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Is the economy causing a mental health crisis?

August 17, 2025
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Okay, welcome back to Gary's Economics.

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Today's video is going to be about mental health.

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Okay, so when I decide to do these videos, I've

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got a really long Google Doc which has a list of all

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the subjects that I want to do a video about, and

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I've had one on that list about mental health and the

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relationship between mental health and the economy,

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and economy and mental health for a long, long time.

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And one of my friends is always

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telling me I need to make that video, but

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I've put it off for a long time.

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Largely because, firstly, I don't like to

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do videos on subjects that are not directly

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related to the economy, and I like to try and

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stay in my lane and be super economy-focused.

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And secondly, because, it felt a little bit,

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perhaps a bit personal, a bit indulgent.

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Anyone who's read my book will know that I've

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had problems with mental health in the past, and

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perhaps I was a little bit unwilling to be one

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of those typical guys on YouTube that starts talking

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about his own mental health in his videos.

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But I've decided to do it this week for a couple of reasons.

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The first one is, the last few months

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since I got back from being away,

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I've been doing a lot of videos about

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explaining why we need wealth taxes, how can you

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convince your friends that we need wealth taxes.

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And obviously, really, this whole channel is

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me trying to persuade you and, me trying to

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persuade the public that we need wealth taxes.

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And the longer I've been doing that, especially

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the last couple of weeks, where you put out

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your arguments for wealth taxes and you see

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people coming back with their arguments

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why we shouldn't,

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the more I start to feel that in a way

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we're not really arguing about the economy at all.

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I think we're putting out this

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idea into the world, there's massive

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economic problems, we need to fix things.

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And, often what we get back I

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think is kind of an emotional response.

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And I think the emotional response we get back

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when we send this message, "The economy is collapsing,"

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is a pretty understandable emotional response, which

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is that people are scared and people are worried, and

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they don't want the situation to be what I'm saying

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it is, which is that the situation is really bad.

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It's getting worse.

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The way to deal with it is to work together

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to fight against the richest and most powerful

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people in society, because that's scary.

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And I think really, a lot of what I've been

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doing the last few months, these few years, trying to

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convince people we need wealth taxes in the economy,

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a lot of the problem we are having is actually about

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mental health and people who are scared

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about what's happening in the economy.

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And people who, because they are scared, are

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looking for simple solutions and are

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unwilling to engage with what we are saying.

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So wanted talk bit about that.

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I wanted to talk about my relationship with that,

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because this is something that I went through

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when I first realised these things were happening.

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The second reason why I wanted to do it is because

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I myself have been having a little bit of a difficult

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time, especially the last, say, month or so, mental

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health-wise, motivation-wise, and I thought that meant

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it was a good time to talk about mental health, what

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it means to the economy, what it means for this

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channel, and what it means about how we fix things.

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And thirdly, I've been re-reading one of my

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favorite books recently, which is this book here.

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Not being paid by Camus.

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He's dead.

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This is, The Plague by Albert Camus.

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Camus is a French-Algerian author who wrote

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this really beautiful book about what it means to live

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in a collapsing society and what that,

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what that does to us and our mental health.

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So yeah, we're going to talk about mental health

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today and how that affects the economy.

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All right, so the first point I want to make, which

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is that the crisis of mental health which we're

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living in, in this country, in the US, across

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the world, and the crisis of the economy are super

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related in a way that should be really, really

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obvious, but for some reason is often ignored.

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So I went on Question Time this year,

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I think it was maybe in March, and

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the subject of mental health came up.

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There's lots of statistics showing

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that, especially for young people, like

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mental health is really deteriorating.

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Lots of people are stressed.

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Lots of people are depressed.

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And we were asked, the panel, you know, "Why do you

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think people are stressed and depressed?" And,

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one of the ladies on the panel said she thinks it's

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because of mobile phones and social media.

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And you know, perhaps that is a part to

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play in it, but it was very frustrating for

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me because we live here in a society where

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it is increasingly impossible to do like simple things

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like buy a house and have security for a family,

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be able to get like a decent living environment.

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To get that you need work all the hours God sends.

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You need to get a really competitive degree, and

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I think it should be really, really obvious that

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a big part of the reason why people, especially

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young people, are having mental health problems,

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is because it's increasingly impossible just be

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able to afford the basics of life for most people.

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So I think we'll put up a little clip of me

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trying to convince the people on Question Time

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that mental health is, is not just because

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of phones and it's not just because of individual

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problems, but is related to societal problems.

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I think we need to talk about the unbelievably

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hostile circumstances young people face

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with regards to their economic futures.

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More and more and more young

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people growing up in poverty.

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But even aside from that, we've got

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people with jobs in London who are homeless.

