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it's late night with christo so popular

it's late night with christo so popular on<00:00:02.320> the<00:00:02.399> phones<00:00:02.800> tonight<00:00:03.120> we<00:00:03.280> were

on the phones tonight we were

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running a little bit behind time but we

running a little bit behind time but we were<00:00:06.240> also

were also

were also discussing<00:00:07.279> tonight<00:00:07.919> class<00:00:08.800> there<00:00:08.960> are

discussing tonight class there are

discussing tonight class there are various<00:00:09.519> reasons<00:00:09.920> why<00:00:10.080> we're<00:00:10.240> talking<00:00:10.559> about

various reasons why we're talking about

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class one of them being

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princess anne's living room photo and uh

princess anne's living room photo and uh the<00:00:15.839> documentary<00:00:16.560> that<00:00:16.720> will<00:00:16.800> be<00:00:16.960> on

the documentary that will be on

the documentary that will be on television

television

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and uh it's uh by rapper in scotland

and uh it's uh by rapper in scotland i'll

i'll

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give you more details after the news at

give you more details after the news at midnight<00:00:23.680> so<00:00:23.760> i<00:00:23.840> want<00:00:23.920> to<00:00:24.000> get<00:00:24.160> straight<00:00:24.400> to

midnight so i want to get straight to

midnight so i want to get straight to our<00:00:24.640> guest<00:00:24.960> to<00:00:25.039> discuss<00:00:25.519> this

our guest to discuss this

our guest to discuss this gary<00:00:26.400> stevenson<00:00:27.039> an<00:00:27.199> inequality<00:00:27.760> economist

gary stevenson an inequality economist

gary stevenson an inequality economist former<00:00:28.960> city<00:00:29.279> trader

former city trader

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live via video link evening to you gary

live via video link evening to you gary hi<00:00:33.920> christo<00:00:34.320> nice<00:00:34.480> to<00:00:34.559> meet<00:00:34.719> you<00:00:34.960> and<00:00:35.280> you

hi christo nice to meet you and you

hi christo nice to meet you and you thanks<00:00:35.760> for<00:00:35.840> taking<00:00:36.079> the<00:00:36.160> time<00:00:36.320> to<00:00:36.480> talk<00:00:36.640> to<00:00:36.719> us

thanks for taking the time to talk to us

thanks for taking the time to talk to us tonight<00:00:37.200> here

tonight here

tonight here on<00:00:38.480> talk<00:00:39.040> radio<00:00:39.680> so<00:00:39.920> um

on talk radio so um

on talk radio so um an<00:00:41.520> inequality<00:00:42.079> economy<00:00:42.559> so<00:00:42.719> obviously<00:00:43.200> you

an inequality economy so obviously you

an inequality economy so obviously you know<00:00:43.440> that's<00:00:43.760> looking<00:00:44.079> at<00:00:44.239> the

know that's looking at the

know that's looking at the the<00:00:45.200> economic<00:00:46.000> side<00:00:46.399> of<00:00:46.800> inequality<00:00:47.600> but<00:00:47.760> does

the economic side of inequality but does

the economic side of inequality but does that<00:00:48.239> mean<00:00:48.640> that

that mean that

that mean that that<00:00:50.000> is<00:00:50.079> an<00:00:50.239> inequality<00:00:50.800> that<00:00:51.039> is<00:00:51.199> driven<00:00:51.600> by

that is an inequality that is driven by

that is an inequality that is driven by class<00:00:52.719> does<00:00:52.960> class

class does class

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still truly exist in great britain in

still truly exist in great britain in the<00:00:56.239> year<00:00:56.840> 2021

the year 2021

the year 2021 personally<00:00:59.280> for<00:00:59.440> me<00:00:59.840> i<00:00:59.920> mean<00:01:00.239> the<00:01:00.399> experiences

personally for me i mean the experiences

personally for me i mean the experiences of<00:01:01.039> my<00:01:01.199> life<00:01:01.600> a<00:01:01.680> little<00:01:01.840> bit<00:01:02.000> about<00:01:02.160> me<00:01:02.320> i<00:01:02.480> come

of my life a little bit about me i come

of my life a little bit about me i come from

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a place called ilford in east london and

a place called ilford in east london and um<00:01:05.040> i<00:01:05.119> grew<00:01:05.280> up<00:01:05.439> from<00:01:05.840> quite<00:01:06.080> a<00:01:06.159> poor

um i grew up from quite a poor

um i grew up from quite a poor background

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studied hard in school i was able to go

