I think the thing what I believe with the thing  that gives me hope is I honestly believe if  

people understood what was happening here  they would not accept it and we would get  

change if people knew the direction that we as a  society are heading and where we're going to go  

70,80,90% of people would vote  against it and the only reason that  

we are able to make Society worse and  worse and worse and worse and worse  

the way we are doing is because people are  misinformed and not giving good information

for me I just wanted to get you on the  channel basically because I know you've  

been watching it from the start and I know  like your mates watching stuff like this  

and really I just wanted to get somebody in who  watches it to sort of take the place of the people  

who watch it and ask the questions that they might  be wondering things they don't understand things  

they would like to hear more of yeah I mean I  dip in and out to be honest with you I'm not  

up to date fully on the most recent so I guess  it'll be good to know kind of where you're at  

and what today's what you're looking to work on  today yeah yeah so today basically I wanted to  

get seem to come over in the evening so we could  film some stuff that was like a bit more chill  

basically because sin is going away and then I'm  going away so we're not going to be able to shoot  

for the whole of November yeah um and the channels  really growing loads of new people are coming  

um and we've been like really like doing  up to speed stuff on what's Happening  

but we're not gonna have to do that in  the next month so like I wanted to just  

do some stuff that was a bit more educational and  it's a bit more chill to really give the people  

who are watching the understanding basically  that they're going to need going forward because  

I'm not going to be able to give like on the  button analysis of the news every week but this  

is not is there a requirement to do that though  with this whole idea something big happens not  

necessary I know that some people watch this  channel because they want to understand what's  

happening and like when big things happen  like last week so much happened right like  

prime minister resign we had this big budget which  people like for example when the budget came out  

like we arranged the emergency shoot date because  it's like we cannot put out like some sometimes  

you put out videos like boom on the Moment Like  This what's happening now and sometimes it's  

educational videos we had like an educational  video and it was like after something mad like  

that has happened we just have to respond to that  thing that happened you know what I mean like  

yeah it's like it's almost like a responsibility  because some people oh my God crazy storm going on  

some people are relying on us for analysis and  like um but we don't need ultimately this is  

not a news channel you know this is not BBC News  this isn't this is a channel about helping people  

understand the whole big picture situation and  how we can improve that over the long term because  

it has to be over the long term because we are  not going to win this in the short term but we  

can win this in the long term and what is this  what is this that we're winning number one is  

stopping the collapse in people's living standards  that's the number one and in my opinion the only  

way to do that is to stop the massive increase  in inequality um and the way I envisage that

is it is going to come from people  insisting on it people demanding it  

you know because before I did this I did a  lot of different things I went to University  

change is not going to come from there and  I bounced around like think tanks and things  

like that and there's good people in these think  tanks and stuff like that but ultimately these  

think tanks they talk to the politicians and  the politicians say oh we're not going to give  

you a wealth tax because people don't like it  people are not going to vote for it you know  

so you know these Think Tank guys are richer  people the politicians are richer people  

they're in their little space they're not  really getting hurt by it they're not going  

to give you unless you demand it so for me what  I saw was nobody is talking to the people who  

are actually being hurt by this you know what  I mean that was the thing that frustrated me  

the most I think about the way that like the  whole conversation about economics hmm it's  

like Rich professors Rich journalists Rich guys  on the TV rich people writing articles you know  

and yet none of them are really making the  effort to turn around and talk to the people  

that are getting hurt you know I'm very aware that  I am not getting personally hurt you know what I  

mean yeah and but then would you say you're  not getting personally hurt on the basis of  

what you've accumulated for yourself or because  of your lifestyle I mean I mean financially I  

don't because I own assets you know what I  mean and you know I have wealth and I think  

these are the people you know people with work  for people who've been protected you know yeah  

um but like you're not an extra struggling person  on a personal level but I understand like you know  

you and I both know what is happening you know  what I mean there's families that are literally  

worried about feeding their kids here right and  you know you know I don't have to worry about  

their own getting paid I don't have to worry about  the Bills game you know yeah the bills got to 10  

