I guess what's made it hard especially  over the last sort of six months is  

that I've been working basically  full-time writing this book  

and I suppose to people watching the  channel don't know that so I've had to  

kind of fit the YouTube in around the book um  and at the same time as I've been doing that  

the YouTube has really grown a lot  so first thing is it's been really  

it's been really great to see the YouTube  grow and I'll tell you why because

as you know I've been betting on like gradual  accelerating deterioration of the economy for  

a long time right and this is something that I've  had with me like for ages like this knowledge that  

the economy will get worse and worse and  um I first realised that as part of my job  

and I guess it's a weird situation to be  in like your job is to put on the economy  

being bad and you bet on it and the economy is  bad and then you get you make a lot of money  

and then you year after year watch the economy  get worse and worse and worse and my situation  

was strange right because I was able to make a  lot of money by understanding the economy was bad

and then I quit doing that and I wanted to stop  the economy from being bad and it was almost like  

impossible to do it so you can go and you  can work for a bank and you can get paid  

more than a million pounds a year to bet on  the economy being bad but if you want to  

work for that government for free you can't  if you want to walk into the universities and  

talk to the academics and be like listen  can we talk about why the economy is bad  

they've got no interest right and it's it's

I I it's quite amazing right I think  the world we live in is quite amazing  

that somebody like me can get paid you know when I was in my mid-20s a million pound a year to bet  

on the economy being bad but I cannot do anything  to stop the economy from being bad even for free  

it's weird it's crazy right it's crazy you would  think that somebody who's worth a million pound a  

year to the banks should be worth employing  for free by the government or by the media  

um and yet and of course parts of the media have  been supportive you know like Laurie Macfarlane at 

Open Democracy printed my first article um although  to be honest who's been supportive beyond that in the 

media I mean we have had some support oh the guys  at Novara have been amazing have been really  

supportive and they've pushed us a lot like we're  really grateful for the support they've given us  

um but you know they're not the mainstream  media right so it's is difficult

when you know something's happening and you  can make a ton of money knowing that it's 

happening but you can't do anything to stop it, you can't do anything to stop it and I've  

wanted to see that for ages and I guess  what the YouTube has finally given me is

an outlet to try and do something that is  positive and I know like so far you know  

our influence on actual policy has been limited  and things have been getting worse and worse and  

worse um you know we're trying to become  more influential in the labour party and  

in the media and in sort of in the political  left and we have our small amount of influence  

um but at least what I can do now is I can explain  to people what's happening and I can try and build  

a platform such that we can start pushing for like policy change so it's been amazing to like you  

know after a long long time of knowing that things  will get worse and not being able to stop it I feel 

like now I have some small power to support  people and also a platform on which to build  

bigger power um but I guess what  comes with that is the difficulty of  

now that you know you can maybe do something  someday then you have to start thinking a lot more  

strategically of like okay well maybe you have  a chance now to do something like when I first  

started doing this when I first started writing  articles we first made our video it was like we  

have to say something you know you just have to  say something so let's try and say something but  

now we have a voice and the voice is growing now  it's like well you have an obligation to start to  

think a little bit strategically about how can you  build that with how can you build that power such  

you can actually make a difference down the line  and then adds another level of pressure on and um  

I know because we get a ton of messages  that there are people out there kind of  

hoping that we make we manage to make this  work you know you know I get emails from  

people sending me their CV like we want to  support, we want to work and I really really  

appreciate that at the same time you see  that and it makes you realise like wow like  

people are counting on us to try and make a  difference down the line so it becomes like  

it becomes stressful and it becomes hard  especially when you consider like so I never  

was a writer but the last 9 months I've been throwing  myself into writing this book because I think that  

well to be honest at first when I first started  considered writing the book it wasn't the idea was  

like this could be a real springboard to use my  personal story which I've tried to avoid using  

too much to really like give us a much bigger  platform for the YouTube, for the Instagram,   

for all of the social media platforms to push this  message but as I've started writing it like I've  

really sort of fallen in love with the process  of writing and I really want to write something  