studied hard in school i was able to go to<00:01:09.760> london<00:01:10.000> school<00:01:10.159> of<00:01:10.240> economics<00:01:10.640> and<00:01:10.799> oxford

to london school of economics and oxford

to london school of economics and oxford university<00:01:11.520> and<00:01:11.680> eventually

university and eventually

university and eventually get<00:01:12.640> a<00:01:12.720> job<00:01:12.960> in<00:01:13.119> the<00:01:13.200> city<00:01:14.159> um

get a job in the city um

get a job in the city um for<00:01:15.680> me<00:01:16.479> class<00:01:16.799> was<00:01:17.040> a<00:01:17.119> massive<00:01:17.600> massive<00:01:17.920> thing

for me class was a massive massive thing

for me class was a massive massive thing i<00:01:18.240> mean<00:01:18.400> for<00:01:18.560> me<00:01:18.720> a<00:01:18.799> big<00:01:18.960> thing<00:01:19.119> which<00:01:19.360> i

i mean for me a big thing which i

i mean for me a big thing which i realized<00:01:20.000> these<00:01:20.159> spaces<00:01:20.560> i<00:01:20.640> went<00:01:20.880> into

realized these spaces i went into

realized these spaces i went into these<00:01:21.680> universities<00:01:22.320> these<00:01:22.640> jobs<00:01:23.759> there<00:01:23.920> was

these universities these jobs there was

these universities these jobs there was a<00:01:24.159> real<00:01:24.400> sense<00:01:24.640> for<00:01:24.799> me<00:01:24.960> that

a real sense for me that

a real sense for me that there<00:01:25.840> wasn't<00:01:26.720> basically<00:01:27.119> anybody<00:01:27.439> there

there wasn't basically anybody there

there wasn't basically anybody there from<00:01:27.759> my<00:01:28.000> sort<00:01:28.159> of<00:01:28.240> background

from my sort of background

from my sort of background and<00:01:29.520> i<00:01:29.600> think<00:01:30.159> a<00:01:30.320> big<00:01:30.560> thing<00:01:30.880> really<00:01:31.360> is<00:01:31.600> um

and i think a big thing really is um

and i think a big thing really is um it's<00:01:32.880> that<00:01:33.119> experience<00:01:33.600> of<00:01:33.680> have<00:01:33.840> you<00:01:33.920> ever

it's that experience of have you ever

it's that experience of have you ever woken<00:01:34.479> up<00:01:34.640> and<00:01:34.720> looked<00:01:34.880> in<00:01:34.960> the<00:01:35.040> mirror<00:01:35.439> and

woken up and looked in the mirror and

woken up and looked in the mirror and thought

thought

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if i don't make this i don't know if i'm

if i don't make this i don't know if i'm ever<00:01:40.079> going<00:01:40.159> to<00:01:40.320> be<00:01:40.400> secure

ever going to be secure

ever going to be secure i'm<00:01:41.040> never<00:01:41.200> going<00:01:41.280> to<00:01:41.360> be<00:01:41.439> able<00:01:41.600> to<00:01:41.680> buy<00:01:41.840> a

i'm never going to be able to buy a

i'm never going to be able to buy a house<00:01:42.240> i'm<00:01:42.399> never<00:01:42.560> going<00:01:42.640> to<00:01:42.720> be<00:01:42.799> able<00:01:42.880> to<00:01:42.960> have

house i'm never going to be able to have

house i'm never going to be able to have a<00:01:43.200> family

a family

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you know people from where i'm from me

you know people from where i'm from me and<00:01:46.000> my<00:01:46.159> parents<00:01:46.479> we've<00:01:46.720> we've<00:01:46.880> had<00:01:47.040> that

and my parents we've we've had that

and my parents we've we've had that experience

experience

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i'm sure a lot of listeners will have

i'm sure a lot of listeners will have had<00:01:49.119> that<00:01:49.200> experience<00:01:49.600> as<00:01:49.680> well

had that experience as well

had that experience as well but<00:01:51.200> in<00:01:51.360> these<00:01:51.520> spaces<00:01:52.159> you<00:01:52.240> know<00:01:52.399> oxford

but in these spaces you know oxford

but in these spaces you know oxford university<00:01:53.119> a<00:01:53.200> lot<00:01:53.280> of<00:01:53.360> these<00:01:53.520> jobs<00:01:53.759> in<00:01:53.840> the

university a lot of these jobs in the

university a lot of these jobs in the city

city

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if these guys mess up if they make a