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So that means if you're a young person, you

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know that even if you get an ordinary job,

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it's not going to be enough to buy a home.

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It's not going to be enough to have a family.

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So, so just doing the right thing,

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working and getting job is, it doesn't

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even guarantee you can feed your kids.

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You know, we have to look at this and then

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obviously, if you're a young person, you're

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thinking, "Well, if I don't get the best grades

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and I don't get into the best university, then

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I'm not even going to be able to have a family."

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You know, what kind of world have we made here?

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You know, we need to look at it...

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We always look at the individual.

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This person has a mental health problem.

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This person has a mental health problem.

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It doesn't come out of nowhere.

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These people don't just suddenly get sick.

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My dad worked for the post office and he had a

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family and he bought a house and he has a retirement.

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He has a pension.

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Kids can't get that.

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Kids can't get that.

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Unless they make millions of pounds,

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they can't even have a family.

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It's ridiculous, you know.

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It's not just a problem for

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individuals, it's a societal problem.

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We need make sure young people have economic

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opportunity. It's super, super, super

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frustrating when people treat mental health

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problems as if they're like a broken leg.

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Like, you ****** up, you jumped

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off a building, you broke your leg.

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Now you have a problem.

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These things are to do with society.

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If you create a society where people have security,

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where people can get good quality secure work, and

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that secure work will be able to provide them with

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the basics they need to support a family and to

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support a family with dignity, then a lot of people

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will be relatively happy and calm and relaxed.

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If you create society like we live in now... I live

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in a city where people work full-time jobs and are

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homeless because they can't afford to pay rent, you

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know, nevermind being able to do things like support

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a family with dignity, get financial security.

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People will feel insecure because

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they genuinely are insecure.

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And I think it's really, really important

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that we start viewing mental health problems,

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especially when they exist in societies where

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the economic conditions are deteriorating

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really quickly, as being related to the economy.

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So, mental health and

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the economy are not unrelated.

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If you create an economy where people can live well,

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a lot of people will feel secure because they are secure.

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If you create an economy where it's very,

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very difficult to get security, people will

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feel insecure because they will be insecure.

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And this relates very much to my own

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personal story and, the story of my book.

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So, some of you might not have read

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my book so, or know my personal story.

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So I made most of my money in 2011 by betting that

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basically the... the economic crisis would last forever.

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That was just after the 2008 crisis.

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And what I bet on was that the economy and

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living standards for ordinary people would get

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worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.

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And I bet on that again,

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at the beginning of COVID 2020.

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So I'm somebody who has been very aware for a

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long time that living standards were going to fall.

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And a big part of the story of my book,

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especially the last section of my book,

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is very explicitly about

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depression and mental health.

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And that was me sort of trying to deal with

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this recent awareness that I had at

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a very young age, in 2011 I was 24, that living

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standards were going to get worse forever and

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that, there would be big explosions in poverty in

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my country, in your country, in the Western world.

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And you'd get people who'd read the book

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asking me, you know, "So, how did you make your

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money?" "Oh, I made my money betting society would

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collapse." And then they'd say, "But how did you fall

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into depression when you made so much money?" And I

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think it would be like super interesting really that,

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that so many people sort of failed to recognise

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that, knowing that the society you're in is

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collapsing and is going to collapse would have

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an effect on an individual's mental health.

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The, the little quote at

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the front of the book, I've got couple.

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One of them is from the Japanese film director, Akira

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Kurosawa, saying, "In mad world, only the mad are

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sane." and this is basically about the...

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What I wanted in this was to point out the fact

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that the book is partially about me going mad, but

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is it a mad thing to do, to go mad when you know

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you're in a society that is about to collapse?

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Yeah, that's really what I wanted to talk

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about in this video because I think it's

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super relevant to our work, trying to persuade

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people they need to take action on inequality.

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This question of what does it do to the individual when

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they realise they are in a society that is collapsing?

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The way that this crisis is often represented

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in the media or from politicians is kind of as what

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we call a recession, which means a couple of bad years.

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One bad year, two bad years, maybe if you're

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really unlucky, three bad years, and then

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things will start getting better again.

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But the reality is unless you're in the top 10%,

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really this just gets worse and worse

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and worse and worse and worse for you.

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So, my plan was like, well, listen, this is like

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really big political opportunity because the

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political status quo works really, really badly

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for like 90% of the population, and that means

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we have a really good chance here to unite 90% of

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the population to push for something different.

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Like in a democracy, if you have a status quo,

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which is going to impoverish the kids and grandkids

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of 90% of the population, all you need to do is

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show them the truth that this is going to happen,

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and you'll be able to motivate them to demand

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something different from their politicians.

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And I think the problem with that plan

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is really a problem of mental health.

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And I'll explain why.