that is that has some beauty and is powerful  and it's emotional and it's been emotional for  

me to read and to write but I've been putting  so much of my emotional energy into that book  

that then it's hard at the same time to  to bring emotion to the YouTube as well  

so I think I guess obviously the guys  watching the YouTube they don't know that like  

day after day every single day I'm writing writing  writing they don't realise like I've got that on  

the side as well and people sending messages that  you should do this, you should do that, they don't  

realise how busy I am you know what I mean um but yeah it's difficult it's difficult and  

um on the subject of it being difficult one  thing I wanted to bring up was again answering  

a question that like I get sometimes  which is you know you're a rich guy  

why do you care if it's difficult and we were  talking about this earlier right and I think  

the first thing is I think people okay and this  is partially my fault I think sometimes people  

sometimes overestimate how rich I am, they think  I'm Elon Musk or something you know I'm a rich  

guy I made a lotta money in the city but I quit my job  a long time ago I don't have a job I don't have a  

regular income so I'm living off of the money  that I saved I don't have enough money to like  

build a massive social media build a political  party like sometimes people say we should do but  

I think the second thing which I think is  quite interesting is this question of like  

if you are rich should you care if you are  rich should you care if people are poor and  

you know we were talking about this earlier  and I was saying so people who've watched  

this from the start will know I don't come from  a rich background right, I don't come from a  

rich family, I don't come from a rich area and  my family and the people I grew up with and  

not just that by the people I live my life with in  this city, the people I meet, my friends are not  

rich they're not from rich backgrounds right so  they live in this world that we've created now  

which is difficult to live in and especially  when you look what's happened the last  

couple of years right so we're in London  London rents have gone mental right so now  

it's this city is difficult to live in now it's  difficult to live in and I'm not going to name  

names but a lot of people very close to me are just struggling just to get by and  

when people say like you're rich why should you  care I think it's easy to say that right but like

does that mean that I don't give a s*** about  my closest friends and family you know what I mean  

or just the people that I live my whole life  with in the city you know I mean like I think  

the thing which one of the things which most  upsets me about the inequality that we live in  

is I think that we are now more and more  creating a society whereas an individual  

your only options in life are to be poor or to be  separated from humanity that is the reality of a  

vastly unequal society you because most people  are poor right and you know increasingly we're  

seeing more and more people which is it's not  just relative poverty you know we're talking  

about people struggling to pay the bills to pay  the rent right and the more unequal society gets  

the more that's your choice right, you're either with the majority and you're poor or you're secure but  

you're separated from society and I think  increasingly we're living in a world where  

everyone is and has to be to some degree one of  those things you know what I mean like I was poor  

growing up and now I'm financially secure but  what that means is I'm I'm separate from other  

people because other people are struggling  more and more see what I'm saying and um

that's the world that we live in and that's the  world that we are creating and it's and I feel  

the stress of just the difficulty  of simple basic questions like  

where am I gonna, where am I gonna live, where am I gonna live? next month where am I gonna live?

what's going to happen if my landlord puts the rent up? what's gonna happen if my landlord  

kicks me out, where am I going to live? these questions simple questions like am I going  

to be able to afford to have a family? these  questions you know these are questions which  

you know no matter if I can afford those things  you know what am I going to do am I going to pay  

for all my friends and family to have a family and  even if I was to do that right which I couldn't  

afford to do right even if I was to do that even  if I was to pay for like all of my family and my  

10 closest friends have their families right then  what happens when I go out the door and I walk  

down the high street it's still full of these  people who are struggling and I think it's it's  

I think it's I understand it right because you  know I was poor and I think when you are poor  

when I was poor, you have this idea in your head  and I had this idea in my head, if I had money  

everything would be fine and that's the idea I had  right and this is in some senses this is the story  

of my life that I made that money and I always  thought if you make the money you'll be fine and  