if these guys mess up if they make a mistake<00:01:56.240> if<00:01:56.399> they<00:01:56.479> lose<00:01:56.719> their<00:01:56.880> job

mistake if they lose their job

mistake if they lose their job when<00:01:57.840> they<00:01:58.000> need<00:01:58.159> that<00:01:58.320> 70<00:01:58.640> grand<00:01:58.880> 100<00:01:59.200> grand

when they need that 70 grand 100 grand

when they need that 70 grand 100 grand deposit<00:01:59.680> to<00:01:59.759> buy<00:01:59.920> a<00:02:00.000> house<00:02:00.640> they<00:02:00.799> can<00:02:00.880> go<00:02:01.040> to

deposit to buy a house they can go to

deposit to buy a house they can go to their<00:02:01.200> parents<00:02:01.520> and<00:02:01.600> get<00:02:01.840> you<00:02:01.920> know<00:02:02.079> so

their parents and get you know so

their parents and get you know so they've<00:02:02.799> never<00:02:03.040> had<00:02:03.200> that<00:02:03.439> experience<00:02:04.079> of<00:02:04.880> am

they've never had that experience of am

they've never had that experience of am i<00:02:05.200> going<00:02:05.280> to<00:02:05.360> be<00:02:05.520> safe<00:02:05.759> is<00:02:05.920> my<00:02:06.079> family<00:02:06.399> going<00:02:06.479> to

i going to be safe is my family going to

i going to be safe is my family going to be<00:02:06.719> safe<00:02:06.960> you<00:02:07.040> know<00:02:07.200> and<00:02:07.520> right<00:02:07.680> now<00:02:07.840> i'm<00:02:08.000> sure

be safe you know and right now i'm sure

be safe you know and right now i'm sure a<00:02:08.239> lot<00:02:08.319> of<00:02:08.479> listeners

a lot of listeners

a lot of listeners will<00:02:09.360> be<00:02:09.520> feeling<00:02:09.759> that<00:02:09.840> every<00:02:10.080> day

will be feeling that every day

will be feeling that every day absolutely<00:02:12.080> exactly<00:02:12.480> yeah<00:02:12.720> and

absolutely exactly yeah and

absolutely exactly yeah and and<00:02:14.480> there's<00:02:15.040> there's<00:02:15.280> so<00:02:15.440> much<00:02:15.599> i<00:02:15.680> want<00:02:15.760> to

and there's there's so much i want to

and there's there's so much i want to talk<00:02:16.000> to<00:02:16.160> you<00:02:16.239> about<00:02:16.400> this<00:02:16.720> and

talk to you about this and

talk to you about this and because<00:02:18.400> there<00:02:18.720> is<00:02:19.360> there<00:02:19.520> was<00:02:19.599> a<00:02:19.680> really

because there is there was a really

because there is there was a really interesting<00:02:20.400> report<00:02:20.879> um

interesting report um

interesting report um a<00:02:21.360> couple<00:02:21.520> of<00:02:21.599> months<00:02:21.920> ago<00:02:22.160> and<00:02:22.480> it<00:02:22.720> kind<00:02:22.879> of

a couple of months ago and it kind of

a couple of months ago and it kind of boomerangs<00:02:23.520> it<00:02:23.599> comes<00:02:23.840> back<00:02:24.160> now<00:02:24.400> and<00:02:24.560> then

boomerangs it comes back now and then

boomerangs it comes back now and then and<00:02:26.000> you'll<00:02:26.319> be<00:02:26.480> very<00:02:26.720> familiar<00:02:27.200> with<00:02:27.280> this

and you'll be very familiar with this

and you'll be very familiar with this about<00:02:27.840> the

about the

about the issues<00:02:28.959> facing<00:02:29.680> working<00:02:30.080> class<00:02:30.400> white<00:02:30.640> boys

issues facing working class white boys

issues facing working class white boys and<00:02:31.760> the<00:02:31.920> fact<00:02:32.239> that<00:02:32.640> they<00:02:32.879> are<00:02:33.120> now<00:02:34.000> um<00:02:34.319> a

and the fact that they are now um a

and the fact that they are now um a demographic<00:02:35.120> especially<00:02:35.599> in<00:02:35.760> schools<00:02:36.319> and

demographic especially in schools and

demographic especially in schools and especially<00:02:36.879> when<00:02:37.040> it<00:02:37.120> comes<00:02:37.440> to

especially when it comes to

especially when it comes to um<00:02:38.560> getting<00:02:38.959> further<00:02:39.360> in<00:02:39.599> life<00:02:40.480> that