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So this concept that what we were actually in

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economically was a structural crisis of growing

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inequality, that the bottom 90% was having their

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wealth kind of aggressively out by the

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top 1%, that is something that I realised in 2011

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when I was working as a trader.

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At the time, my job was basically to predict

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and bet on the future strength of like nations.

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So the UK, the US, Europe, these kinds of things.

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And it's a funny job in a way because

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if you think that the economy is going to be really

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bad and the economy turns out to be really bad,

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then you make money betting on terrible things.

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But that is your job, so it's this kind of strange

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job which is slightly dehumanised in a way.

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Like if you think a bad thing's going to

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happen, your job is to bet that bad thing is

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going to happen, and you're kind of encouraged

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to think abstractly, step outside the box.

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And, if you get it right, you make a

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ton of money and nobody really questions like

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whether it's the right or the wrong thing to do.

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And it felt like a very natural thing

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to do for somebody who studied economics.

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So, I did economics undergrad at London School of

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Economics, and then went into an economic analysis job.

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Your job is to look at economies, analyze economies,

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make predictions, bet on those predictions.

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So when I first put this bet on, I didn't really on

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any conscious level think, "What does it mean to bet

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on a collapsing economy?" Like I was a young person,

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this was my job, I was trying to make money.

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I put the bet on.

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And it wasn't really until the end of

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the year... That year, so this was 2011.

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At the end of the year when I got paid on the year,

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that I started to really think about, "What does that

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mean?" And to be honest, what you see in the sort of

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latter part of my book is a long period of me having

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this, what you might call, like cognitive dissonance,

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which is one part of my brain knows... Well, I

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think the first thing say is, when you first put the

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bet on, you don't know for sure that you're right.

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It's kind of, you're confident, you're confident enough

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to bet on it, but you're not sure it's going to happen.

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Then at the end of 2011, I was Citibank's

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most profitable trader in the year that year,

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based on betting society would collapse.

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And you get paid a ton of money.

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And I think that's probably where like part

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of you starts thinking, "Is that like, okay?

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Like, should that be the way the world

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works?" Like, should you just be paid

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a ton of money if the world's going to collapse?

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Should you do anything about the economy collapsing?

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But I think this is really the big question,

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which was, you know, my plan is to show people the

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economy is collapsing and hope they will take action.

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But when I myself realised the economy was

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collapsing, it was a long time before I took action.

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And it started a sort of battle in myself where

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first of all, you just kind of...

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You don't want to accept it.

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You don't want to... Because I think if you

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were to accept it, it would demand action from you.

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So for me as somebody who had made millions

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of pounds betting on society collapsing,

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I think there's a pretty obvious moral case to

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make to somebody like that, that is like, "Well,

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maybe you should stop the economy from collapsing."

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But obviously to do that, I would have had to quit

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my job, and I was making an enormous amount of money.

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That would be scary.

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Like, I worked really, really hard to get that job.

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I came from a poor background, so walking away

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from like such a well-paid job was a big thing.

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But also like, what do you do?

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Like, how can you actually stop this?

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And you have these arguments towards the latter

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part of the book, where I'm sort of arguing with other

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guys at Citibank, my colleagues saying, "Maybe we

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should do something." There's one specific discussion

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with, a guy who in the book is called Arthur,

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where I say to him, like, "Do you think we should

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do something about the collapsing economy?" And,

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he thinks I mean like, "Do you think we should put

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a trade on?" He just keeps saying, "But you already

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put the trade on." And I keep saying, "Should we

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do something?" And he just doesn't understand it.

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And I think what you kind of see here

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is basically when you confront somebody

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who is working really hard, leads a stressful

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life, has worked hard to get the job that they're

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in, or is struggling to put food on the table,

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anybody, you say, "Hey, society is collapsing.

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Let's stop it," I think a very, very normal

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emotional human response is to say like, "**** you.

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I'm busy.

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I'm stressed.

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Don't come and tell me we need

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save the world, because not my job.

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That's the job of the politicians.

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Other people should be doing that." And I think a

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lot of the pushback that we get, that I get

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is basically from people who are kind of struggling

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emotionally with the same thing I struggled

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emotionally with for a long time, which was, "Oh, ****,

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the society we live in is collapsing.

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What the **** do we do?" And I think this kind of

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debate which I had in my head or in my heart or

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in my body sort of in 2011, 2012, and I didn't

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finally quit that job till 2014, is to some degree

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the argument that we're having in society now.

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Because it was pretty clear to me by 2012 that

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what was going to happen was living standards would

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keep falling basically forever until we stop them.

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But I don't think that became really obvious in wider

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society, until maybe the last couple of years.

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I think you did start to see this

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understanding grow more and more and more.

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I think that's part of the reason why Brexit happened.