I wasn't fine because you still live in this world  with the people who are in this world you know I  

mean you're still living with this world of you know like your closest friends are insecure you know 

what I mean? the girls that I date you know what I  mean they're insecure you know and they have this  

stress you know I mean and the young people  around me like they live in nowadays like if  

you're young there's two types of jobs right, a job  that you can't pay the bills and a job where you  

you have no time to sleep you know what I mean  those are the two types of jobs young people do  

and I live in the world full of young people that  either can't eat or can't sleep you know what I  

mean and is that is that a good world to live  in and I see it getting worse and worse so um  

you know that is that is the thing that I see  and every day I'm aware that I don't have those  

struggles you know like of paying the bills  but I still live in this world so it's sort of  

yeah it's it's difficult and I'm not you know  I'm not asking people to play the violins for  

me I know it's difficult but it is um it's hard  sometimes it's hard knowing that you have a voice  

and wondering how to grow, and like now we're at  the kind of point with the with the channel where  

I can't read them I can't read the messages  anymore you know for a long time it was like  

I'll reply to every message and then it was like  I don't reply to every message but I read every  

message you know and now it's like I can't even  read every message and it's like then and now  

I'm starting to think like if it's going to grow  bigger and we want it to grow bigger and I've got  

plans to make it grow bigger like up until now  like I haven't made any money from the YouTube  

you know what I mean and that's fine I don't  expect to make any money from the YouTube but  

it's getting to the point now but we're gonna  need support we're gonna need I'm gonna I'm  

gonna need support, I'm gonna need people  there to be able to read the messages for  

me and let me know what's going on and look out  for opportunities we can do so that I can focus  

on writing and making the videos you know what  I mean and then I need to think about how we're  

going to do that how we're going to finance that  how is it going to grow so yeah it's a lot it's an

you know I'm super happy I'm super excited but  then at the same time I'm also thinking like

so there are probably some people that will  say and I see them saying oh he's doing this  

because he wants to just get that he wants to  get known he wants to get like famous he wants  

to get celebrity or whatever right so you know  I quit my job in 2014 and I didn't start this  

YouTube channel till 2020, and before that I've  volunteered at think-tanks, I made the website  

I did a two-year Masters at Oxford because and  the truth is all through all of that I knew  

in my heart of hearts that realistically our  best chance at changing policy would be to make  

an online platform pushing, using my story and  my face, pushing it to ordinary people to try  

and build a public platform I always  knew that but I didn't want to do that  

because I didn't want to try and well to be honest  like I wasn't really sure I was comfortable with  

getting famous you know what I mean but now  like when the book comes out next year the  

aim is that, we don't know if it'll work or not but  the aim, is to try to build a big platform you know  

and I need to think like what does that mean for  me? what does that mean for my life? you know like  

because at the moment it's just been me and you  and like for the people that don't know the guy  

that runs the channel you Simran is a friend  of mine from high school we've been friends for  

25 years now um but if it's going to get big then  it's going to need to be more people you know I  

mean it's gonna and it's just gonna be I'm gonna  have to start managing people and it's just like  

there's so much to think about and at the  same time like I'm getting these creative  

opportunities like writing the book like making  the videos but also I need to start thinking about  

the business side of things the financing side  of things and also the messages are coming in  

so it's like basically it's hard and um we I think

it's hard just to find the time because if  we're going to grow then I need to really  

sit down and make a business plan basically  make a financing plan make a plan about like  

who are we going to hire what  are they going to do you know um

but like I don't have the time to do that with  the writing the book with like publicising the  

book but they did in the book with also making  the videos so we'll probably have to stop doing  

the videos at some point so we can make a proper  plan for growth make a proper plan for hiring  

so yeah it's a lot it's a lot to think  about but what I would like to say is that  