um getting further in life that

um getting further in life that appear<00:02:41.519> to<00:02:41.680> be<00:02:41.920> not<00:02:42.160> doing<00:02:42.400> so<00:02:42.640> well<00:02:42.959> they

appear to be not doing so well they

appear to be not doing so well they appear<00:02:43.440> to<00:02:43.599> be<00:02:44.000> you<00:02:44.080> know<00:02:44.239> falling<00:02:44.720> behind

appear to be you know falling behind

appear to be you know falling behind do<00:02:46.000> you<00:02:46.239> think<00:02:46.480> with<00:02:46.800> really<00:02:47.200> good<00:02:47.440> intentions

do you think with really good intentions

do you think with really good intentions and<00:02:48.400> i<00:02:48.640> don't<00:02:48.879> say<00:02:49.040> this<00:02:49.280> in

and i don't say this in

and i don't say this in trying<00:02:49.840> to<00:02:49.920> be<00:02:50.239> overtly<00:02:50.800> controversial<00:02:52.000> but

trying to be overtly controversial but

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do you think with really good intentions

do you think with really good intentions we've<00:02:55.519> concentrated<00:02:56.879> so<00:02:57.120> much<00:02:57.360> on

we've concentrated so much on

we've concentrated so much on on<00:02:58.239> racial<00:02:58.640> inequality<00:02:59.440> for<00:02:59.599> good<00:02:59.760> reasons<00:03:00.480> in

on racial inequality for good reasons in

on racial inequality for good reasons in this<00:03:00.800> country

this country

this country and<00:03:01.599> we've<00:03:01.840> perhaps<00:03:02.239> forgotten<00:03:03.440> that<00:03:03.680> there

and we've perhaps forgotten that there

and we've perhaps forgotten that there is<00:03:04.080> still

is still

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actually a real class inequality in this

actually a real class inequality in this country

country

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that actually goes far broader than race

that actually goes far broader than race you<00:03:11.840> could<00:03:12.000> be<00:03:12.159> of

you could be of

you could be of of<00:03:13.200> a<00:03:13.280> working<00:03:13.680> class<00:03:14.319> background<00:03:15.599> whatever

of a working class background whatever

of a working class background whatever race<00:03:16.640> you<00:03:16.800> might<00:03:16.959> be<00:03:18.480> i<00:03:18.560> mean<00:03:18.720> i'd<00:03:18.879> say

race you might be i mean i'd say

race you might be i mean i'd say obviously<00:03:19.599> you<00:03:19.760> know

obviously you know

obviously you know people<00:03:20.720> who<00:03:20.879> see<00:03:21.040> me<00:03:21.280> can<00:03:21.440> tell<00:03:21.680> that's<00:03:21.840> the

people who see me can tell that's the

people who see me can tell that's the background<00:03:22.319> i'm<00:03:22.400> from<00:03:22.640> from<00:03:22.800> a<00:03:22.800> working<00:03:23.120> class

background i'm from from a working class

background i'm from from a working class white<00:03:23.519> background

white background

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i mean the thing i see basically is you

i mean the thing i see basically is you know<00:03:27.360> in<00:03:27.519> the<00:03:27.599> path<00:03:27.840> i've<00:03:28.000> traveled<00:03:28.319> in<00:03:28.400> my

know in the path i've traveled in my

know in the path i've traveled in my life<00:03:28.799> you<00:03:28.879> know

life you know

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i went to school out in east london you

i went to school out in east london you know<00:03:31.120> with<00:03:31.360> people<00:03:31.519> from<00:03:31.760> all<00:03:31.920> different

know with people from all different

know with people from all different colors<00:03:32.480> there

colors there

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um and then growing up and getting jobs

um and then growing up and getting jobs in<00:03:35.599> the<00:03:35.680> city

in the city

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one thing i've seen is to be honest

one thing i've seen is to be honest really<00:03:38.080> like<00:03:39.200> obviously<00:03:39.599> i<00:03:39.680> can<00:03:39.760> only<00:03:39.920> speak

really like obviously i can only speak

really like obviously i can only speak from<00:03:40.319> my<00:03:40.480> background<00:03:40.959> but

from my background but

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people from my class really regardless

people from my class really regardless of<00:03:44.319> what<00:03:44.560> color

of what color

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race religion they are they're not

race religion they are they're not making<00:03:47.360> it<00:03:47.440> into<00:03:47.599> these<00:03:47.760> spaces

making it into these spaces

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that is the biggest thing for me you