grand and I could still pay them yeah it would be  expensive I could still pay them you know so I'm  

just aware that there's people are being hurt like  viscerally and I'm not getting hit in that way  

um but then it just drives me mad to see all of  these richer people having a discussion about it  

oh we can't do it because people are not going  to vote for it who are you which of you is even  

explaining to the people what's happening you know  what I mean so what what I really wanted like oh  

before I started this YouTube I was writing  articles you know I wrote for the guardian I  

wrote open democracy you know and it got picked up  by these kind of economy people and I don't know  

these are a lot of these people are good people  they want to make positive change happen right  

but I was very aware that you know people that I  grew up with I'm not reading those articles you  

know what I'm eating yeah and I just felt like who  is talking to these people you know I mean like  

if these people are going to get [ __ ]  over at the very least they deserve to  

have explained to them what's happening you  know what I mean but instead you just get  

baffled by the stuff on the TV in the news so  um that's like for me ultimately at his heart  

I think the thing what I believe with the thing  that gives me hope is I honestly believe if  

people understood what was happening here  they would not accept it and we would get  

changed if people knew the direction that we as  a society are heading and where we're going to go  

70 80 90 of people would vote against it  and the only reason that we are able to  

make Society worse and worse and worse and worse  and worse the way we are doing is because people  

are misinformed and not giving good information  if people knew what is happening what was going  

to happen they were not accept it so I feel like  this misinformation sorry yeah is that intentional  

um there's a degree of intentional misinformation  so you know if you look for example at like Rupert  

Murdoch's news Empire like they definitely want  to push don't tax the rich they'll leave they  

definitely want to push that this is because of  immigrants this is because of foreigners you know  

um and that is I think Kim protecting himself  and his class as a billionaire and you know if  

you look at things like the iea which is a big  right-wing think tank that gets funded by rich  

people and they put people on the news you know  like I saw a clip the other day of a lot of like  

American news channels and they were all talking  about how amazing Liz trust's Economic Policy was  

and when I saw that what that said to me was look  how much money is going into convincing you that  

this is good like it's I think it's more obvious  in that American Media where like there's so much  

aggressively right with media you know it's funded  by billionaires but to a later extent it happens  

here you know who owns The Daily Mail billionaire  you know who owns a telegraph millionaire who owns  

a times billionaire you know what I mean all  of these newspapers are owned by billionaires  

you know so you know who owns Skype billionaire so  like and you know I speak to people in journalism  

and they'll they'll tell you of course there's  a degree to which individual journalists get  

freedom but ultimately there is an editorial line  that comes down from the top you know and I think  

if when the money is coming from rich people it  influences the way people say it the way what  

people say so I think there is a degree to which  it is intentional which is rich people pushing the  

narrative but there is also a degree to which it  just comes down to the fact that the media is not  

really designed to inform you it is designed to  entertain you this is something I've spoken about  

some other videos which is like I've worked in  the city you know say what you like about the city  

there are some liquids there and there are some  guys that are not that smart at the end of the day  

these guys are [ __ ] paid to be right and they're  trying to be right you know at least a lot of them  

are you know what I mean and they can't just they  can't just chat [ __ ] and they can't put [ __ ]  

trades on they have to try and be right because  if you look at the media you know I get called  

to go on the news right I know what it's going to  be like it's just blah blah blah blah blah what  

sounds good what looks good no like and I've I've  cut down on doing media because I started coming  

away from them and thinking who was educated  what what did anybody really learn you know I  

can go on LBC and have a fight with Nick Ferrari  you know what I mean but ultimately what do you  

learn as a listener all we do is just we just put  poison into it you know what I mean what I want  

to do is to educate ordinary working people all  the new people in ordinary Financial situations  

that I think that ultimately of course only that  is going to lead us to a positive outcome so when  

we talk about educating and backtracking ever so  slightly towards the start of the conversation  

so a couple things you're saying that you want  people to to demand the change yeah who are they  

demanding it from I know you did talk about the  think tanks and politicians and certain things  