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I think that's part of the reason why Trump

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got elected both the first time and the second time.

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Now we're sort of moving into this space where

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it becomes more and more obvious to everyone

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that society is collapsing forever, the economy is

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collapsing forever, and people as individuals need to

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basically decide, "Okay, what do I do with that?

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How do I deal with that?" And

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this is where Camus comes in.

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So I think this book, this book... Camus,

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a French Algerian author, he lived in France

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during the Nazi occupation of France, and he saw

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the rise of the Nazis in the mid-20th Century.

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And the book is about an epidemic

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of plague in a city in Algeria.

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It's a metaphor for, for fascism and for

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the Nazis and the growth of Nazism in Europe.

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But what he talks about is when you live

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in the society that starts to collapse,

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what do people... how do people react

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to that, and how should people react to that?

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And in the book, what you see is, basically

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most people just kind of freak the

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**** out and kind of lose their minds.

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And I'm not going to criticise that response at all

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because, that's basically what happened to me.

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I had basically a breakdown

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when I realised society was collapsing.

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I realised it a long time before everybody else.

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I've had about 14 years to come to terms with it now.

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And you see some people become extremely religious.

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Some people become extremely angry.

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Some people become violent.

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Some people become greedy.

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A lot of people become hedonistic.

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And I think it's super, super

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understandable, this is a reaction.

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And when I put my message out there into the

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world on the videos saying, "Listen, if we

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don't take action, society is going to collapse,"

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a lot of the responses I get back

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are basically... And, you know, people say, "Oh,

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the pro- but the actual solution is Bitcoin.

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What you actually need to do is to print money.

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You know, the problem is actually immigrants.

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The problem is actually foreigners." What

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I really hear is a lot of people saying,

00:17:55

"Listen, I'm ******* stressed enough as it is.

00:17:57

Don't you dare tell me that this is my problem and

00:17:59

I need to fix it." The best example of that

00:18:01

was I gave a speech at like a really fancy,

00:18:05

advertising company once, and I was on a panel.

00:18:08

And I did this thing that I do where

00:18:11

I say, "Listen, actually we have this

00:18:12

fundamental problem with inequality.

00:18:13

It's going to get worse and worse.

00:18:15

If we don't take action, society will collapse."

00:18:17

And, um... a lady went up after me and

00:18:20

I think by all accounts, she's a very nice lady.

00:18:22

And what she said was, "Listen, the economy

00:18:26

is part of God's plan and it's like nature.

00:18:29

It's like the changing of the seasons.

00:18:31

Sometimes it gets better and sometimes it gets

00:18:33

worse." And, this was very frustrating for

00:18:37

me in this room full of rich people because

00:18:40

if these people can persuade themselves

00:18:44

that inequality is part of God's plan,

00:18:47

that sometimes it gets better and sometimes it gets

00:18:49

worse, that is a very, very good way of convincing

00:18:53

themselves that they don't need to take action.

00:18:55

And I think a lot of what we are seeing at the

00:18:58

moment is people starting to realise their society

00:19:01

is collapsing and desperately trying to find a

00:19:03

story to tell themselves, "I'm going to be okay.

00:19:07

I don't need to take action.

00:19:08

I don't need to be responsible for fixing this."

00:19:10

So, the truth is, what we are selling here

00:19:12

on this channel is the truth, but it's not

00:19:17

the most promising choice, right?

00:19:19

Because what we are saying is

00:19:22

we have a society-wide economic problem.

00:19:24

The problem is being caused by the very rich.

00:19:28

The people who are supposed be fixing it,

00:19:31

the politicians, the economists, are kind of

00:19:35

incompetent, kind of a little bit bought.

00:19:37

They're not going to fix it.

00:19:39

The job and the responsibility falls on you, ordinary

00:19:42

people, to unite together to educate one another

00:19:47

so that you can push back and fight against the

00:19:49

richest and most powerful people in society.

00:19:51

I think we have to accept that especially in the

00:19:55

very individualistic societies we live in here in

00:19:57

the UK, US, that is not the most appealing message.

00:20:02

And we're not the only guys selling a message

00:20:04

about, "How do you fix this?" There are a

00:20:05

lot of other messages online that's saying

00:20:08

there are other ways to fix your poverty.

00:20:09

I'm going to show you one now from a Instagram

00:20:11

account I've been really enjoying lately.

00:20:13

Listen to this.

00:20:15

Slaves worked all the hours they were awake

00:20:18

for their entire lives.

00:20:20

I think, like, if they can do it, so can I.

00:20:22

You know, Aldous Huxley once said that a

00:20:24

really efficient totalitarian state would

00:20:27

be one with slaves who do not have to be

00:20:30

coerced because they love their servitude.

