former city trader now inequality
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economist on the show to explain it all
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gary thank you so much for joining us
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hi michael thanks for having me um so uh
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to start now you know you're talking to
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someone with not a great deal of
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knowledge about the stock market and so
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what i know about you know hedge funds
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win sometimes they lose
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here so what's what's special about
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news the scale of what's happened
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you know it increases 17 times
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wall street hedge fund
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um i think we need to put this in a
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happening over the last year right
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obviously the us is in the middle of
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corona it's like us there's millions of
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people sitting at home they can't work
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they're not able to get an income and in
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ordinary people are sitting home trying
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and they're just seeing the wealthiest
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absolutely making tons and this is on
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top of 12 years since 2008 when the
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ordinary people starting to realize that
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you know we have a stock market that it
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so they want to get involved
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i think really this is the culmination
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out when those only people aren't
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together on reddit and starting to
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well they want their share of the pie
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basically they see it keep going just
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that's what we're going to discuss
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next you know the extent to which this
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get-rich-quick plan by some
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people on reddit um to before we do that
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news channel in the united
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states so the first clip i'm going to
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and ceo of a cryptocurrency platform and
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on cnbc these people are just
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um they view the the system as being
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really validated that and made it very
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um you have if i personally invested my
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no one on wall street would you know
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would care at all if a hedge fund loses
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market's supposed to be standing for
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people in this subreddit
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who are calling to take down the hedge
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could hurt everyday people
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this subreddit is pretty
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uh crude i guess you could say and a lot
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culture of the subreddit
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this necessarily for the money
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know getting lats holding the bag
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but uh for the most part these people
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are just wanting to make a statement and
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quite quite frankly um kind of
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consequences now someone from the ruling
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class who was getting pretty upset about
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it is a wall street trader leon
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speaking um this again is on cnbc
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the reason the market is doing what he's
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getting the checks from the government
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you know i think it's inappropriate we
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concept that was about tax
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um i think but he basically has the
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um and then the plebs are investing on
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um gary i want to bring you in i mean
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we've they've brought up class war there
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uh i wish i wish
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fascinating isn't it that sort of
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people out there trying to make money in
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for me idea but they're coming together
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on this message board to try and do it
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i want to make money for me and we need
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to do it together i think this is
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in a sense it was kind of inevitable
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you know people are told that you live
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in a meritocracy you have to do what you
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but increasingly that doesn't work and
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then at the same time you see people
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you know i i come from a poor background
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i made my money in the sea basically
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who come from ordinary backgrounds
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just by working an ordinary job but
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that guy's made money in the stock
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this inevitable conclusion where
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they've tried to get together and
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they've tried to rebalance it you know
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on an internet messaging board but um
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to be honest i don't think this is gonna
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look fantastic for the people who made
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money on this but my concern really is
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people are gonna maybe watch this or
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it's been all over the news the last
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couple of days they're gonna see it now
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they're gonna think well this is my
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chance they're going to jump in and um
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you know at some point this stock is
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going to fall and i'm a bit i just want
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to tell the people that are listening
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don't take any mad risks and run into
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money to be made basically and
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from people at home trading the stock
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markets in their underpants but i think
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it's not going to go like that
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i'm not sure anyone watches tiscue south
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for financial advice so you probably you
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about that but
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but i do want to focus on that question
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presumably at this point gamestop is
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overvalued so it's worth a hell of a lot
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you've got a bubble you normally expect
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that share price is going to collapse
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that point in time
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inevitable now we're just going to
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inevitably see lots of reddit users or
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you know because of the publicity
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publicity around this lose a bunch of
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money or is there a different possible
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bubble right because normally when you
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have a bubble there's some people out
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it's different this is real fundamental
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they're still doing it and
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you know i use this message board wall
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for a year if you get some free time
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have a look it's a fascinating place
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um i was on it this morning people are
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totally understand this feeling that
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these guys are more streets of making
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billions elon musk is making billions
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um but to be honest i cannot see this
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holding it that will lose
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money when it happens i would be very