I'm super grateful even though I've said  I don't have time to read all the messages  

now and it breaks my heart a little bit  to say that because I would love to read  

all the messages but I'm super grateful for  all the positive messages that we get because  

the bigger the channel grows the more we  get negative messages and as much as I would  

like to be like you know 'I don't care about negative  messages' you read them and you see them and they  

do stick with you but you know we are lucky that  for every 1 negative message there's there's 25-30  

positive messages and you know when I'm walking  out I get stopped in the street and everyone has  

something positive to say so as much as I've  said like I'm not sure about becoming famous  

that is important it's important that we get that  positive stuff because because otherwise it would  

be hard to keep doing this you know what I mean  and I think like people see the channel growing  

and growing and they're like well done it's great  but they don't realise most of my days are in here  

in that room writing the book in here filming  videos in here planning videos like it's very  

it's quite isolating and it's quite it's quite a  lonely work you know what I mean like it's we  

started doing Covid when there was no one around  um so those messages that we get are important  

um because they keep me motivated I'm  sure they keep you motivated as well um

but I think what I would like to say is that  recently I've been thinking more about how  

do we grow it big because I think we do have a  chance to to listen I didn't start this to be  

a guy on YouTube I started this because I want  to reduce inequality and I know that's not easy  

but I think we have a chance to be a part of that  and what I will say for sure 100% sure is you will  

see political change in the next 10-15 years, big  political change, the reason I say that is because  

the speed at which living standards are falling  have fallen in the last 2-3 years it's massive 

and I don't think they'll keep falling at that speed but from here they're going to keep falling 

quickly and people are going to be mad,  people are gonna be mad, people are going to  

be angry, people are going to be scared, people  are going to be insecure and they're going to  

vote for change and in most cases because we're  in a situation where the political mainstream  

is just unable to provide serious change and  I'm not talking about just the UK here this  

is international you know you're going to see  you know there was an election in Finland the  

other day and they voted at the centre-left and  they vote in the center-right those guys are not  

going to improve things, we've got an election  here next year where we're going to vote out the  

conservatives & vote in labour probably realistically  those guys are not going to improve things right  

if people keep voting in centre left,  centre right, centre left, centre right  

and seeing deterioration deterioration they  will vote for change they will vote for change  

and we could get positive change  and we could get negative change  

and we are in a position where if we grow this we  could be one of those people that push ordinary  

people in the direction of positive change better  living standards because I guarantee you right now  

the other side is gonna, I know what they're  gonna do, I know what they're going to do,  

they're going to try and sow division amongst the general public between people who  

own property & people who don't, between the native white people & the immigrants you know 

they're going to try and sow like racial based,  you could see that in the in what's happening now  

you can see that's all over the newspapers  right now in the way that they talk about  

refugees and the way that they mix them in with  economic migrants, this kind of stuff, you can see 

that's going to happen, they're going to try and build more animosity between the older & the young  

they're going to try and build animosity between the North & the South, and it will be the same in 

every country that is the direction that  they're going to push things in and if they win  

then you know you're going to see some really  problematic change in society and at the same time  

the economic situation is going to get worse so  I think that there will be change and I think we  

we can make it positive change you know people  there's a lot of fatalism I see in the messages  

where people say oh it was always that way it's  always that way it's the problem with human nature  

you know what I mean and listen our parents  neither of our parents neither of your parents  

neither of my parents have university degrees right and they were able to buy property, raise families  

it was possible 40-50 years ago so things change,  things change, and our our grandparents and our  

great grandparents were poor, things change things  change in a positive way for our parents right  

and now they're changing a negative way  for our generation & for generations in the  

future and the reason that things change in a  positive way is because people push for it and  

that brings me to my final point that  I want to end this on right which is  

I was out the other day at a friend's birthday  party I think he was 50. he's older than me  

so people know um and I was talking to one of his  nephews and the nephew was like tell me like how  

do I make money trading he watches the channel  right 'how do i make money trading?' and this  

is the thing that we get a lot on the channel how do i make money trading, how do we, and of course okay  

everybody who watches the channel knows um was formerly a very successful professional trader I still trade  

