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GAMESTOP: talking about Short Selling - Gary on Radio 5 Live with Nihal Arthanayake

February 06, 2021
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okay now something very weird

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okay now something very weird is<00:00:04.160> happening<00:00:04.480> in<00:00:04.640> financial<00:00:05.200> markets<00:00:05.920> shares

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is happening in financial markets shares

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is happening in financial markets shares in<00:00:06.960> the<00:00:07.200> loss<00:00:07.520> making<00:00:07.919> it's<00:00:08.080> important<00:00:08.400> to<00:00:08.480> say

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in the loss making it's important to say

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in the loss making it's important to say loss<00:00:09.200> making<00:00:09.519> us<00:00:09.760> video<00:00:10.080> game<00:00:10.320> retailer

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loss making us video game retailer

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loss making us video game retailer gamestop<00:00:11.679> are<00:00:11.840> now<00:00:12.160> worth

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gamestop are now worth

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gamestop are now worth 15<00:00:13.519> times<00:00:13.840> as<00:00:14.000> much<00:00:14.240> as<00:00:14.320> they<00:00:14.559> were<00:00:14.960> at<00:00:15.120> the

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15 times as much as they were at the

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15 times as much as they were at the beginning<00:00:15.679> of<00:00:15.759> the<00:00:15.920> year

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beginning of the year

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beginning of the year now<00:00:16.480> part<00:00:16.800> of<00:00:16.880> the<00:00:17.039> reason<00:00:17.760> is<00:00:17.920> that<00:00:18.240> amateur

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now part of the reason is that amateur

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now part of the reason is that amateur investors

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investors

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investors have<00:00:19.760> been<00:00:20.080> piling<00:00:20.720> into<00:00:21.039> stock<00:00:21.359> in<00:00:21.439> an<00:00:21.600> effort

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have been piling into stock in an effort

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have been piling into stock in an effort to<00:00:22.080> target<00:00:22.480> hedge<00:00:22.800> funds

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to target hedge funds

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to target hedge funds which<00:00:23.680> have<00:00:24.000> big<00:00:24.240> bets<00:00:25.039> that<00:00:25.279> gamestop<00:00:26.080> shares

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which have big bets that gamestop shares

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which have big bets that gamestop shares will

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will

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fall in value now this battle between

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fall in value now this battle between amateur

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amateur

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amateur and<00:00:30.160> professional<00:00:30.560> investors<00:00:31.039> is<00:00:31.199> creating

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and professional investors is creating

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and professional investors is creating huge<00:00:32.079> price<00:00:32.399> swings<00:00:32.880> which<00:00:33.120> are<00:00:33.200> now

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huge price swings which are now

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huge price swings which are now spreading<00:00:33.760> to<00:00:34.000> other<00:00:34.320> stocks

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spreading to other stocks

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spreading to other stocks like<00:00:35.280> the<00:00:35.520> uk<00:00:35.840> education<00:00:36.399> publishing<00:00:36.800> company

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like the uk education publishing company

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like the uk education publishing company pearson

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pearson

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pearson gary<00:00:38.559> stevenson<00:00:39.120> joins<00:00:39.360> us<00:00:39.520> now<00:00:39.680> as<00:00:39.840> an

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gary stevenson joins us now as an

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gary stevenson joins us now as an economist<00:00:40.480> and<00:00:40.559> former<00:00:40.800> city<00:00:41.120> trader

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economist and former city trader

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economist and former city trader um<00:00:42.480> gary<00:00:42.879> tell<00:00:43.040> us<00:00:43.200> what<00:00:43.440> is<00:00:43.600> going<00:00:43.840> on<00:00:44.000> here

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um gary tell us what is going on here

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um gary tell us what is going on here good<00:00:44.399> afternoon

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so i think to understand what's

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so i think to understand what's happening<00:00:50.640> you<00:00:50.800> need<00:00:50.879> to<00:00:50.960> have<00:00:51.039> a<00:00:51.120> little<00:00:51.280> bit

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happening you need to have a little bit

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happening you need to have a little bit of<00:00:51.520> broad<00:00:51.840> context<00:00:52.160> basically<00:00:52.559> obviously