going into place who are they actually demanding  it from how feasible are these demands yeah and  

if they're making these demands yeah then you know  there has to be some give elsewhere whether that  

affects you know the super wealthy or whatnot  whether they they notice that that difference  

like it's obviously going to have to give  somewhere else and will it effectively mean  

that it could affect you know other services  that are available would they kind of take from  

them like they have been or or they currently  do I don't think they're going to turn around  

and take for you because you made demands um I  think you know we do still live in a democracy  

right and I think what you see I think brexit  is a good example right when brexit came around  

when they're when the referendum came around  both the two major parties you know we live in  

a two-part system we're very anti-brexit and they  push they lost the referendum and they were still  

anti-brexit but eventually people demand enough  people demanded it and enough people ultimately  

said we're only going to vote based on brexit  that both parties essentially had to come around  

um I think that tax in the rich will be a harder  fight than brexit because I think a lot of rich  

people don't really care that much about brexit  because they didn't really hit them um whereas  

tax in the rich they'll be bigger pushback um but  I think voting is important you know what I mean  

and I know a lot of people don't like to hear that  but it is important and it's it's not even about  

I spoke about this bit in the last video it's not  even about conservatives or labor it's about being  

it's a you know these guys are always doing  polling they're always asking people what do  

you want what do you want what do you want I want  these guys to do a poll group and have everybody  

say to them I don't give a [ __ ] unless you fix  what's inequality I want this to be the message  

coming out the polling groups and that comes I  think actually people have a lot more power than  

they actually think and not as individuals but  as the the conversation that we have as a group  

you know if everybody turns around and says  [ __ ] these guys we want brexit then they'll  

get it and if everybody turns around and says  listen these guys are just a bunch of crooks  

they're not doing anything unless they fix wealth  inequality with [ __ ] and if that is the message  

coming out from you know I want people phoning  into LBC saying that I tell you this is a good  

story right and I can't mention any names right  but recently I've been getting contacted by a lot  

of politicians right and I was in a room with  politicians okay and a conservative politician  

puts her hand up and says that money that 450  billion pounds given that in covert who's got  

it now well and there was people in that room  looking at turning and looking at me because  

they know I've been pushing that line they are  from day after day after day and it's just a  

realization that she's just met or that person  this politician didn't hear it from me but she  

heard it from someone and ultimately that person  would heard it from someone who would have heard  

it from someone who probably would have heard it  from me and that is because of the conversation  

that we have as a group like this is not I run a  YouTube channel and everybody comes to me this is  

I run a YouTube channel and you start asking  this question to your mates and people start  

calling into LBC and people start posting on their  Twitter people start posting on their Facebook  

like ultimately the conversation that we have as  a society has the power to push these politicians  

you know and if enough if it becomes generally  accepted that listen the only way we're going to  

fix this is wealth inequality the politicians will  have to do it and don't get me wrong it will be  

a fight but the thing is at the moment we are not  there yet but it's like that you know you get the  

message out I tell you you tell your mates you  know your mates come and watch this Channel and  

then they start they people start using their  own media channels you know what I mean it's  

it's an echo chamber and it's like everybody  has a voice and it's like okay not everybody has  

a YouTube channel but you you have your mates at  football your mate to the pub you have your family  

you know what I mean you have the people at work  you can influence this conversation you know what  

I mean and you know I would encourage people put  the phone in to talk radio and LBC and whatever  

whatever the news programs are phone in get it  out put it on your Twitter put it on your Facebook  

tell your mates tell your friends or your family  and then eventually I here get politicians coming  

back to me quoting the lines what I am saying  but they didn't hear it from me it's because  

it's because we are a community and  we are a society and and you know  

you have a power to influence the beliefs  of the people in your life you know what I  

mean yeah and it's you you share it and  I share and then eventually it becomes  

it becomes common sense and the politicians have  to do it you know and but don't get me wrong we  

will get pushback and you know we're not at that  stage here because we're not at that level yet you  

know there are still people who disagree with  these ideas but we need to get it you know not  

just me but you and the people who are watching  you know and I will do as much as I can but it  

will only work you know it's not going to work  because everyone in the country subscribes to my  