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very very surprised and to be honest
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i think it's important to understand
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this is not coming out of nowhere right
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investors they printed all of that money
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and they pulled it into the system
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so what you have here is a government
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that thinks we can deal with the crisis
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by printing money and giving it to the
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money ended up with the rich
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has inequality at its core
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and my big concern is that contagious
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rise in uk property now
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if we start seeing this bubble move into
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i think we should definitely let's park
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the uk property question for a moment
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you know especially particularly on that
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significance for a lot of people
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to the role of robin
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hood and because robin hood is the the
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shares without any commissions so this
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is the kind of app which has
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this was sort of market manipulation
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she tweeted this is unacceptable we now
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while hedge funds are freely able to
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trade the stock as they see fit
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committee i'd support a hearing
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if necessary you also got someone from
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tweeting in agreement so he quote
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because of volatile trading meaning that
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they had a bit of a cash flow problem
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hedge funds who were losing money
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with a 10 pound superchat that's kishor
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um they say gary what do you think of
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citadel's role in robin hood in all of
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that there could be connections between
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on gamestop shares because they'd short
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sold it and they think that maybe there
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know gary what
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trading i mean it's such a story isn't
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it who would have thought finally the
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agree on um listen
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i would have loved to have been a fly on
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happening people are saying that
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they don't want wall street to get hurt
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protect investors or we have legitimate
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financial reasons why we can't do it
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um listen i guarantee you there'll be
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uh random guys trading on um reddit
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wall street bankers and politicians and
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the guys who own robin hood um
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get her request for more information
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because um the people on reddit are
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they've got a massive position and
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i'd be furious too but um
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i don't know the truth
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i want to talk now a bit more about
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individual people in their bedrooms
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um trading on the stock market but
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of adds an element of unpredictability
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shopped out in their in their childhood
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particularly meaningful to me
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um in the united states that's doing
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and one analysis is that this is sort of
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i want to show you
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capital explaining again to cnbc
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why he thinks that wall street's bet is
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establishment it is also that
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is dismissive of this thing to go into
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three kinds of posts
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trying to think about long-term value
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as good and frankly
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analysts that i work with
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of people who believe
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were in grade school and high school
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realization that instead of having
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idea dinners or you know quiet whispered
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these kids have the courage to do it
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saying all of it is perfect
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by any means but i think it takes
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system to be that transparent
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to talk about things and then for each
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individual to make their own mind up
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so what i found quite interesting there
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was this phrase the faith in the system
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you know because most people are talking
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you've got all of these people
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thatcher kind in a way i mean what do
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than the wall street brokers so it's not
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years because governments and central
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banks have been trying to deal with
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if the economy does well stock markets
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go up if the economy does badly
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the central bank prints loads of money
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and ordinary people do badly and you
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how people can deal with this because
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it really really hurts especially young
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people because they can't save up money
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they can't get a house and um
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as a easier way to access stock markets
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because they want to get a share of the
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are owned by the richest people
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for that reason especially in this last
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year we've seen a massive massive uptick
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in the number of people using online
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trading accounts like ig index in this
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country trading 212 this kind of thing
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and i think it's really important to
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able to participate
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but the truth is if you're super rich
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it's going to be very difficult for you
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go onto these trading platforms they
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sometimes these trading platforms can
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allow you to make very risky bets and
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they're taking and people can lose
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all of the money they put in potentially
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and i think 75 percent of people who use
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a bit of money and i make money when i'm
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puts his life savings in there he's
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probably going to be in that 75 percent
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wealth just by everybody becoming a
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stock market trader because in the end
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the best stock market traders are going
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on the internet you're probably not
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going to quadruple your money in fact
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you are likely to be in that 75
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way the world is
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street the idolization of money and
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will be left with the losses um
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end our coverage of this story
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been a great guest gary stevenson
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maybe wouldn't be a crisis but
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we'll save that conversation yes yes we
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