that is the biggest thing for me you know<00:03:50.080> because<00:03:50.400> why

know because why

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well for a variety of reasons for a

well for a variety of reasons for a variety<00:03:54.159> of<00:03:54.239> reasons<00:03:54.560> and<00:03:54.720> you<00:03:54.799> know

variety of reasons and you know

variety of reasons and you know it<00:03:55.360> would<00:03:55.439> take<00:03:55.599> a<00:03:55.680> long<00:03:55.840> time<00:03:56.080> to<00:03:56.159> go<00:03:56.319> into

it would take a long time to go into

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that i think the first thing is they're

that i think the first thing is they're not<00:03:58.319> getting<00:03:58.480> into<00:03:58.640> the<00:03:58.720> top<00:03:58.959> universities

not getting into the top universities

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and you know i went to university i

and you know i went to university i studied<00:04:01.840> economics<00:04:02.400> and<00:04:02.560> this<00:04:02.720> is<00:04:02.799> a<00:04:02.879> madness

studied economics and this is a madness

studied economics and this is a madness really<00:04:03.519> because<00:04:03.680> you<00:04:03.760> know<00:04:03.920> economics<00:04:04.400> is<00:04:04.480> the

really because you know economics is the

really because you know economics is the study<00:04:04.959> of

study of

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you know the finances in our society you

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know it's not like physics you know you

know it's not like physics you know you drop<00:04:08.959> a<00:04:09.040> rich<00:04:09.280> person<00:04:09.519> and<00:04:09.599> a<00:04:09.680> poor<00:04:09.840> person<00:04:10.159> out

drop a rich person and a poor person out

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of the window they're going to fall at

of the window they're going to fall at the<00:04:11.519> same<00:04:11.680> speed

the same speed

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but the economy for these people is

but the economy for these people is massively<00:04:14.640> different<00:04:15.120> and<00:04:15.280> yet<00:04:15.439> you<00:04:15.599> go<00:04:15.760> to

massively different and yet you go to

massively different and yet you go to the

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oxford university economics department

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it's 50 professors

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who all of them they've never struggled

who all of them they've never struggled for<00:04:21.359> money<00:04:21.919> wearing<00:04:22.240> capes<00:04:22.720> teaching<00:04:23.040> in

for money wearing capes teaching in

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castles you know what i mean

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these guys don't know what a situation

these guys don't know what a situation situation<00:04:26.880> is<00:04:26.960> like<00:04:27.120> for<00:04:27.280> ordinary<00:04:27.680> people

situation is like for ordinary people

situation is like for ordinary people so<00:04:28.479> for<00:04:28.639> me<00:04:28.880> to<00:04:29.040> be<00:04:29.120> honest<00:04:29.440> and<00:04:29.600> you<00:04:29.680> know<00:04:30.080> you

so for me to be honest and you know you

so for me to be honest and you know you can<00:04:30.400> ask<00:04:30.639> people<00:04:30.880> from<00:04:31.199> different<00:04:31.520> ethnic

can ask people from different ethnic

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backgrounds for me i feel that

backgrounds for me i feel that regardless<00:04:33.680> of<00:04:33.840> ethnic<00:04:34.080> background<00:04:34.400> people

regardless of ethnic background people

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from where i'm from and the place where

from where i'm from and the place where i'm<00:04:36.080> from<00:04:36.240> has<00:04:36.479> people<00:04:36.639> from<00:04:36.800> a<00:04:36.800> lot<00:04:36.960> of

i'm from has people from a lot of

i'm from has people from a lot of different<00:04:37.199> ethnic<00:04:37.440> backgrounds

different ethnic backgrounds

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none of us are making it you know we

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need to get more people from all

need to get more people from all different

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colors from the or from the ordinary

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class into these places

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what makes someone because this all

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started actually not just because of

started actually not just because of these<00:04:50.160> stories<00:04:50.639> but

these stories but

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but someone was asking about the working

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class presenter line up here on tour

class presenter line up here on tour radio<00:04:55.680> um

radio um

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i was saying well i'm probably working

