there<00:10:36.399> are<00:10:36.480> lots<00:10:36.720> of<00:10:36.800> different<00:10:37.040> reasons<00:10:37.279> why

there are lots of different reasons why

there are lots of different reasons why but<00:10:37.680> actually<00:10:37.839> the<00:10:38.000> key<00:10:38.240> thing<00:10:38.480> here<00:10:38.720> is<00:10:38.880> not

but actually the key thing here is not

but actually the key thing here is not so<00:10:39.200> much<00:10:39.440> that<00:10:39.519> there<00:10:39.680> are<00:10:39.760> lots<00:10:40.000> i'm<00:10:40.079> trying

so much that there are lots i'm trying

so much that there are lots i'm trying to<00:10:40.320> come<00:10:40.480> to<00:10:40.560> the<00:10:40.640> uk<00:10:41.040> because<00:10:41.279> there<00:10:41.519> are<00:10:41.600> many

to come to the uk because there are many

to come to the uk because there are many tens<00:10:42.079> of<00:10:42.160> thousands<00:10:42.560> in<00:10:42.720> france<00:10:42.959> there<00:10:43.120> are

tens of thousands in france there are

tens of thousands in france there are hundreds<00:10:43.519> of<00:10:43.680> thousands<00:10:44.000> of<00:10:44.640> immigrants<00:10:45.040> in

hundreds of thousands of immigrants in

hundreds of thousands of immigrants in germany<00:10:45.839> in<00:10:46.240> the<00:10:46.399> nordic<00:10:46.800> countries<00:10:47.200> in<00:10:47.279> spain

germany in the nordic countries in spain

germany in the nordic countries in spain and<00:10:47.760> italy<00:10:48.079> and<00:10:48.480> my<00:10:48.720> thing<00:10:48.880> that<00:10:49.040> i<00:10:49.200> think<00:10:49.440> is

and italy and my thing that i think is

and italy and my thing that i think is why<00:10:49.920> this<00:10:50.160> is<00:10:50.240> very<00:10:50.480> unlikely<00:10:50.959> is<00:10:51.360> let's<00:10:51.600> say

why this is very unlikely is let's say

why this is very unlikely is let's say we<00:10:51.920> strike<00:10:52.399> an<00:10:52.560> agreement<00:10:52.880> with<00:10:53.040> albania<00:10:53.760> how

we strike an agreement with albania how

we strike an agreement with albania how long<00:10:54.240> is<00:10:54.399> it<00:10:54.480> before<00:10:54.800> germany<00:10:55.360> or<00:10:55.519> denmark<00:10:56.079> or

long is it before germany or denmark or

long is it before germany or denmark or italy<00:10:56.560> then<00:10:56.720> strike<00:10:57.040> their<00:10:57.279> own<00:10:57.360> deal<00:10:57.600> with

italy then strike their own deal with

italy then strike their own deal with somebody<00:10:58.079> else<00:10:58.480> and<00:10:58.640> another<00:10:58.880> country<00:10:59.200> with

somebody else and another country with

somebody else and another country with another<00:10:59.680> and<00:10:59.839> then<00:11:00.160> you<00:11:00.320> get<00:11:01.040> it<00:11:01.200> becomes<00:11:01.519> more

another and then you get it becomes more

another and then you get it becomes more of<00:11:01.839> a<00:11:01.920> phenomenon<00:11:02.320> because<00:11:02.560> there<00:11:02.720> are<00:11:02.800> far

of a phenomenon because there are far

of a phenomenon because there are far more<00:11:03.200> countries<00:11:03.519> that<00:11:03.680> can<00:11:03.839> do<00:11:04.000> it<00:11:04.079> here

more countries that can do it here

more countries that can do it here whereas<00:11:04.720> if<00:11:04.800> you're<00:11:04.959> just<00:11:05.200> australia<00:11:05.680> and<00:11:05.760> you

whereas if you're just australia and you

whereas if you're just australia and you have<00:11:06.000> papua<00:11:06.240> new<00:11:06.320> guinea<00:11:06.560> there's<00:11:06.720> just<00:11:06.959> one

have papua new guinea there's just one

have papua new guinea there's just one opportunity<00:11:07.600> for<00:11:07.760> you<00:11:07.920> to<00:11:08.000> do<00:11:08.160> that<00:11:08.399> and<00:11:08.480> it's

opportunity for you to do that and it's

opportunity for you to do that and it's a<00:11:08.720> one-off<00:11:09.040> thing<00:11:09.440> whereas<00:11:09.760> there<00:11:10.000> are<00:11:10.320> quite

a one-off thing whereas there are quite

a one-off thing whereas there are quite literally<00:11:10.959> very<00:11:11.279> many<00:11:11.519> countries<00:11:11.920> in<00:11:12.000> europe

literally very many countries in europe

literally very many countries in europe that<00:11:12.320> would<00:11:12.480> like<00:11:12.640> to<00:11:12.720> strike<00:11:12.880> these<00:11:13.040> sorts<00:11:13.279> of