YouTube channel you know what I mean it's going  to work because enough people subscribe to my  

YouTube channel and they tell their friends and  then they tell and they tell their friends and  

you know everybody shares the voice you know it's  that's that's how it works you know I did spread  

for a community it's not like it's not one person  it's a it's a is a combination of many one people  

working together you know is is your plants kind  of like address this globally because inequality  

exists everywhere and anywhere I would love  for it to be Global and you know I do as and  

where I can try and build up International links  it's very important for people to realize that  

this problem is not a UK only problem this  is happening everywhere um I'm aware that  

I my voice is much louder in the UK than  it is around the world and also like  

you know people are just more amenable to a  mess like I understand what's happening here  

you know and people hear me and they know this  guy is from here you know what I mean yeah you  

know I get people from all over the country  I think a big thing is like in the UK there's  

not a lot of like regular working-class voices  especially talking about economics on TV on the  

radio so like you don't need to be from London I  get messages from people from Scotland or people  

from the northwest or people from Wales or people  from the Midlands all over saying like you know  

they watch the video in ilford and they're  like I grew up just like you you know what I  

mean so I know that like in the reality like  I have a lot more power to make a voice hit  

and that is what I'm focusing on but you know  when the book comes out it's going to come out  

in America and it's going to kind of come out  all over the world you know what I mean and  

if you look at the like the one big time in  history when we did achieve a big decrease  

in inequality which is after the second world war  it was very much an international thing okay and  

um I think that success will be a lot easier  if we can have people saying that these kind  

of things you know like I say we're a  community in the end of the day you know  

we're not just a national Community these things  are happening everywhere you know and if you have  

if you do have connections in other countries talk  to them and they will tell you you know you know  

there are countries that have a lot worse  inequality than here and there are countries that  

have less than here but inequality is increasing  everywhere and the same problems can't afford  

housing can't get a decent job you know worried  about being able to have a family these things  

happening everywhere so do these things cycle  so does it get worse and then get a little bit  

better and then get worse um yeah they do but you  know if we use like history as a guide you know  

things got really bad before they got better  you know the last you know you know we had the  

first world war and that didn't really fix things  things got worse after that and you know you know  

you don't need me to tell you what happened after  the first world war you know I mean we had whole  

countries brought into fascism we had the Nazis  we had the Holocaust where the Second World War  

and you know only then after that did we get a  reduction in equality and a good sign of living so  

yes things cycle but things cycle because we make  it happen you know I mean it's not like a natural  

thing it's not like the sun goes down the sun  will come up there's some will only come up if  

we make no one is going to turn around and give  us this this increase in living standards and it's  

decreasing inequality that is only going to come  from us fighting for it and us making it happen

yeah but I guess it kind of goes back to  where do you kind of Target your fight  

who who am I to fight like if I haven't  even got enough time or money to get on  

with my day-to-day why am I going to waste  time in this fight that is not necessarily  

gonna happen and then that's me exerting my time  wasting my time wasting my energy trying to fight  

don't get me wrong I fully understand what you're  saying there has to be someone out there to make  

a change it takes people to make this change  yeah but I just feel there's a lot of people  

that will just be like and I'm not talking  for anyone in particular I maybe maybe have  

it in my mindset where I'm kind of like you  know I've just got to do what I've got to  

do you know I I do what I do and then I go to  sleep yeah like anything that can can happen  

within that is a bonus but yeah realistically  how much time and effort can I put into this  

but what do I need to put into this the way I  see it and the way I approach it myself for me  