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of broad context basically obviously

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of broad context basically obviously please

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please

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we've had a massive economic crash but

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we've had a massive economic crash but um<00:00:55.680> if<00:00:55.840> you<00:00:55.920> were<00:00:56.000> to<00:00:56.079> look<00:00:56.239> at<00:00:56.320> the<00:00:56.399> stock

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um if you were to look at the stock

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um if you were to look at the stock markets<00:00:57.039> you<00:00:57.280> you<00:00:57.440> wouldn't<00:00:57.680> know<00:00:57.840> it

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markets you you wouldn't know it

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markets you you wouldn't know it especially<00:00:58.320> if<00:00:58.399> you<00:00:58.480> look<00:00:58.640> at<00:00:58.719> the<00:00:58.879> american

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especially if you look at the american

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especially if you look at the american stock<00:00:59.440> markets<00:00:59.760> this<00:00:59.840> is<00:00:59.920> something

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stock markets this is something

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stock markets this is something soaring<00:01:00.879> right<00:01:01.120> there's<00:01:01.760> there's<00:01:02.000> been<00:01:02.160> an

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soaring right there's there's been an

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soaring right there's there's been an explosion<00:01:02.960> i<00:01:03.039> mean<00:01:03.199> i<00:01:03.280> think<00:01:03.359> it's<00:01:03.520> up<00:01:03.600> sort<00:01:03.760> of

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explosion i mean i think it's up sort of

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explosion i mean i think it's up sort of 80<00:01:04.239> 90

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since the lows in march and this is just

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since the lows in march and this is just phenomenal<00:01:07.520> when<00:01:07.680> you<00:01:07.760> consider<00:01:08.560> you<00:01:08.640> know

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phenomenal when you consider you know

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phenomenal when you consider you know what<00:01:08.960> has<00:01:09.119> happened<00:01:09.280> to<00:01:09.439> the<00:01:09.520> economy

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what has happened to the economy

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what has happened to the economy and<00:01:10.960> the<00:01:11.119> situation<00:01:11.600> of<00:01:11.680> a<00:01:11.760> lot<00:01:11.920> of<00:01:12.320> american

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and the situation of a lot of american

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and the situation of a lot of american workers

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workers

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or in many cases people who want to work

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or in many cases people who want to work is<00:01:15.600> they're<00:01:15.759> sitting<00:01:16.000> at<00:01:16.080> home

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is they're sitting at home

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is they're sitting at home they're<00:01:17.040> not<00:01:17.119> able<00:01:17.280> to<00:01:17.360> work<00:01:17.520> because<00:01:17.680> of<00:01:17.759> the

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they're not able to work because of the

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they're not able to work because of the coronaries<00:01:18.320> crisis<00:01:18.880> they're<00:01:19.040> not<00:01:19.119> making

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coronaries crisis they're not making

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coronaries crisis they're not making money<00:01:19.759> and<00:01:19.840> they<00:01:20.000> haven't<00:01:20.240> had<00:01:20.479> quite<00:01:20.640> the

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money and they haven't had quite the

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money and they haven't had quite the same<00:01:20.880> levels<00:01:21.119> of<00:01:21.200> support<00:01:21.520> that<00:01:21.600> we've<00:01:21.759> had

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same levels of support that we've had

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same levels of support that we've had here

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and they're just watching these stock

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and they're just watching these stock markets<00:01:24.240> fly<00:01:24.720> through<00:01:25.040> the<00:01:25.119> roof

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markets fly through the roof

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markets fly through the roof and<00:01:25.840> you<00:01:26.000> know<00:01:26.479> some<00:01:26.640> people<00:01:26.880> are<00:01:26.960> calling<00:01:27.200> it

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and you know some people are calling it

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and you know some people are calling it a<00:01:27.360> k-shaped<00:01:27.840> recovery<00:01:28.240> i<00:01:28.320> think<00:01:28.400> that's<00:01:28.640> what

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a k-shaped recovery i think that's what

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a k-shaped recovery i think that's what it<00:01:28.960> is<00:01:29.119> really

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it is really

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it is really stock<00:01:30.000> markets<00:01:30.320> are<00:01:30.400> flying<00:01:30.640> through<00:01:30.720> the