00:20:32

The reason I wanted show you that is because

00:20:36

as we move further and further and further into this

00:20:38

collapsing economy, and more and more people lose

00:20:42

their minds, people are going to look for ways to get

00:20:47

out of this that they think can protect themselves.

00:20:50

And I think one thing that is super

00:20:52

interesting about this is one of the other

00:20:55

big solutions that people being sold is if you

00:20:57

just work harder, if you work really, really,

00:21:00

really, really, really, really hard, maybe you

00:21:02

will survive the collapse of your whole economy.

00:21:04

And I think it's... it's really appealing

00:21:10

in this post-Thatcher/Reagan world.

00:21:13

There was a quote which, Jack, my

00:21:15

cameraman, told me from Margaret Thatcher.

00:21:19

She said, "Economics are the method.

00:21:21

The object is to change the soul."

00:21:24

And I think that maybe 50 or 60 years ago, we might

00:21:27

have lived in countries where people understood

00:21:30

that the best way to protect your interests

00:21:32

from the rich is to work together.

00:21:33

But as we've moved into very sort of individualistic

00:21:36

mindset, people have been increasingly convinced

00:21:38

that the best way to protect yourself from

00:21:40

the rich is to work really, really, really,

00:21:43

really, really, really, really, really

00:21:44

hard and to compete with other poor people.

00:21:46

If you do that, if everybody does that, if

00:21:51

everybody works really, really, really, really hard to

00:21:53

be the best and lowest paid and hardest working slave,

00:21:55

all you will do is push wages down incredibly quickly

00:21:59

and impoverish yourself and everyone around you.

00:22:02

The only way to fix this is

00:22:04

to find ways to work together.

00:22:05

Okay, so what do you do if you're in that situation,

00:22:07

if you're in a society that is collapsing?

00:22:09

The rich are taking everything.

00:22:11

The 90% are being killed.

00:22:13

The only real way to stop it is to try and unite

00:22:16

that 90% somehow, or as many of it as you can.

00:22:19

But you live in this

00:22:21

phenomenally individualistic society.

00:22:23

Okay, so I'll talk about what I did.

00:22:25

And the truth is, you know, I kind of had

00:22:28

a mental breakdown basically, and this is

00:22:29

the story of the latter part of the book.

00:22:31

I think it's quite beautifully written

00:22:33

personally, but you can read it if you're interested.

00:22:35

And I tried really, really hard to

00:22:39

convince myself that this was not my problem.

00:22:43

There's a side character in my book who,

00:22:46

I wanted to include more, but I didn't have space.

00:22:48

There's a guy called... In the book, he's called Hong.

00:22:50

Really, really nice guy, maybe not the best trader.

00:22:53

But he did this amazing thing, which

00:22:58

is he used to take like 30 sick days a year.

00:23:01

And another guy who I used to work with

00:23:02

called Billy had a little book where

00:23:04

he used to record all of his sick days.

00:23:05

That was on top of his 25 holiday days.

00:23:07

And, nobody got really pissed about

00:23:10

this because he was such a nice guy, and,

00:23:13

he had managed to do this thing in his work

00:23:15

where he had kind of emotionally detached himself

00:23:18

from his work, and he wasn't making the most

00:23:22

money as a trader, but he was a really nice guy.

00:23:23

He was doing his job pretty well, and

00:23:27

he had managed to be emotionally detached.

00:23:28

And I used to sit on my desk on Citibank

00:23:32

trading floor, and I used look at this guy.

00:23:34

In the book, he's called Hong.

00:23:35

This is the scene I wanted to include in the book.

00:23:37

And I used to say to myself, "Why

00:23:39

can't you just be more like Hong?

00:23:41

Why can't you not give a **** about being the best

00:23:44

trader, not give a **** about the world collapsing?

00:23:46

Just get paid your half a million pound

00:23:49

a year and live a ******* good life."

00:23:52

And I tried and I tried and I tried for a long

00:23:55

time, to ignore this sort of, I guess, this

00:24:00

social responsibility to try and fix things.

00:24:02

And then when I tried speak to traders

00:24:06

around me, you know, "Should we do things?"

00:24:08

They just sort of laughed, you know.

00:24:09

Because obviously there's no... You can't pick

00:24:11

up the phone and speak to David Cameron and say,

00:24:14

"The economy's collapsing." And they

00:24:17

said, "It's impossible to do anything." And,

00:24:19

I told myself it was impossible to do anything.

00:24:21

And the truth is, you know, I made this realisation

00:24:23

in 2011. I didn't quit 'til 2014.

00:24:28

I tried really, really, really, really hard

00:24:30

to not do anything about the collapsing economy.

00:24:34

But eventually, the truth is, my body kind

00:24:36

of made the decision for me, and, I got more

00:24:39

and more depressed, and I got more and more sick.