that would like to strike these sorts of

that would like to strike these sorts of deals<00:11:14.160> and<00:11:14.320> then<00:11:14.480> you<00:11:14.640> will<00:11:14.720> ultimately<00:11:15.040> get<00:11:15.200> a

deals and then you will ultimately get a

deals and then you will ultimately get a situation<00:11:15.680> where<00:11:15.839> countries<00:11:16.240> like<00:11:16.399> albania

situation where countries like albania

situation where countries like albania can<00:11:17.440> begin<00:11:17.920> to<00:11:18.079> sort<00:11:18.240> of<00:11:18.399> as<00:11:18.640> it<00:11:18.720> were<00:11:18.959> take<00:11:19.200> the

can begin to sort of as it were take the

can begin to sort of as it were take the highest<00:11:19.600> bids<00:11:19.920> from<00:11:20.079> different<00:11:20.320> countries

highest bids from different countries

highest bids from different countries yeah<00:11:21.200> and<00:11:21.360> then<00:11:21.519> it<00:11:21.600> becomes<00:11:21.920> a<00:11:22.000> lot<00:11:22.160> more<00:11:22.399> you

yeah and then it becomes a lot more you

yeah and then it becomes a lot more you know<00:11:22.640> then<00:11:22.800> it<00:11:22.880> becomes<00:11:23.040> a<00:11:23.200> sort<00:11:23.279> of<00:11:23.360> a<00:11:23.440> rush<00:11:23.600> to

know then it becomes a sort of a rush to

know then it becomes a sort of a rush to the bottom<00:11:24.079> say<00:11:24.320> well<00:11:24.480> how<00:11:24.640> much<00:11:24.800> money<00:11:25.040> will

the bottom say well how much money will

the bottom say well how much money will you<00:11:25.440> offer<00:11:25.760> us<00:11:26.000> rather<00:11:26.240> than<00:11:26.320> these<00:11:26.560> people<00:11:26.880> to

you offer us rather than these people to

you offer us rather than these people to take<00:11:27.279> all<00:11:27.440> of<00:11:27.519> your<00:11:27.680> mindsets<00:11:28.079> it<00:11:28.160> becomes<00:11:28.560> an

take all of your mindsets it becomes an

take all of your mindsets it becomes an auction<00:11:29.120> of<00:11:29.279> humanity<00:11:30.079> absolutely<00:11:30.959> yeah<00:11:31.200> and

auction of humanity absolutely yeah and

auction of humanity absolutely yeah and it's<00:11:31.600> not<00:11:31.760> what<00:11:31.920> we<00:11:32.079> want<00:11:32.480> ultimately<00:11:32.959> guys<00:11:33.120> i

it's not what we want ultimately guys i

it's not what we want ultimately guys i have<00:11:33.360> to<00:11:33.440> say<00:11:33.680> genuinely<00:11:34.240> love<00:11:34.399> today

have to say genuinely love today

have to say genuinely love today fascinating<00:11:35.600> and<00:11:35.760> really<00:11:36.079> really<00:11:36.320> good<00:11:36.480> to

fascinating and really really good to

fascinating and really really good to have<00:11:36.720> you<00:11:36.880> both<00:11:37.120> on<00:11:37.279> bennett<00:11:37.600> expense<00:11:38.000> gary

have you both on bennett expense gary

have you both on bennett expense gary stevenson<00:11:38.800> thank<00:11:38.959> you<00:11:39.040> very<00:11:39.200> much<00:11:39.360> indeed

stevenson thank you very much indeed

stevenson thank you very much indeed that<00:11:40.160> was<00:11:40.399> thursday's<00:11:40.959> political<00:11:41.519> panel

that was thursday's political panel

that was thursday's political panel anything<00:11:42.399> you<00:11:42.480> want<00:11:42.640> to<00:11:42.720> talk<00:11:42.959> about<00:11:43.200> my

anything you want to talk about my

anything you want to talk about my friends<00:11:43.760> as<00:11:44.079> ever<00:11:44.720> your<00:11:45.040> show<00:11:45.279> oh<00:11:45.519> three

friends as ever your show oh three

friends as ever your show oh three double<00:11:46.079> four<00:11:46.320> portable<00:11:46.720> nine<00:11:46.880> one<00:11:47.040> thousand

double four portable nine one thousand

double four portable nine one thousand looking<00:11:47.600> out<00:11:47.680> the<00:11:47.760> window<00:11:48.320> people<00:11:48.640> stand

looking out the window people stand

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outside radio studios like this

outside radio studios like this and<00:11:52.800> you<00:11:52.959> wanna<00:11:53.120> go<00:11:53.600> trying<00:11:53.839> to<00:11:53.920> talk<00:11:54.480> uh<00:11:54.880> three

and you wanna go trying to talk uh three

and you wanna go trying to talk uh three double<00:11:55.360> four<00:11:55.600> photo<00:11:55.839> one<00:11:55.920> nine<00:11:56.079> one<00:11:56.240> thousand

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text two eight seven treble two this is

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