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stock markets are flying through the

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stock markets are flying through the roof<00:01:31.040> here<00:01:31.280> in<00:01:31.360> england<00:01:31.840> we're<00:01:32.000> seeing<00:01:32.320> more

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roof here in england we're seeing more

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roof here in england we're seeing more happening<00:01:32.960> in

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happening in

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happening in property<00:01:33.680> markets<00:01:34.320> but<00:01:34.479> ordinary<00:01:34.960> people

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property markets but ordinary people

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property markets but ordinary people they've<00:01:35.840> lost<00:01:36.000> their<00:01:36.079> jobs<00:01:36.240> and<00:01:36.320> lost<00:01:36.479> their

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they've lost their jobs and lost their

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they've lost their jobs and lost their incomes<00:01:36.960> and

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incomes and

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people are starting to think well it's

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people are starting to think well it's about<00:01:39.520> time<00:01:39.759> you<00:01:39.840> get<00:01:39.920> involved<00:01:40.240> in<00:01:40.320> this<00:01:40.479> and

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about time you get involved in this and

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about time you get involved in this and now<00:01:40.720> you're<00:01:40.799> seeing

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now you're seeing

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now you're seeing ordinary<00:01:41.759> people<00:01:42.159> you<00:01:42.240> know<00:01:42.720> sitting<00:01:42.960> at<00:01:43.040> home

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ordinary people you know sitting at home

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ordinary people you know sitting at home on<00:01:43.360> reddit<00:01:43.600> which<00:01:43.759> is<00:01:43.840> this<00:01:44.159> internet

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on reddit which is this internet

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on reddit which is this internet messaging<00:01:44.880> board

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messaging board

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said we want to get involved and we want

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said we want to get involved and we want some<00:01:46.880> of<00:01:46.960> that<00:01:47.119> too<00:01:47.360> we<00:01:47.439> don't<00:01:47.600> want<00:01:47.680> that<00:01:47.840> just

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some of that too we don't want that just

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some of that too we don't want that just to<00:01:48.079> go<00:01:48.240> to<00:01:48.399> the<00:01:48.640> wealthy

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to go to the wealthy

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to go to the wealthy stockholders<00:01:49.759> and<00:01:49.920> um<00:01:50.159> it's<00:01:50.399> it's<00:01:50.640> been<00:01:50.880> crazy

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stockholders and um it's it's been crazy

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stockholders and um it's it's been crazy so<00:01:51.520> they've<00:01:51.680> all<00:01:51.920> turned<00:01:52.240> into<00:01:52.399> this<00:01:52.560> one-stop

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so they've all turned into this one-stop

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so they've all turned into this one-stop gamestop<00:01:53.840> which<00:01:54.079> has<00:01:54.159> gone<00:01:54.320> up<00:01:54.479> i<00:01:54.560> think

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gamestop which has gone up i think

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gamestop which has gone up i think one<00:01:55.119> thousand<00:01:55.439> five<00:01:55.600> hundred<00:01:55.840> percent<00:01:56.159> in

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one thousand five hundred percent in

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one thousand five hundred percent in about<00:01:56.479> two<00:01:56.719> weeks<00:01:57.600> it's<00:01:57.759> nearly<00:01:58.000> bankrupted

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about two weeks it's nearly bankrupted

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about two weeks it's nearly bankrupted the<00:01:58.479> u.s<00:01:58.640> hedge<00:01:58.880> fund

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the u.s hedge fund

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the u.s hedge fund and<00:01:59.759> it<00:02:00.000> it<00:02:00.079> just<00:02:00.320> is<00:02:00.399> a<00:02:00.479> phenomenal<00:02:00.960> story<00:02:01.200> but

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and it it just is a phenomenal story but

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and it it just is a phenomenal story but i<00:02:01.360> think<00:02:01.680> this<00:02:01.840> is<00:02:01.920> what<00:02:02.079> happens<00:02:02.479> when

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i think this is what happens when

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i think this is what happens when when<00:02:03.920> governments<00:02:04.479> basically<00:02:05.040> try<00:02:05.280> and<00:02:05.600> fix