I still make money and we have a few videos about  trading on the channel and the general message  

is don't f***ing trade don't trade because it's  dangerous man it's dangerous it's gambling you  

can lose money and of course people turn around  they're like well you do it you know what I mean  

and you know I was a professional I did because  I was a professional because I was one of the  

best people in the world at it, I think I still  am one of the best people in the world at it

so I trade you know you know this is why why does  Lionel Messi play football because he's damn good  

you know what I mean like I trade because this is  my profession this is my skill this is what I've  

trained 20 years for you know what I mean um and  what I try and tell him it's like I tried to say you

know he, I don't know how old he was he could  have been 18-19 and what I said to him listen

the only way for you to protect yourself  your family your community your future  

is to learn how to politically engage with  your friends in your wider community because

you cannot beat the rich as individuals you  cannot but with we've created society that  

trains our young people into like hustle for you  hustle for you hustle for you hustle for you and  

this is the perfect mindset to completely  enable the rich to take everything because  

let's say like I'm a rich guy and I'm the  strongest guy in the room I'm 10 times  

as stronger as anyone else in the room  and I walk into a room full of a thousand

people and my plan is to take all the assets of everyone in that room what do I want  

I want these guys to fight me one at a time right  that's it if these guys fight me one at a time  

I'll be every single one of them one at a time  and if these guys are unable to politically unite  

then they will lose everything they will lose  everything that is and it's so I think we we  

have in a sense a cultural problem in our society  and and I understand it because I was the same  

when I was younger when I was poor myself I was  out to look after me you know and because no one  

else was looking after me I understand it but if  people in poor and ordinary financial situations  

are not able to look beyond their front  garden and towards their wider community  

and say listen we need to get together and  start acting as a group then every single one  

of them individually will lose what they have over  time so it is a question of can we unite, can we  

politically you know and there's people have been  saying you know we need to put a call to action in the

videos and there was a period where we were doing  that, do you remember what the call to action was  

right it was three things it was three things  right the first thing was understand what's  

happening understand what's happening and you know  the reason that I stopped doing mainstream media  

or I do much less is because I would go on talk  radio I'll go on LBC and I would fight with some  

guy from some right wing think-tank you know what  I mean and yeah sometimes I would win you know and  

then I would I would put down the phone put down a  zoom call and I would be like okay you had a fight  

on the radio who was educated who was educated  the way that we win is by providing ordinary

working class people with an understanding of  the situation the truth of the matter is if things

keep going the way they're going and there is no systemic change then the whole of the bottom  

70-80% will be dispossessed they will lose their  assets they'll fall into poverty if that 70-80%  

understand it they will vote against it and we can  change the situation so number one was understand  

number two was share the message and the reason  I said that is because it is only through building  

communities that we can win, we cannot win as individuals, I cannot win this as an individual you  

know I'm going to try and build as much as I can  but I cannot win this as an individual, none of us can  

we can none, we're not going to beat Rupert Murdoch  you know we're not going to beat the billionaires  

we're never going to be billionaires but together  we can still exert our power but only together   

we can only win together so it's number one educate  yourselves it was number two share the message and  

it was number three push back and I see people  saying how do we push back how do we push back  

but we need to be strong enough we need to be strong  enough we need to be enough of us and we need to  

understand it so we need to build the message we  need to grow it and then when we have it then we  

will push we'll push we'll push through political  means if we can and if it has to be other ways  

then we'll look at other ways but we need to be  strong enough and at the moment the working class  

is is too divided and there are too many people  that are just looking for their own thing and not  

willing to organise beyond that politically and I  understand that and I would never say to anybody  

come support us and don't look after your family  look after your family look after yourself but  

you need to be willing and able to open your  mind to those bigger political possibilities  

um but if we do that we can win and we have to  win and there will be change there will be change  

and positive change has happened before you know  look what happened after the Second World War  

you know for the first time ever we had countries  across Europe also in the United States where  

ordinary working people could get good quality  housing, education, healthcare, food, leisure time  

these things were possible 70 years ago they're  possible now but we're losing them but we won  

them before and we can win them again but we can  only win them together so yeah I would encourage  

everybody watching to support the channel follow  us share us um we're going to be trying to work  

out how to build that it might mean that we need  to take a bit of time out it might need to start  

looking at how we're going to fund it long term  but um we're still here and we'll keep pushing