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class and that came from where i felt

class and that came from where i felt like<00:05:00.960> i'd<00:05:01.120> come<00:05:01.360> from

like i'd come from

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with my parents and my parents being you

with my parents and my parents being you know<00:05:03.840> my<00:05:04.080> son<00:05:04.240> of<00:05:04.320> an<00:05:04.479> immigrant<00:05:04.960> and

know my son of an immigrant and

know my son of an immigrant and you<00:05:05.600> know<00:05:05.840> not<00:05:06.000> being<00:05:06.880> uh<00:05:07.600> educated<00:05:08.160> into

you know not being uh educated into

you know not being uh educated into further<00:05:08.639> education<00:05:09.039> my<00:05:09.199> dad<00:05:09.360> leaving<00:05:09.680> school

further education my dad leaving school

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at a very young age um but people say no

at a very young age um but people say no you're<00:05:13.600> not<00:05:13.840> working<00:05:14.240> class<00:05:14.639> because<00:05:14.960> of

you're not working class because of

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where you are in your life so how do you

where you are in your life so how do you equate

equate

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whether someone is working class what

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actually makes you work in class yeah i

actually makes you work in class yeah i mean<00:05:24.240> this<00:05:24.320> is<00:05:24.400> a<00:05:24.479> question<00:05:24.720> i<00:05:24.800> get<00:05:24.960> all<00:05:25.039> the

mean this is a question i get all the

mean this is a question i get all the time<00:05:25.360> you<00:05:25.440> know<00:05:25.600> because

time you know because

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you know like yourself you know i feel

you know like yourself you know i feel that<00:05:28.160> i<00:05:28.240> come<00:05:28.400> from<00:05:28.560> working<00:05:28.800> class

that i come from working class

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backgrounds you know we were poor

backgrounds you know we were poor growing<00:05:30.320> up<00:05:30.400> you<00:05:30.479> know

growing up you know

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i was living in a crowded house in a

i was living in a crowded house in a small

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a bunk within a small room next to the

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railway you know i felt poor growing up

railway you know i felt poor growing up and<00:05:37.199> i<00:05:37.280> felt<00:05:37.440> like<00:05:37.600> i<00:05:37.680> didn't<00:05:37.919> have<00:05:38.080> much<00:05:38.720> but

and i felt like i didn't have much but

and i felt like i didn't have much but i've<00:05:39.440> worked<00:05:39.680> in<00:05:39.759> the<00:05:39.840> city<00:05:40.080> and<00:05:40.240> i've<00:05:40.320> made<00:05:40.479> a

i've worked in the city and i've made a

i've worked in the city and i've made a lot<00:05:40.639> of<00:05:40.720> money<00:05:40.960> and<00:05:41.039> i'm<00:05:41.120> not<00:05:41.280> pouring<00:05:41.520> out<00:05:41.680> and

lot of money and i'm not pouring out and

lot of money and i'm not pouring out and sometimes<00:05:42.080> people<00:05:42.320> turn<00:05:42.479> around<00:05:42.639> to<00:05:42.800> me<00:05:42.960> and

sometimes people turn around to me and

sometimes people turn around to me and they<00:05:43.120> say<00:05:43.280> you're<00:05:43.440> not<00:05:43.600> working<00:05:43.919> class

they say you're not working class

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but for me you know it's like i said

but for me you know it's like i said before<00:05:47.440> it's<00:05:47.600> that<00:05:47.759> question<00:05:48.000> you<00:05:48.080> know<00:05:48.320> have

before it's that question you know have

before it's that question you know have you<00:05:48.560> been<00:05:48.720> in<00:05:48.880> a<00:05:48.960> situation<00:05:49.360> where<00:05:49.520> you've

you been in a situation where you've

you been in a situation where you've looked<00:05:49.919> at<00:05:50.000> yourself<00:05:50.320> and<00:05:50.400> said<00:05:50.840> look<00:05:51.919> i'm

looked at yourself and said look i'm

looked at yourself and said look i'm hanging<00:05:52.479> on<00:05:52.560> here<00:05:52.880> and<00:05:53.039> if<00:05:53.199> i<00:05:53.360> slip

hanging on here and if i slip

hanging on here and if i slip i'm<00:05:54.240> going<00:05:54.320> to<00:05:54.400> fall<00:05:54.560> all<00:05:54.639> the<00:05:54.720> way<00:05:54.880> to<00:05:54.960> the

i'm going to fall all the way to the

i'm going to fall all the way to the bottom<00:05:55.600> you<00:05:55.759> know<00:05:55.840> what<00:05:55.919> i<00:05:56.000> mean<00:05:56.479> and

bottom you know what i mean and

bottom you know what i mean and some<00:05:57.440> people<00:05:57.759> knew<00:05:57.919> that<00:05:58.080> when<00:05:58.240> there<00:05:58.319> was<00:05:58.479> a