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when governments basically try and fix

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when governments basically try and fix an<00:02:05.920> economic<00:02:06.240> crisis<00:02:06.560> by<00:02:06.719> pouring<00:02:07.119> loads<00:02:07.360> and

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an economic crisis by pouring loads and

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an economic crisis by pouring loads and loads<00:02:07.920> of<00:02:08.000> money

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loads of money

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loads of money and<00:02:08.560> not<00:02:08.720> dealing<00:02:08.959> with<00:02:09.119> the<00:02:09.200> underlying

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and not dealing with the underlying

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and not dealing with the underlying issues<00:02:10.160> that<00:02:10.239> are<00:02:10.319> happening<00:02:11.360> so

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issues that are happening so

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issues that are happening so tell<00:02:12.239> me<00:02:12.400> what<00:02:12.560> it<00:02:12.640> is<00:02:12.800> just<00:02:12.959> let's<00:02:13.200> get<00:02:13.360> back

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tell me what it is just let's get back

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tell me what it is just let's get back to<00:02:13.760> basics<00:02:14.319> gary

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to basics gary

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to basics gary about<00:02:15.680> short<00:02:16.080> selling<00:02:16.480> this<00:02:16.640> is<00:02:16.959> all<00:02:17.200> about

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about short selling this is all about

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about short selling this is all about short<00:02:17.840> selling<00:02:18.160> yes

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short selling yes

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short selling yes yeah<00:02:19.040> yeah<00:02:19.280> yeah<00:02:19.920> okay<00:02:20.160> yeah<00:02:20.319> um<00:02:20.480> so<00:02:20.640> basically

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yeah yeah yeah okay yeah um so basically

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yeah yeah yeah okay yeah um so basically uh<00:02:21.599> short<00:02:21.840> selling<00:02:22.080> is<00:02:22.160> a<00:02:22.239> way<00:02:22.480> that<00:02:22.640> um

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uh short selling is a way that um

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uh short selling is a way that um an<00:02:23.599> ordinary<00:02:24.000> person<00:02:24.239> or<00:02:24.319> more<00:02:24.480> often<00:02:24.720> a

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an ordinary person or more often a

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an ordinary person or more often a professional<00:02:25.120> investor<00:02:25.440> can<00:02:25.599> basically<00:02:26.239> try

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professional investor can basically try

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professional investor can basically try and<00:02:26.560> make<00:02:26.800> money<00:02:27.040> on<00:02:27.120> the<00:02:27.280> price<00:02:27.599> of<00:02:27.760> a<00:02:27.840> stock

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and make money on the price of a stock

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and make money on the price of a stock or<00:02:28.959> anything<00:02:29.200> else<00:02:29.440> uh<00:02:29.680> falling<00:02:30.400> obviously<00:02:30.720> if

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or anything else uh falling obviously if

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or anything else uh falling obviously if a<00:02:30.959> pr<00:02:31.120> if<00:02:31.200> a<00:02:31.280> stock's<00:02:31.519> gonna<00:02:31.760> go<00:02:31.840> up<00:02:32.000> it's

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a pr if a stock's gonna go up it's

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a pr if a stock's gonna go up it's pretty<00:02:32.319> simple<00:02:32.640> you<00:02:32.720> do<00:02:32.879> you<00:02:33.040> go<00:02:33.200> out<00:02:33.360> you<00:02:33.440> buy

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pretty simple you do you go out you buy

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pretty simple you do you go out you buy the<00:02:33.680> stock<00:02:33.920> it<00:02:34.000> goes<00:02:34.239> up<00:02:34.319> you<00:02:34.480> sell<00:02:34.720> it

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the stock it goes up you sell it

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the stock it goes up you sell it so<00:02:35.120> how<00:02:35.200> do<00:02:35.280> you<00:02:35.360> make<00:02:35.519> money<00:02:35.760> from<00:02:36.000> a<00:02:36.080> stock

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so how do you make money from a stock

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so how do you make money from a stock price<00:02:36.560> going<00:02:36.800> down<00:02:37.519> uh<00:02:37.840> well<00:02:38.000> you<00:02:38.080> can't<00:02:38.319> sell