00:24:40

And I didn't really get better until I chose to

00:24:43

quit that job and try and ******* do something.

00:24:46

So personally, I think, and I think this is

00:24:50

the message that Camus comes across in his book,

00:24:53

in a society that is collapsing,

00:24:55

the only way to be healthy and to be calm is

00:24:58

to try to do something to stop that collapse.

00:25:01

But the truth is, even when I did quit in

00:25:03

2014, I didn't work very aggressively, at

00:25:07

fixing the collapsing economy for a long time.

00:25:09

This YouTube channel was started in 2020.

00:25:11

So I haven't spoken much about the

00:25:12

period between me quitting my job in 2014

00:25:15

and me starting this YouTube channel in 2020.

00:25:19

And people who read my book, I kind of wanted

00:25:22

give the impression that I never really wanted

00:25:25

to work for charity and it was kind of like

00:25:26

a game I was using get out of the bank.

00:25:28

But the truth is, that whole period, 2014 - 2020,

00:25:32

I was working in trying to find ways

00:25:36

to stop the economy from collapsing.

00:25:37

And the first thing I did, which I think is

00:25:41

kind of the logical thing to do if your plan is

00:25:43

try and do something about growing inequality,

00:25:45

is I went and I researched the political Left.

00:25:48

It's a common, conspiracy that I'm some sort of

00:25:52

leftist, some massive leftist, some massive communist.

00:25:54

But the truth is, I was never on the political

00:25:56

Left and, I never voted for Labour,

00:26:01

at the point of leaving my job.

00:26:02

But because I thought the problem

00:26:04

was inequality, I assumed the political

00:26:06

Left would be the right place to go.

00:26:08

And I started research the political Left

00:26:10

and I volunteered at some think tanks.

00:26:11

And, you know, I met some great people

00:26:13

who I do still talk to today.

00:26:14

But I was actually like often very,

00:26:17

very frustrated at, number one,

00:26:19

there was almost nobody working on inequality.

00:26:22

And number two, there were a lot of sort of very

00:26:24

posh, well-meaning people who didn't seem super, super,

00:26:28

like really actively concerned and aggressive

00:26:31

about working really hard try and fix inequality.

00:26:35

And I think this is another sort of mental health

00:26:40

wall you can hit when you try to fix things, which...

00:26:42

And we see this a lot, which is people watch our

00:26:45

videos, they become convinced like I was convinced,

00:26:49

and they're like, "Oh my God, I want to do something.

00:26:51

I want to help." But they, similarly to

00:26:55

me in that period of time, they don't know where

00:26:57

to go, they don't know where to use their energy,

00:27:00

they don't know how to actually take action.

00:27:03

So, this is a kind of next step from a mental health

00:27:06

perspective, which is you've realised what's

00:27:08

happening, you've had your freak-out, you've gone

00:27:11

mental for a bit, you've managed to calm yourself down.

00:27:13

You're like, "Now I want to help," and

00:27:14

you can't actually find a place to help.

00:27:18

So, I think with regards to this, I'm always...

00:27:22

We have this discussion quite a lot on

00:27:23

the channel, where we, we talk about like

00:27:26

should we get people to send letters to their

00:27:27

MPs or should we give them like calls to action?

00:27:29

Should we arrange like a march?

00:27:31

Should we arrange like rally?

00:27:33

And I've always been on the side of, I don't want to

00:27:39

arrange these kind of big grandstand events.

00:27:42

What I want to... Because we're not...

00:27:45

I don't want people to give everything, get

00:27:47

super excited, and then burn themself out

00:27:49

because we haven't built those structures.

00:27:51

So what I would say is if you do want to help

00:27:54

and you're in that sort of space, recognise it's

00:27:58

a long-term battle, recognise it's not all on you.

00:28:04

We are not able to give jobs and work

00:28:07

to everybody who wants to support.

00:28:08

What we would ask you to do is always

00:28:11

watch and understand the videos, share the

00:28:13

videos, share the message, get good at explaining

00:28:16

in a simple way that the reason the economy is

00:28:18

getting worse is because of growing inequality,

00:28:20

and just build that message, build that message.

00:28:22

If you're an ordinary person,

00:28:25

that's all we would ask of you.

00:28:26

If you are somebody who is in some position

00:28:28

of power, like you... you are on the political

00:28:32

Left or you are on the political Right, I

00:28:34

think you should be asking yourself, how can

00:28:36

you create spaces for other people to get

00:28:38

involved so that they can support this message?

00:28:41

But the final big realisation that I made in that

00:28:44

period when I was trying to figure out ways to fix it

00:28:48

was basically that the fire engines are not coming.