some people knew that when there was a

some people knew that when there was a kid<00:05:59.039> and<00:05:59.280> they<00:05:59.440> made<00:05:59.680> money<00:05:59.840> and<00:05:59.919> now<00:06:00.080> they're

kid and they made money and now they're

kid and they made money and now they're secure

secure

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but the fact is people know how it feels

but the fact is people know how it feels to<00:06:03.840> not<00:06:04.000> have<00:06:04.160> security<00:06:04.720> to<00:06:04.880> not<00:06:05.039> have

to not have security to not have

to not have security to not have somebody's<00:06:05.600> going<00:06:05.680> to<00:06:05.759> catch<00:06:06.000> you<00:06:06.080> if<00:06:06.240> you

somebody's going to catch you if you

somebody's going to catch you if you fall

fall

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and increasingly now more and more

and increasingly now more and more people<00:06:09.120> are<00:06:09.199> in<00:06:09.360> that<00:06:09.440> situation<00:06:10.000> where

people are in that situation where

people are in that situation where they're<00:06:10.400> thinking

they're thinking

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no matter how hard i work am i ever

no matter how hard i work am i ever going<00:06:13.280> to<00:06:13.360> get<00:06:13.520> a<00:06:13.600> house<00:06:14.080> you<00:06:14.240> know

going to get a house you know

going to get a house you know and<00:06:14.720> i<00:06:14.800> felt<00:06:14.960> like<00:06:15.120> that<00:06:15.199> when<00:06:15.360> i<00:06:15.440> was<00:06:15.520> a<00:06:15.600> kid

and i felt like that when i was a kid

and i felt like that when i was a kid and<00:06:15.919> you<00:06:16.080> know<00:06:16.240> i<00:06:16.319> know<00:06:16.479> that<00:06:16.639> i'm<00:06:16.720> lucky<00:06:16.960> i

and you know i know that i'm lucky i

and you know i know that i'm lucky i know<00:06:17.120> that<00:06:17.280> i'm<00:06:17.360> blessed<00:06:17.600> and<00:06:17.759> i'm<00:06:17.840> thankful

know that i'm blessed and i'm thankful

know that i'm blessed and i'm thankful for<00:06:18.319> everything<00:06:18.560> that<00:06:18.720> i've<00:06:18.800> made

for everything that i've made

for everything that i've made but<00:06:19.440> the<00:06:19.600> truth<00:06:19.919> is<00:06:20.639> i've<00:06:20.880> seen<00:06:21.039> both<00:06:21.199> sides<00:06:21.440> of

but the truth is i've seen both sides of

but the truth is i've seen both sides of the<00:06:21.600> queen<00:06:22.080> i<00:06:22.240> know<00:06:22.400> that

the queen i know that

the queen i know that ordinary<00:06:23.440> people<00:06:24.400> they're<00:06:24.560> looking<00:06:24.800> at

ordinary people they're looking at

ordinary people they're looking at themselves<00:06:25.280> and<00:06:25.360> they're<00:06:25.440> thinking

themselves and they're thinking

themselves and they're thinking do<00:06:26.400> i<00:06:26.479> have<00:06:26.560> a<00:06:26.639> chance<00:06:26.880> to<00:06:26.960> even<00:06:27.120> have<00:06:27.280> a<00:06:27.360> family

do i have a chance to even have a family

do i have a chance to even have a family to<00:06:27.759> have<00:06:27.840> a<00:06:27.919> house<00:06:28.639> and<00:06:28.800> then<00:06:28.960> there's<00:06:29.199> other

to have a house and then there's other

to have a house and then there's other people

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their parents will just buy them on when

their parents will just buy them on when they<00:06:31.520> turn<00:06:31.759> 21<00:06:32.160> you<00:06:32.240> know<00:06:32.720> so

they turn 21 you know so

they turn 21 you know so for<00:06:33.759> me<00:06:34.319> and<00:06:34.560> obviously<00:06:34.800> i'm<00:06:34.880> an<00:06:35.039> economist<00:06:35.360> so

for me and obviously i'm an economist so

for me and obviously i'm an economist so i'm<00:06:35.680> going<00:06:35.759> to<00:06:35.840> say<00:06:36.000> this

i'm going to say this

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it's about that question of do you have

it's about that question of do you have security<00:06:39.600> do<00:06:39.759> you<00:06:39.840> have<00:06:40.000> that<00:06:40.160> chance

security do you have that chance

security do you have that chance and<00:06:41.360> do<00:06:41.520> you<00:06:41.680> know<00:06:41.840> that<00:06:42.000> you're<00:06:42.080> going<00:06:42.240> to<00:06:42.319> be

and do you know that you're going to be

and do you know that you're going to be safe<00:06:43.280> and<00:06:43.520> there's<00:06:43.759> a<00:06:43.840> lot<00:06:43.919> of<00:06:44.000> people<00:06:44.240> out

safe and there's a lot of people out

safe and there's a lot of people out there

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they don't know if they're going to be