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price going down uh well you can't sell

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price going down uh well you can't sell something<00:02:38.879> you<00:02:38.959> don't<00:02:39.200> own

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something you don't own

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something you don't own so<00:02:39.840> what<00:02:40.000> these<00:02:40.239> people<00:02:40.400> have<00:02:40.560> to<00:02:40.640> do<00:02:40.879> is<00:02:41.040> they

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so what these people have to do is they

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so what these people have to do is they go<00:02:41.360> out<00:02:41.440> and<00:02:41.519> they<00:02:41.680> borrow<00:02:42.000> a<00:02:42.080> stock

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go out and they borrow a stock

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go out and they borrow a stock then<00:02:43.120> they<00:02:43.280> sell<00:02:43.519> it<00:02:43.680> and<00:02:43.760> they<00:02:43.920> hope<00:02:44.160> that

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then they sell it and they hope that

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then they sell it and they hope that they<00:02:44.400> can<00:02:44.480> buy<00:02:44.720> it<00:02:44.800> back<00:02:45.120> a<00:02:45.200> week<00:02:45.360> down<00:02:45.519> the

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they can buy it back a week down the

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they can buy it back a week down the line<00:02:45.760> two<00:02:45.920> weeks<00:02:46.080> down<00:02:46.239> the<00:02:46.319> line

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line two weeks down the line

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at a cheaper price and make money on it

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at a cheaper price and make money on it falling<00:02:49.360> um<00:02:49.840> so

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falling um so

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i think basically what caused this um

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i think basically what caused this um what<00:02:53.519> caused<00:02:53.760> these

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what caused these

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what caused these redditors<00:02:54.640> these<00:02:54.800> people<00:02:55.040> on<00:02:55.120> the<00:02:55.200> internet

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redditors these people on the internet

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redditors these people on the internet to<00:02:55.599> choose<00:02:56.000> gamestop<00:02:56.959> is<00:02:57.120> they<00:02:57.280> saw<00:02:57.519> that

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to choose gamestop is they saw that

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to choose gamestop is they saw that certain<00:02:58.319> hedge<00:02:58.560> funds<00:02:58.800> had<00:02:58.959> put<00:02:59.280> massive

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certain hedge funds had put massive

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certain hedge funds had put massive short<00:03:00.000> positions<00:03:00.720> on<00:03:00.879> gamestop<00:03:01.440> because

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short positions on gamestop because

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short positions on gamestop because because<00:03:02.239> actually<00:03:02.480> they<00:03:02.560> thought<00:03:02.720> it<00:03:02.800> was<00:03:02.959> a

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because actually they thought it was a

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because actually they thought it was a weak<00:03:03.440> company<00:03:04.159> and<00:03:04.319> they<00:03:04.400> thought<00:03:04.560> well<00:03:04.720> if

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weak company and they thought well if

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weak company and they thought well if rightly<00:03:05.280> so

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rightly so

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right i mean they've done the analytics

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right i mean they've done the analytics they<00:03:08.319> could<00:03:08.480> see<00:03:08.800> that<00:03:08.959> it<00:03:09.120> had<00:03:09.200> been<00:03:09.440> falling

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they could see that it had been falling

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they could see that it had been falling and<00:03:10.000> falling<00:03:10.400> and<00:03:10.480> falling<00:03:10.800> it<00:03:10.959> was<00:03:11.120> a

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and falling and falling it was a

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and falling and falling it was a retailer

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retailer

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it had it wasn't an online company it

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it had it wasn't an online company it was<00:03:14.000> a<00:03:14.080> retailer<00:03:14.640> so

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was a retailer so

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was a retailer so obviously<00:03:15.519> malls<00:03:15.840> are<00:03:15.920> closed<00:03:16.319> et<00:03:16.400> cetera

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obviously malls are closed et cetera

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obviously malls are closed et cetera captioning<00:03:16.879> not

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so they were short available it um but

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so they were short available it um but these<00:03:33.360> guys<00:03:33.599> are<00:03:33.680> ready<00:03:33.920> and<00:03:34.080> you<00:03:34.159> know<00:03:34.319> i