I see it as I take what I need and I give what  I can and like I'm 100 aware I'm in a situation  

where it is much much easier for me to give a lot  than it is for a lot of people you know I've been  

doing this work unpaid for years of course not  hardly anyone can do that you know what I mean  

yeah um and not only that you know I've got this  background of studying this stuff for years I'm  

not going to expect you to turn around and be an  expert on this stuff and make a website about it  

you know what I mean yeah um and I'm also aware  that there is this problem of first of all like  

this YouTube is open to everyone but really  who is fought in my mind is the people who  

see the economics on the news and think what the  [ __ ] are you talking about I don't understand  

we're talking about and and people who are worried  it's the people who are getting hurt and not being  

spoken to you know because I feel they need to be  a space for just ordinary people you know what I  

mean um and I'm aware that increasingly people in  the average financial situation is increasingly a  

struggle so I'm aware that people I'm speaking  to very often you know don't have a lot to give  

and you know I'm not asking for money I wouldn't  expect money but often they also don't have time  

and energy because they're just struggling to take  up their families in this and I would never turn  

around to anyone I would never turn around to  you and say bro you need to help me with this  

you know what I mean like you're here today you  know because you have a bit of time to come right  

but we're never talking about if you if you say to  me like I can't because I'm working I can't I've  

got to do this for my for my family I would never  say you have to um I would leave you totally like  

in the power and the decision of the people who  watch but I know I know like from the I've seen it  

that the people who have little are  still in many cases willing and they  

want to help you know I went up to Richardson's  constituency in North Yorkshire to a food bank  

um so I feel like to speak to people about like  do you know how rich vicious and the cost of  

living crisis and just coincidentally  it happened to be immediately after  

the invasion of Ukraine so I'm going up this food  bank in North Yorkshire right and it's you know  

oh everyone in there just packing stuff  everyone is in volunteers packing stuff  

and then four guys are gonna drive put it in  lorries they're lorries and drive to Ukraine  

and um I asked the people like who are these  people here and it was the food bank users  

so these are the people that don't even have  enough to eat and yet you see this thing happen  

like a thousand miles away and you are going  to go and do that and I think that is like  

I've seen that in my life like I know that  people don't much but they are willing and  

I wouldn't ask anyone to give more than  they can give yeah it's just like it's  

just like if all you can do is watch the  videos and understand as best you can just  

do that and even if you can't watch  other videos don't do that but like  

just tell your friends to your family look try  to understand what's happening just say listen  

there's a guy I think he knows what he's talking  about he says the only way to fix this is to fix  

wealth inequality you know it seems like he  knows his stuff check him out you know he  

just and then it's what can you and like there  will be things that you can do that I didn't  

even think about people ask me what can I  do what can I do the truth is I do I make  

a YouTube channel I'm talking about economics  because I know economics you know what I mean  

yeah but as an ordinary person you know I'm not  you know I've lived in Japan and I've lived in  

Oxford and I've been all over right I'm not  really as connected to the local community  

but there will be a lot of people who what they  just have is you know there will be guys around  

here watch my videos and then they just got  the Masjid you know what I mean tell the guys  

at mustard you know I mean I don't know those  guys you tell it you know what I mean like it's  

and there'll be people who like you know there'll  be people who are created you know what I mean who  

who know who can make other ways of communicating  these ideas I think what it is about is  

you don't need to do anything you know what I  mean and I would never demand it from anyone but  

look at your situation and say what can I do and  it's if it's just something that's like you know  

you know if everybody tells one other person  then you get everyone that's what it takes  

you know what I mean just try and understand  it and try and communicate these ideas with  

with the people around you and just get  into the conversation it's like that's  

that's who I would ask and you know I get messages  so many messages for people I want to help I want  

to help and I find it difficult because I can't  I would love to reply to all of them yeah like  

just it's enough to just spread the message he  said it's enough to understand it to recognize  

that it is good and that is important and to  spread it like that is ultimately if everybody  

supports it what happened so really all you need  to do is to support it you know and if you can do  

more fantastic but like and if you're in a space  where literally you are struggling to pay the  

bills then do that you know what I mean I wouldn't  ask for anything more it's a question of like  

how much time and energy do you have and I know  because I've seen it that people are struggling  

still want to help I've seen it enough times  yeah definitely oh that sky looks amazing

money currently is Flowing from the  government to the rich leaving the  

government with big powers of debt and the  rich would be part of money there's one other  

thing they can do with that mass amount  of income they can buy your mom's house

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