00:28:52

So, there are these institutions in society that are

00:28:55

supposed to protect us from economic collapse,

00:28:57

which are most obviously the politicians, but also

00:29:00

the academic economists, institutions like central

00:29:04

banks, which are full of economists that are supposed

00:29:06

protect your country's economy, things

00:29:11

like the civil service, things like the media.

00:29:13

These guys are all supposed to

00:29:14

realise there is an economic collapse.

00:29:16

And the big thing that I realised after leaving

00:29:20

the bank is that basically these institutions are all

00:29:23

kind of broken and not able to recognise that basically

00:29:28

what is happening is being caused by inequality.

00:29:29

And that was kind of the second

00:29:33

big shocking realisation for me.

00:29:34

And it's also another big shocking realisation,

00:29:38

I think for... to give to ordinary people.

00:29:40

The truth is, the institutions that are supposed

00:29:44

to protect your economy are not functioning.

00:29:46

They're unable to realise

00:29:49

that inequality is the core problem.

00:29:50

That's another thing we just need to sit and

00:29:52

take a long breath and think about, because

00:29:54

that means that if you are just a regular person,

00:29:58

the responsibility to protect your family and

00:30:00

your kids' and your grandkids' future falls upon you.

00:30:03

And that is another thing which is going to freak

00:30:05

people out from a mental health perspective.

00:30:08

But I think the way to deal with it

00:30:10

is to understand it, to accept it, and to find

00:30:13

some way that you can contribute fixing things.

00:30:15

Take it easy.

00:30:16

Don't work too hard.

00:30:18

Support us.

00:30:19

If you are able to get yourself into a

00:30:21

position of power, we really, really need to

00:30:26

get this idea better understood amongst people

00:30:30

like politicians, economic academics,

00:30:33

economists, the media, civil servants.

00:30:38

We need these think tanks.

00:30:40

We need these people to understand better.

00:30:42

If you do not deal with growing

00:30:44

inequality, your society will collapse.

00:30:46

And if you are working in one of those spaces or are able

00:30:49

to work in one of those spaces, please try your best to

00:30:52

spread that message so that people can understand it.

00:30:55

So that brings us to where we are now basically.

00:30:57

The message that I want to send across is that

00:31:03

the reality of the situation is really, really bad.

00:31:06

That is a massive opportunity because it is going to

00:31:12

damage 90% of families in my country and your country.

00:31:15

If we can unite those families, we can

00:31:17

definitely create change politically.

00:31:20

But it is a massive blow to tell people that

00:31:26

that is going to happen, and we need to find ways

00:31:29

to support each other to get people to understand

00:31:32

what's happening and not freak the **** out.

00:31:35

And that's true for me as

00:31:36

well, and it's true for you.

00:31:37

Listen, I've known for 14 years now

00:31:40

that our economy was going to collapse, and,

00:31:43

the truth is like for the last three years

00:31:44

I've known we had a real opportunity, a really

00:31:46

big opportunity to build something big here.

00:31:49

I'm really proud of what we've built.

00:31:51

I have probably pushed myself a bit too hard.

00:31:54

I took six, seven weeks off earlier this

00:31:58

year, and I came back, and I was really

00:32:00

sort of gunning for it, ready to sort of

00:32:03

go and hold the politicians to account.

00:32:05

And, I've been meeting people at think tanks.

00:32:07

I've been speaking to politicians and celebrities

00:32:10

and trying to build... trying to build a bigger

00:32:13

social media infrastructure for these sort of ideas.

00:32:15

But for the last few weeks, I've been really

00:32:19

struggling a little bit just to make videos, just

00:32:23

to sort of find the creativity to make good videos.

00:32:26

It's a funny thing for me because my background is

00:32:29

maths and economics, and, I'm always really, really,

00:32:31

really confident with the economics understanding.

00:32:34

I'm really confident at trading.

00:32:36

But this YouTube and also the book,

00:32:39

it's not just about understanding the economy.

00:32:41

A huge part of it is this kind of creative

00:32:44

job of how do you package it, how do you make

00:32:47

it compelling, how do you draw people in?

00:32:49

And it's really, it's that kind of creative

00:32:51

energy that I've been struggling a little bit

00:32:52

with recently, and it's, it's the first time

00:32:55

that's ever really happened to me, to be honest.

00:32:56

When I wrote the book, it was kind of amazing,

00:32:58

I could just... it took a long time for

00:33:01

me to figure out the shape of it, but once

00:33:02

I had that, it just really flowed through.

00:33:05

And for the last sort of two, three years, I've taken

00:33:07

these big breaks, but I've felt really, really

00:33:09

confident about the creative product we've been making.