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these guys are ready and you know i

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these guys are ready and you know i would<00:03:34.480> love<00:03:34.640> to<00:03:34.799> know<00:03:35.040> who<00:03:35.280> initiated<00:03:36.000> it<00:03:36.159> um

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would love to know who initiated it um

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would love to know who initiated it um they<00:03:36.640> looked<00:03:36.799> at<00:03:36.879> it<00:03:36.959> and<00:03:37.040> said<00:03:37.200> well<00:03:37.440> these

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they looked at it and said well these

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they looked at it and said well these guys<00:03:37.760> have<00:03:37.920> actually<00:03:38.080> got<00:03:38.239> really<00:03:38.480> big<00:03:38.720> short

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guys have actually got really big short

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guys have actually got really big short positions

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if we buy all the stock then these guys

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if we buy all the stock then these guys who<00:03:42.560> need<00:03:42.720> to<00:03:42.879> borrow<00:03:43.120> the<00:03:43.280> stock

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who need to borrow the stock

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in order to short sell it they won't be

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able to short sell anymore and then

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able to short sell anymore and then we<00:03:47.120> can<00:03:47.280> push<00:03:47.440> the<00:03:47.599> price<00:03:47.920> up<00:03:48.239> and<00:03:48.319> then<00:03:48.560> those

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we can push the price up and then those

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we can push the price up and then those people<00:03:49.040> who've<00:03:49.120> gotten<00:03:49.360> the<00:03:49.440> price<00:03:49.680> going

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people who've gotten the price going

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people who've gotten the price going down

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they will then have to buy at the higher

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they will then have to buy at the higher prices<00:03:52.400> because<00:03:52.720> they<00:03:53.040> they<00:03:53.280> can't<00:03:53.519> keep<00:03:53.760> a

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prices because they they can't keep a

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prices because they they can't keep a short<00:03:54.080> if<00:03:54.159> you<00:03:54.239> can't<00:03:54.400> borrow<00:03:54.640> the<00:03:54.720> stock<00:03:54.959> you

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short if you can't borrow the stock you

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short if you can't borrow the stock you can't<00:03:55.200> keep<00:03:55.439> it<00:03:55.519> sure

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can't keep it sure

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so this is what is known in financial

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so this is what is known in financial lingo<00:03:58.239> as<00:03:58.400> a<00:03:58.480> classic<00:03:58.879> short<00:03:59.200> squeeze<00:03:59.680> and<00:03:59.840> um

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lingo as a classic short squeeze and um

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lingo as a classic short squeeze and um it's<00:04:00.560> happened<00:04:00.799> many<00:04:01.040> times<00:04:01.280> in<00:04:01.360> history

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it's happened many times in history

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it's happened many times in history there's<00:04:01.760> a<00:04:01.840> big<00:04:01.920> short<00:04:02.080> squeeze<00:04:02.480> in<00:04:02.560> gold<00:04:02.879> in

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there's a big short squeeze in gold in

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the 80s where people just try and

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the 80s where people just try and buy<00:04:04.959> up<00:04:05.120> to<00:04:05.280> force<00:04:05.840> short<00:04:06.159> sellers<00:04:06.720> to<00:04:06.879> close

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buy up to force short sellers to close

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phenomenally it has worked and you know

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phenomenally it has worked and you know there's<00:04:12.400> one<00:04:12.640> guy<00:04:12.879> on<00:04:12.959> the

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there's one guy on the

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there's one guy on the i<00:04:13.519> actually<00:04:13.760> look<00:04:13.840> at<00:04:13.920> this<00:04:14.159> reddit<00:04:14.480> messaging

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i actually look at this reddit messaging

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board it's called wall street bets

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board it's called wall street bets there's<00:04:15.760> one<00:04:15.920> guy<00:04:16.000> and<00:04:16.160> he<00:04:16.320> claims<00:04:16.560> to<00:04:16.639> have

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there's one guy and he claims to have

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there's one guy and he claims to have turned

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50 000 into 47 million dollars which is

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50 000 into 47 million dollars which is um

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quite phenomenal to be honest and uh