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safe you know that's why i'm i'm out

safe you know that's why i'm i'm out here<00:06:48.160> trying<00:06:48.400> to

here trying to

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give economic advice to ordinary people

give economic advice to ordinary people on<00:06:50.319> my<00:06:50.560> socials<00:06:50.960> and<00:06:51.120> stuff<00:06:51.360> because

on my socials and stuff because

on my socials and stuff because i<00:06:52.240> know<00:06:52.400> how<00:06:52.479> difficult<00:06:52.800> is<00:06:52.880> for<00:06:53.039> ordinary

i know how difficult is for ordinary

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people and for me i think that's what

people and for me i think that's what makes<00:06:54.560> a<00:06:54.639> difference

makes a difference

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it's really interesting to talk to you

it's really interesting to talk to you we<00:06:57.440> must<00:06:57.599> get<00:06:57.680> you<00:06:57.840> back<00:06:58.000> on<00:06:58.160> some<00:06:58.400> time<00:06:58.639> when

we must get you back on some time when

we must get you back on some time when time<00:06:59.440> is<00:06:59.520> not<00:06:59.759> against<00:07:00.160> us<00:07:00.319> because<00:07:00.639> i<00:07:00.800> found

time is not against us because i found

time is not against us because i found this<00:07:01.599> this<00:07:01.919> absolutely<00:07:02.560> fascinating<00:07:03.280> but

this this absolutely fascinating but

this this absolutely fascinating but gary<00:07:03.680> stevenson<00:07:04.160> in<00:07:04.240> the<00:07:04.319> meantime<00:07:04.800> really

gary stevenson in the meantime really

gary stevenson in the meantime really appreciate<00:07:05.520> you

appreciate you

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taking the time to talk to us tonight

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here on talk radio do you agree with

here on talk radio do you agree with what<00:07:09.680> gary's<00:07:10.000> got<00:07:10.160> to<00:07:10.240> say<00:07:10.400> about<00:07:10.720> what<00:07:11.039> makes

what gary's got to say about what makes

what gary's got to say about what makes you

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work in class and is it about that

work in class and is it about that safety<00:07:14.800> net<00:07:15.039> that<00:07:15.280> security<00:07:15.919> net<00:07:16.160> is<00:07:16.319> it<00:07:16.400> about

safety net that security net is it about

safety net that security net is it about where<00:07:16.800> you<00:07:16.960> come<00:07:17.199> from<00:07:17.440> from<00:07:17.599> your<00:07:17.840> parents

where you come from from your parents

where you come from from your parents are<00:07:18.720> you<00:07:19.039> always<00:07:19.680> working<00:07:20.080> class<00:07:20.639> even<00:07:20.880> if

are you always working class even if

are you always working class even if you've<00:07:21.199> got<00:07:21.520> money

you've got money

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you've just heard from gary he says he's

you've just heard from gary he says he's made<00:07:23.840> a<00:07:23.919> lot<00:07:24.080> of<00:07:24.160> money<00:07:24.400> in<00:07:24.560> his<00:07:24.720> life

made a lot of money in his life

made a lot of money in his life but<00:07:25.840> he<00:07:26.000> still<00:07:26.160> considers<00:07:26.639> himself<00:07:26.960> working

but he still considers himself working

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class zero three double four four double

class zero three double four four double nine<00:07:29.840> one<00:07:30.080> thousand<00:07:30.479> we'll<00:07:30.639> explore<00:07:31.120> this

nine one thousand we'll explore this

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a little bit more coming up in the next

a little bit more coming up in the next hour

hour

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and we'll also take some more of your

and we'll also take some more of your calls<00:07:36.639> about<00:07:36.880> the<00:07:37.199> uh<00:07:37.759> well<00:07:38.000> just<00:07:38.240> the

calls about the uh well just the

calls about the uh well just the the<00:07:38.880> absolute<00:07:39.280> frustration<00:07:39.840> about<00:07:40.080> no<00:07:40.240> road

the absolute frustration about no road

the absolute frustration about no road map<00:07:40.720> out<00:07:40.800> a<00:07:40.880> lockdown