00:33:13

And especially the first half of this year,

00:33:15

I thought the videos were amazing, and I really

00:33:17

wanted come back and really hit the ground running

00:33:19

with videos, but I'm honestly just starting

00:33:21

to feel like I'm a little bit running on empty.

00:33:23

And that, and that's been difficult for me.

00:33:26

But I think I've got my

00:33:27

plan for what I'm going to do.

00:33:29

I'm going to mix up videos a bit.

00:33:31

You might find this surprising.

00:33:33

I hate talking to camera, and if

00:33:37

you look at the older videos we used to do,

00:33:40

I used to do a lot of videos where I would talk

00:33:43

to, my mate Simran used to stand over here, and,

00:33:45

I found those videos way, way easier to make.

00:33:48

I think I might need to basically

00:33:51

reduce a little bit my shoot days, and

00:33:54

only do some to camera and do some off camera.

00:33:56

I think I'm going to have to do that

00:33:58

basically in order to slow things down.

00:33:59

It's disappointing for me because,

00:34:03

I really feel like we're sort of, we're

00:34:04

really getting close to building something.

00:34:06

But I can only carry as much as I can carry, and,

00:34:10

basically I need you guys to do a little bit more.

00:34:13

I need especially... If you are somebody

00:34:15

who has influence in one of those spaces,

00:34:18

the political left, the political right,

00:34:22

government, politicians, media, civil servants,

00:34:25

academia, I really need you guys to start

00:34:28

carrying it a bit more and push it a bit more.

00:34:29

Because I don't think I'm going to be able to keep

00:34:32

pushing it as much as I have been the last few years.

00:34:34

But I'm not going to take a break.

00:34:36

We're going to keep shooting at least

00:34:37

for another couple of months.

00:34:38

Look, the strategy is simple.

00:34:42

If we've got enough people, we don't need

00:34:44

individuals to throw themselves at the barricades.

00:34:46

We don't need individuals to burn themselves out.

00:34:48

Understand the message, spread it, bring people in.

00:34:52

But we also need to build models of

00:34:55

strength that aren't just about individualism,

00:34:58

people being the best, people being richest.

00:35:01

Because the problem is here is really quite simple.

00:35:05

If we can find enough people in this country,

00:35:08

in your country, who are willing to be unselfish

00:35:11

enough that they don't prioritise just their

00:35:14

interests, but they work together to build and

00:35:17

spread a simple message, then their financial

00:35:21

interests will be protected in the long run.

00:35:23

If we are a country that is too selfish, that it

00:35:27

cannot find enough people to protect their collective

00:35:29

interests, then most people will be bankrupted.

00:35:34

So it's kind of this beautiful irony in

00:35:37

a way, which is if people are so

00:35:40

blinded by their selfish material interests,

00:35:42

then they will be materially bankrupted.

00:35:45

But if enough people can stand together to work

00:35:48

together to protect their joint material interests,

00:35:51

then their material interests will be protected.

00:35:53

So it's a battle in a sense

00:35:56

for the soul of the country.

00:35:57

I know which side I'm going to fight on.

00:35:59

I hope you fight too.

00:36:02

You know, I've mentioned Margaret Thatcher in this

00:36:03

video, and she said once, "There is, no such thing

00:36:08

as society." I think what she meant by that was

00:36:12

it is the job of all of us to simply protect ourselves.

00:36:17

The problem is we are in a competition for

00:36:20

resources here, and if we deal with this

00:36:23

in a series of one-on-one battles,

00:36:25

then basically the rich will take everything.

00:36:31

So if we live in a society of individuals

00:36:34

where nobody helps each other, where nobody protects

00:36:36

each other, then who protects the poor from the rich?

00:36:39

So that's it basically.

00:36:40

My video on mental health.

00:36:41

I think it's difficult to be mentally well

00:36:44

when you're in society that's falling apart,

00:36:47

especially a society that tells us

00:36:49

our individual responsibilities are only to

00:36:51

ourselves, but makes it almost impossible

00:36:54

for us protect ourselves individually.

00:36:56

I think the way for us to stay

00:36:59

mentally healthy is... is to fight back,

00:37:03

but to fight back in a way that is balanced.

00:37:05

Don't burn yourself out.

00:37:07

Support each other.

00:37:08

You're going to need each other.

00:37:09

All right, that's it for this week.

00:37:11

We're going to do some more,

00:37:13

off-camera stuff I think.

00:37:14

I've got a couple of good ones coming up.

00:37:16

One about how to build a wealth tax in

00:37:18

terms of implementation, and one about

00:37:21

why you need to forget about money.

00:37:22

Yeah, we're going to try some

00:37:24

new sort of video styles out.

00:37:25

Let us know what you think when you see them.

00:37:27

That's it.

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Thanks for your support.

00:37:29

Tax wealth, not work.

00:37:30

Thank you.