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quite phenomenal to be honest and uh certain<00:04:24.479> hedge<00:04:24.720> funds<00:04:24.960> are<00:04:25.040> not<00:04:25.199> happy<00:04:25.360> so

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certain hedge funds are not happy so

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certain hedge funds are not happy so hedge<00:04:25.680> funds<00:04:26.080> have<00:04:26.160> lost<00:04:26.400> money<00:04:26.639> but<00:04:26.880> um

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hedge funds have lost money but um

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hedge funds have lost money but um it<00:04:27.840> really<00:04:28.160> is<00:04:28.479> a<00:04:28.560> phenomenal<00:04:29.120> story<00:04:29.680> um

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it really is a phenomenal story um

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it really is a phenomenal story um um<00:04:31.040> so<00:04:32.080> gary<00:04:33.120> is<00:04:33.360> this<00:04:33.520> a<00:04:33.600> case<00:04:33.840> of<00:04:33.919> who<00:04:34.160> blinks

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um so gary is this a case of who blinks

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um so gary is this a case of who blinks first

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or essentially the small investors have

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or essentially the small investors have won<00:04:38.000> this<00:04:38.240> round

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won this round

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uh i think they might have won the

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uh i think they might have won the battle<00:04:41.840> but<00:04:42.160> the<00:04:42.320> war<00:04:42.560> continues

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battle but the war continues

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battle but the war continues my<00:04:43.520> concern<00:04:44.000> is<00:04:44.160> really<00:04:44.400> you<00:04:44.560> know<00:04:45.040> what's

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my concern is really you know what's

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my concern is really you know what's happened<00:04:45.600> over<00:04:45.759> the<00:04:45.840> last<00:04:46.080> couple<00:04:46.240> of<00:04:46.400> years

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happened over the last couple of years

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happened over the last couple of years and<00:04:46.960> you<00:04:47.040> know<00:04:47.199> i<00:04:47.280> get<00:04:47.440> messages<00:04:47.840> from<00:04:47.919> a<00:04:48.000> lot

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and you know i get messages from a lot

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and you know i get messages from a lot of<00:04:48.160> people<00:04:48.479> um<00:04:49.040> telling<00:04:49.280> me<00:04:49.440> you<00:04:49.520> know<00:04:49.759> how<00:04:50.000> can

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of people um telling me you know how can

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of people um telling me you know how can i<00:04:50.320> make<00:04:50.479> money<00:04:50.639> on<00:04:50.720> the<00:04:50.800> internet<00:04:51.199> how<00:04:51.360> can<00:04:51.440> i

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i make money on the internet how can i

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i make money on the internet how can i make<00:04:51.680> money<00:04:52.000> and

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make money and

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make money and when<00:04:52.720> i<00:04:52.800> talk<00:04:52.960> to<00:04:53.040> these<00:04:53.120> people<00:04:53.520> often<00:04:53.759> what

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when i talk to these people often what

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when i talk to these people often what you<00:04:54.000> find<00:04:54.320> is<00:04:54.479> um<00:04:55.040> they're<00:04:55.280> worried<00:04:55.680> that

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you find is um they're worried that

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you find is um they're worried that just<00:04:57.040> just<00:04:57.280> working<00:04:57.680> a<00:04:57.759> job<00:04:58.080> is<00:04:58.160> not<00:04:58.320> going<00:04:58.400> to

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just just working a job is not going to

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just just working a job is not going to get<00:04:58.639> them<00:04:58.720> financial<00:04:59.120> security<00:04:59.520> you<00:04:59.600> know

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get them financial security you know

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get them financial security you know we've<00:04:59.919> reached<00:05:00.160> a<00:05:00.240> situation<00:05:00.639> where<00:05:01.039> work

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we've reached a situation where work

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we've reached a situation where work doesn't<00:05:01.759> work

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doesn't work

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you know my background is i come from

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you know my background is i come from quite<00:05:03.840> a<00:05:03.919> poor<00:05:04.080> background<00:05:04.479> but<00:05:04.720> i<00:05:04.880> made<00:05:05.039> a<00:05:05.120> lot

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quite a poor background but i made a lot

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quite a poor background but i made a lot of<00:05:05.280> money<00:05:05.440> in<00:05:05.520> the<00:05:05.600> city<00:05:05.919> essentially

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of money in the city essentially

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of money in the city essentially gambling<00:05:07.280> you<00:05:07.360> know<00:05:07.919> and<00:05:08.080> we've<00:05:08.320> reached<00:05:08.560> a

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gambling you know and we've reached a

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gambling you know and we've reached a situation<00:05:09.120> now<00:05:09.280> where

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situation now where

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situation now where gambling<00:05:10.639> on<00:05:10.720> the<00:05:10.800> stock<00:05:11.039> markets<00:05:12.080> can<00:05:12.240> get

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gambling on the stock markets can get

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you money that just working an ordinary

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you money that just working an ordinary job

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can't get you so there's a lot of people

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can't get you so there's a lot of people out<00:05:17.520> there<00:05:17.680> trying<00:05:18.000> to<00:05:18.080> make<00:05:18.240> money<00:05:18.479> on<00:05:18.639> this

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out there trying to make money on this

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um but my concern is

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at some point this game stop it it will

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at some point this game stop it it will fall<00:05:24.639> because<00:05:24.800> it's<00:05:25.120> massively<00:05:25.440> overvalued

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fall because it's massively overvalued

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now all short squeezes end

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my concern is that people who are

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the economic system is not working for

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them work isn't working for them

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they're going to be dragged into this

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and they are going to quite possibly be

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the ones holding this stock at the time

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the ones holding this stock at the time it<00:05:38.800> collapses<00:05:39.280> which<00:05:39.440> inevitably<00:05:40.080> it<00:05:40.160> will

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it collapses which inevitably it will

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it collapses which inevitably it will collapse<00:05:40.720> so

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collapse so

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some people have made huge amounts of

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money on this some people have lost huge

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money on this some people have lost huge amounts<00:05:45.039> of<00:05:45.120> money<00:05:45.360> on<00:05:45.440> this

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amounts of money on this

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but there will be more losses to come

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but there will be more losses to come when<00:05:48.080> the<00:05:48.240> people<00:05:48.400> who<00:05:48.479> are<00:05:48.560> holding<00:05:48.880> it

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when the people who are holding it

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for you know this is my worry that

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for you know this is my worry that extends<00:05:50.960> to<00:05:51.199> other<00:05:51.440> things<00:05:51.840> such<00:05:52.080> as<00:05:52.240> bitcoin

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extends to other things such as bitcoin

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extends to other things such as bitcoin such<00:05:52.880> as<00:05:52.960> tesla

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such as tesla

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mad online crazes as it were where

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mad online crazes as it were where ordinary

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ordinary investors ordinary people are

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buying these things because they see

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buying these things because they see this<00:06:01.520> online<00:06:01.840> hype

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this online hype

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this online hype they're<00:06:02.560> getting<00:06:02.800> pumped<00:06:03.120> up<00:06:03.199> by<00:06:03.440> just<00:06:03.680> pure

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they're getting pumped up by just pure

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they're getting pumped up by just pure mania<00:06:04.639> and<00:06:04.800> when<00:06:04.960> they<00:06:05.120> collapse

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mania and when they collapse

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mania and when they collapse my<00:06:05.840> worry<00:06:06.160> is<00:06:06.479> who<00:06:06.720> is<00:06:06.800> going<00:06:06.880> to<00:06:06.960> be<00:06:07.120> left

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my worry is who is going to be left

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my worry is who is going to be left holding<00:06:07.759> the<00:06:07.840> baby<00:06:08.080> when<00:06:08.240> these<00:06:08.319> things<00:06:08.560> fall

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holding the baby when these things fall

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holding the baby when these things fall gary<00:06:09.440> stevenson<00:06:10.000> thank<00:06:10.240> you<00:06:10.400> as<00:06:10.479> well<00:06:10.720> great

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gary stevenson thank you as well great

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gary stevenson thank you as well great to<00:06:10.960> speak<00:06:11.199> to<00:06:11.280> you<00:06:11.360> both<00:06:11.600> about<00:06:11.759> this

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to speak to you both about this

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to speak to you both about this fascinating<00:06:12.639> story

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fascinating story

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